Liberals Need to Accept Election Results

[kaz]

Well, yes. When you close hundreds of polling places that is what you’re doing; lowering the turnout.

That happened 6 weeks ago. And, as they say, that is a lifetime in Politics. So what do you do? Sit around and bitch about it for at least 4 and probably 8 years? Or do you do something about it? I say do something about it.

You can either move the mountain or you can go to the mountain yourself. We know that the GOP will use every dirty trick in the book to achieve their goals. And while they are in control, the Democrats have shown that they too will take a few pages out of the GOP playbook too. In the meantime, when they are not in control…perhaps it would behoove the Democrats to stop bitching about “not being able to get to the polls” and just show the fuck up and vote???? Just throwing that out there. If the Democrats are dependent upon a group of people who are so inept that they don’t want to go to the polls and vote, don’t want to acquire the proper ID to vote, or can’t “risk” coming that close to the authorities…they deserve to lose.

The good news for the party that is out of power is that the arts community is usually at odds with whomever is in control. You start seeing movies, television, installations, demonstrations, murals, music, poetry, and discussions at odds with the status quo. Once that starts, the “soft” supporters of the status quo begin to be coopted from the herd and you have the standard withering of the Congress followed by the supplanting of the Party that occupies the oval. Only in rare instances does the Party in power not experience the cyclical abandonment. This is why the discussion about the “bench” is silly. The GOP supposedly had a “deep bench” for 2016 and not one of them became the nominee. Leaders will emerge if you are the Democrats. If you’re in the GOP, your wagon is hitched to Donald Trump for 8 years (more than likely). Good luck with that.

The Democrats DID show up and vote:

Thousands of those votes weren't counted.

How crosscheck helped Trump.

in Michigan, the Crosscheck purge list eliminated 449,922 voters from the rolls, while Trump claimed victory in that state by just 13,107 votes. In Arizona, the Trump victory margin was 85,257 votes, while a total of 270,824 voters were eliminated by Crosscheck. The Trump victory margin in North Carolina was 177,008, while the Crosscheck purge list accounted for 589,393 voters knocked off the rolls.

Palast notes that “the electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters … including ‘caging,’ ‘purging,’ blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to ‘provisional’ ballots that will never be counted.”

Well, I’d tell you what I tell everyone who thinks there was malfeasance. If you have a case, airing it here does nothing. Take it to federal court.

Airing it here and anywhere else I can will inevitably garner support to do just that. You can bet yo' sweet arse on that!

I'm for you doing it. The more idiotic and butt hurt you sound, the less anyone listens to you

I don't care if RW thieves listen to me or not. My message is intended for those who voted AGAINST TRUMP.

Cool, so thanks for confirming I'm in the right place. I'm not an RW and I voted against Trump. Now what were you saying, Moon Bat?

 

[hadit]

Sure, let's conduct a very thorough audit on EVERY precinct in EVERY state and EVERY registered vote. That's the fastest way to get democrats to block it.

Every state where a complaint backed by an appropriate number of signatures would suffice. Keep in mind the precedent already set in North Carolina.

The powers that be will get behind only those efforts they are sure will uncover only corruption embarrassing to the opposition. You can try, but you're not going to get the kind of thorough audit that might actually make a difference.

I hope you are wrong because, if not, Democracy was murdered on Nov 8 2016 and may never be resurrected.

Nov 8? Corruption's been around a lot longer than that. Basically, it's at equilibrium so they kind of balance each other out. Democracy is still alive and well, although not when it comes to things like gay marriage, then the popular vote can go stuff itself.

But this year the corruption included interference by a foreign entity in addition to GOP domestic criminal activity. I've never seen it this bad and I have been around for a while.

In every election there are attempts to corrupt the results. I have yet to see any credible attempts to identify, much less quantify, any real interference by an outside entity. There's a lot of certainty that they "did something", but very little of substance saying what that was and what effect it had. I mean, it's not like what we do, when we use our military to topple a government so we can install one we like better.

 

[kaz]

Well, I’d tell you what I tell everyone who thinks there was malfeasance. If you have a case, airing it here does nothing. Take it to federal court.

Airing it here and anywhere else I can will inevitably garner support to do just that. You can bet yo' sweet arse on that!

Sure, let's conduct a very thorough audit on EVERY precinct in EVERY state and EVERY registered vote. That's the fastest way to get democrats to block it.

Every state where a complaint backed by an appropriate number of signatures would suffice. Keep in mind the precedent already set in North Carolina.

The powers that be will get behind only those efforts they are sure will uncover only corruption embarrassing to the opposition. You can try, but you're not going to get the kind of thorough audit that might actually make a difference.

I hope you are wrong because, if not, Democracy was murdered on Nov 8 2016 and may never be resurrected.

Tell me the truth, the moon landing was faked, we never went there, right? You seem like someone who would be in the know for things like that. Also, the world is actually controlled by an international Zionist mafia, isn't it? I always suspected that

 

[kaz]

Every state where a complaint backed by an appropriate number of signatures would suffice. Keep in mind the precedent already set in North Carolina.

The powers that be will get behind only those efforts they are sure will uncover only corruption embarrassing to the opposition. You can try, but you're not going to get the kind of thorough audit that might actually make a difference.

I hope you are wrong because, if not, Democracy was murdered on Nov 8 2016 and may never be resurrected.

Nov 8? Corruption's been around a lot longer than that. Basically, it's at equilibrium so they kind of balance each other out. Democracy is still alive and well, although not when it comes to things like gay marriage, then the popular vote can go stuff itself.

But this year the corruption included interference by a foreign entity in addition to GOP domestic criminal activity. I've never seen it this bad and I have been around for a while.

In every election there are attempts to corrupt the results. I have yet to see any credible attempts to identify, much less quantify, any real interference by an outside entity. There's a lot of certainty that they "did something", but very little of substance saying what that was and what effect it had. I mean, it's not like what we do, when we use our military to topple a government so we can install one we like better.

JQ just told you it was stolen, isn't that enough for you!

Hmm ... me either ...

 

[hadit]

The powers that be will get behind only those efforts they are sure will uncover only corruption embarrassing to the opposition. You can try, but you're not going to get the kind of thorough audit that might actually make a difference.

I hope you are wrong because, if not, Democracy was murdered on Nov 8 2016 and may never be resurrected.

Nov 8? Corruption's been around a lot longer than that. Basically, it's at equilibrium so they kind of balance each other out. Democracy is still alive and well, although not when it comes to things like gay marriage, then the popular vote can go stuff itself.

But this year the corruption included interference by a foreign entity in addition to GOP domestic criminal activity. I've never seen it this bad and I have been around for a while.

In every election there are attempts to corrupt the results. I have yet to see any credible attempts to identify, much less quantify, any real interference by an outside entity. There's a lot of certainty that they "did something", but very little of substance saying what that was and what effect it had. I mean, it's not like what we do, when we use our military to topple a government so we can install one we like better.

JQ just told you it was stolen, isn't that enough for you!

Hmm ... me either ...

I know, I'm a troublemaker.

 

[candycorn]

Trump won. Time to get over it and work to make sure that he cannot do too much damage.

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

Well, yes. When you close hundreds of polling places that is what you’re doing; lowering the turnout.

That happened 6 weeks ago. And, as they say, that is a lifetime in Politics. So what do you do? Sit around and bitch about it for at least 4 and probably 8 years? Or do you do something about it? I say do something about it.

You can either move the mountain or you can go to the mountain yourself. We know that the GOP will use every dirty trick in the book to achieve their goals. And while they are in control, the Democrats have shown that they too will take a few pages out of the GOP playbook too. In the meantime, when they are not in control…perhaps it would behoove the Democrats to stop bitching about “not being able to get to the polls” and just show the fuck up and vote???? Just throwing that out there. If the Democrats are dependent upon a group of people who are so inept that they don’t want to go to the polls and vote, don’t want to acquire the proper ID to vote, or can’t “risk” coming that close to the authorities…they deserve to lose.

The good news for the party that is out of power is that the arts community is usually at odds with whomever is in control. You start seeing movies, television, installations, demonstrations, murals, music, poetry, and discussions at odds with the status quo. Once that starts, the “soft” supporters of the status quo begin to be coopted from the herd and you have the standard withering of the Congress followed by the supplanting of the Party that occupies the oval. Only in rare instances does the Party in power not experience the cyclical abandonment. This is why the discussion about the “bench” is silly. The GOP supposedly had a “deep bench” for 2016 and not one of them became the nominee. Leaders will emerge if you are the Democrats. If you’re in the GOP, your wagon is hitched to Donald Trump for 8 years (more than likely). Good luck with that.

The Democrats DID show up and vote:

Thousands of those votes weren't counted.

How crosscheck helped Trump.

in Michigan, the Crosscheck purge list eliminated 449,922 voters from the rolls, while Trump claimed victory in that state by just 13,107 votes. In Arizona, the Trump victory margin was 85,257 votes, while a total of 270,824 voters were eliminated by Crosscheck. The Trump victory margin in North Carolina was 177,008, while the Crosscheck purge list accounted for 589,393 voters knocked off the rolls.

Palast notes that “the electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters … including ‘caging,’ ‘purging,’ blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to ‘provisional’ ballots that will never be counted.”

Well, I’d tell you what I tell everyone who thinks there was malfeasance. If you have a case, airing it here does nothing. Take it to federal court.

Airing it here and anywhere else I can will inevitably garner support to do just that. You can bet yo' sweet arse on that!

Stephen Covey’s book on habits would serve you well.

 

[basquebromance]

Blaming the Russians for losing the election is like blaming the hotel room for getting caught with a prostitute.

 

[Dschrute3]

It would be Un-Patriotic not to. That's what Democrats said of Trump for possibly questioning election results. Democrats should abide by their own standards. Time to move on.

 

[JQPublic1]

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

Well, yes. When you close hundreds of polling places that is what you’re doing; lowering the turnout.

That happened 6 weeks ago. And, as they say, that is a lifetime in Politics. So what do you do? Sit around and bitch about it for at least 4 and probably 8 years? Or do you do something about it? I say do something about it.

You can either move the mountain or you can go to the mountain yourself. We know that the GOP will use every dirty trick in the book to achieve their goals. And while they are in control, the Democrats have shown that they too will take a few pages out of the GOP playbook too. In the meantime, when they are not in control…perhaps it would behoove the Democrats to stop bitching about “not being able to get to the polls” and just show the fuck up and vote???? Just throwing that out there. If the Democrats are dependent upon a group of people who are so inept that they don’t want to go to the polls and vote, don’t want to acquire the proper ID to vote, or can’t “risk” coming that close to the authorities…they deserve to lose.

The good news for the party that is out of power is that the arts community is usually at odds with whomever is in control. You start seeing movies, television, installations, demonstrations, murals, music, poetry, and discussions at odds with the status quo. Once that starts, the “soft” supporters of the status quo begin to be coopted from the herd and you have the standard withering of the Congress followed by the supplanting of the Party that occupies the oval. Only in rare instances does the Party in power not experience the cyclical abandonment. This is why the discussion about the “bench” is silly. The GOP supposedly had a “deep bench” for 2016 and not one of them became the nominee. Leaders will emerge if you are the Democrats. If you’re in the GOP, your wagon is hitched to Donald Trump for 8 years (more than likely). Good luck with that.

The Democrats DID show up and vote:

Thousands of those votes weren't counted.

How crosscheck helped Trump.

in Michigan, the Crosscheck purge list eliminated 449,922 voters from the rolls, while Trump claimed victory in that state by just 13,107 votes. In Arizona, the Trump victory margin was 85,257 votes, while a total of 270,824 voters were eliminated by Crosscheck. The Trump victory margin in North Carolina was 177,008, while the Crosscheck purge list accounted for 589,393 voters knocked off the rolls.

Palast notes that “the electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters … including ‘caging,’ ‘purging,’ blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to ‘provisional’ ballots that will never be counted.”

Well, I’d tell you what I tell everyone who thinks there was malfeasance. If you have a case, airing it here does nothing. Take it to federal court.

Airing it here and anywhere else I can will inevitably garner support to do just that. You can bet yo' sweet arse on that!

Stephen Covey’s book on habits would serve you well.

I am not a NUN, why would i be interested in a book about "habits."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As if that needed to be said!!!

Look, there are 2 separate questions here.

Did Russian hackers (or hackers of any nationality for that matter) try to influence the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. I would be shocked if they didn’t try. I’d be equally shocked if our election officials were so inept that they would allow such a hack to go unreported. While there is some truth to not wanting to reveal that you’ve been breached; there is zero chance that a breach would be kept under wraps.

Second question is this:

Did it influence the outcome of the elections. I supported Ms. Clinton from the word “go” in both 2008 and 2016. I can tell you that if you think the answer is “yes”, you’re wearing blinders.

She lost because Trump ran the better campaign in 2016 and she lost in 2008 because Obama ran a better campaign then too as well. SHE IS A DISAPPOINTING CAMPAIGNER!!!! Some people got it and some people don’t. Whatever the secret sauce is that makes one pull a lever next to her name…she ain’t got it. Further evidence of this all-too-clear-fact are the states that Trump won. He won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Now, if he had won one of these states and lost the EV…someone like me would have said, “Hmm…that’s interesting.” Only because he won all 3 and won the EV do some folks like me (liberals) want to raise questions. To take this stance wounds your credibility. In the first place…One would have to wonder why the hackers spared Virginia—a very contentious state to be sure. Were they feeling generous? Secondly, the states that Mr. Trump did win are historically Blue states with solid governmental infrastructures. Are sensible persons to believe that the elections officials in 3 states have suddenly been retarded to the point where a hack would not be noticed…or reported…by anyone in that hierarchy of the group?

Relax guys. Trump won. Get over it.

Trump won. Time to get over it and work to make sure that he cannot do too much damage.

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

 

[Dschrute3]

As if that needed to be said!!!

Look, there are 2 separate questions here.

Did Russian hackers (or hackers of any nationality for that matter) try to influence the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. I would be shocked if they didn’t try. I’d be equally shocked if our election officials were so inept that they would allow such a hack to go unreported. While there is some truth to not wanting to reveal that you’ve been breached; there is zero chance that a breach would be kept under wraps.

Second question is this:

Did it influence the outcome of the elections. I supported Ms. Clinton from the word “go” in both 2008 and 2016. I can tell you that if you think the answer is “yes”, you’re wearing blinders.

She lost because Trump ran the better campaign in 2016 and she lost in 2008 because Obama ran a better campaign then too as well. SHE IS A DISAPPOINTING CAMPAIGNER!!!! Some people got it and some people don’t. Whatever the secret sauce is that makes one pull a lever next to her name…she ain’t got it. Further evidence of this all-too-clear-fact are the states that Trump won. He won Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Now, if he had won one of these states and lost the EV…someone like me would have said, “Hmm…that’s interesting.” Only because he won all 3 and won the EV do some folks like me (liberals) want to raise questions. To take this stance wounds your credibility. In the first place…One would have to wonder why the hackers spared Virginia—a very contentious state to be sure. Were they feeling generous? Secondly, the states that Mr. Trump did win are historically Blue states with solid governmental infrastructures. Are sensible persons to believe that the elections officials in 3 states have suddenly been retarded to the point where a hack would not be noticed…or reported…by anyone in that hierarchy of the group?

Relax guys. Trump won. Get over it.

Trump won. Time to get over it and work to make sure that he cannot do too much damage.

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

I mean the current President actually advised Illegals to go out and vote for God's sake. He told them there wouldn't be any consequences. And you know what? He was absolutely right. I'm sure millions of Illegals and Felons voted in this last Election. Will they be held accountable? No way. That's just fact.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump won. Time to get over it and work to make sure that he cannot do too much damage.

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

 

[Dschrute3]

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

After Elections are over, there is no further investigating of voter fraud. Most who voted illegally are not held accountable. There may be a case or two of prosecution, but just about all who engaged in voter fraud will never be prosecuted. The resources just aren't there to enforce voting laws.

 

[candycorn]

I am not so sure he DID win. I think there was skulduggery by Trump-bots that literally disenfranchised thousands of Democrat voters. If we don't do anything about it we are sending a signal that vote tampering and suppression is OK. That kind of acquiescence by Democrats could keep the republicans in power indefinitely. We must act now to get vote recounts in those key states and thoroughly investigate all discrepancies. Obama, this is your chance...

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

The difference is that you can objectively tell there are a number of speeders on the freeway.

There is no such objectivity when it comes to voter fraud. For all we know, there was just as much fraud for Trump as there was for any other candidate.

 

[candycorn]

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

After Elections are over, there is no further investigating of voter fraud. All who voted illegally are not held accountable. There may be a case or two of prosecution, but just about all who engaged in voter fraud will never be prosecuted. The resources just aren't there to enforce voting laws.

Gee whiz…we have 30+ GOP governors. You’d think that they would enforce the voting laws in their own states.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He won't go anywhere near that for several reasons:

1. States handle their own voting procedures, not the federal government.
2. If we really dug into the entire voting situation, we would find a lot of things embarrassing to democrats. He wouldn't want that.

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

The difference is that you can objectively tell there are a number of speeders on the freeway.

There is no such objectivity when it comes to voter fraud. For all we know, there was just as much fraud for Trump as there was for any other candidate.

Which is more the reason everybody should be behind it. But Democrats threw the race card in there because they are afraid their voters are too lazy to obtain an ID, or that it would prevent felons from voting. After all, they wouldn't be able to pull hobo's off of train tracks and walk them into a voting place so they could vote Democrat.

 

[Dschrute3]

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

After Elections are over, there is no further investigating of voter fraud. All who voted illegally are not held accountable. There may be a case or two of prosecution, but just about all who engaged in voter fraud will never be prosecuted. The resources just aren't there to enforce voting laws.

Gee whiz…we have 30+ GOP governors. You’d think that they would enforce the voting laws in their own states.

Once elections are over, they rarely go back and seriously investigate voter fraud. Most who engage in voter fraud, are never held accountable. They can't or won't expend the resources investigating thousands of instances of voter fraud. That's just the way it is.

 

[candycorn]

Ah, but when states violate the civil rights or constitutional rights of American citizens who live in said state, the Feds have a duty to step in and investigate. Voter suppression is a criminal act even if the state does it.

I would welcome a "digging" into the the voting situation and so should every living American out there. If we allow this type of thing to go unchecked it will only get worse.
Maintaining confidence in the system is integral to our way of life and is, in fact, the cornerstone of our Democratic Republic. There is no reason to have a general election at all if it can be subverted by trickery and voter suppression.

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

The difference is that you can objectively tell there are a number of speeders on the freeway.

There is no such objectivity when it comes to voter fraud. For all we know, there was just as much fraud for Trump as there was for any other candidate.

Which is more the reason everybody should be behind it. But Democrats threw the race card in there because they are afraid their voters are too lazy to obtain an ID, or that it would prevent felons from voting. After all, they wouldn't be able to pull hobo's off of train tracks and walk them into a voting place so they could vote Democrat.

Link to the story where Democrats pulled hobos off of train tracks to get them to vote from this election.

 

[namvet]

they should but here's a libtard that snapped her cap LMFAO !!

 

[candycorn]

There is no voter suppression.

True. Voter fraud is the problem. If they actually investigated all the illegal votes cast, the numbers would be shocking to Americans. Voter fraud isn't seriously investigated in this country.

Well it is almost impossible to detect, that's the problem.

It's kind of like speeders on the highway. Everybody is driving 25 mph or more over the speed limit. But if the police never catch the speeders and give out tickets, does that mean there are no speeders? Does that mean nobody is breaking the law?

The police for speeders is what Voter-ID is to voting. If speeders see the cop there taking laser, then they will start to slow down. Same with Voter-ID. If they know there are systems in place to stop illegal voting, the illegal voting will stop or at least be greatly reduced.

After Elections are over, there is no further investigating of voter fraud. All who voted illegally are not held accountable. There may be a case or two of prosecution, but just about all who engaged in voter fraud will never be prosecuted. The resources just aren't there to enforce voting laws.

Gee whiz…we have 30+ GOP governors. You’d think that they would enforce the voting laws in their own states.

Once elections are over, they rarely go back and seriously investigate voter fraud.

Why is that?

Most who engage in voter fraud, are never held accountable.

Why is that?

They can't or won't expend the resources investigating thousands of instances of voter fraud. That's just the way it is.

Sooooo here is the story we’re supposed to believe:

The state that have a GOP governors (in this case 30 of them—all of them) have banded together in some sort of bizarre pact to where NONE OF THEM will expend the resources to investigate the fraud that oneway, may, cost them their jobs?

Either that or there isn’t enough fraud to persecute.