Liberals Obliterated by Founding Fathers on Guns

[GeoLaureate8]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1764

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine

"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
-- George Mason

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”

-- Samuel Adams


Wait, I found somebody who does agree with Liberals:

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
-- Adolf Hitler, April 1942


Alexander Hamilton on Dianne Feinstein: People should 'rush to arms' to defend against representatives who 'betray their constituents'
» Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave: Special Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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[Truthmatters]

the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional

 

[Mad Scientist]

the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional

They also said Corporations are People.

Does that mean you agree?

 

[g5000]

the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional

They also said Corporations are People.

Does that mean you agree?

Would you mind quoting the "Corporations are People" Supreme Court decision and show us exactly where they said that?

Thanks.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Liberals are the same people that were called Tories during our revolutionary period. Unfortunately they never left our shores but still prefer a monarchy or large government rather than what real Americans fight for, die for and make America the best country on this planet.

 

[TNHarley]

Citizens United, look it up. At least I guess that is what he is talking about..

 

[TNHarley]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1764

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine

"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
-- George Mason

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”

-- Samuel Adams


Wait, I found somebody who does agree with Liberals:

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
-- Adolf Hitler, April 1942


Alexander Hamilton on Dianne Feinstein: People should 'rush to arms' to defend against representatives who 'betray their constituents'
» Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave: Special Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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ALL very smart people

 

[g5000]

Citizens United, look it up. At least I guess that is what he is talking about..

I have looked it up. And I've read it. He clearly has not, which is why I asked for a source quote. He is regurgitating a left wing invention about Citizens United, not the Supreme Court.

 

[Wry Catcher]

How many mass murders of innocents were carried out in the 18th Century with an 18th Century gun? Does anyone believe those men listed in the OP were stupid?

 

[paperview]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1764

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine

"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
-- George Mason

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”

-- Samuel Adams


Wait, I found somebody who does agree with Liberals:

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
-- Adolf Hitler, April 1942


Alexander Hamilton on Dianne Feinstein: People should 'rush to arms' to defend against representatives who 'betray their constituents'
» Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave: Special Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.

 

[Wry Catcher]

the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional

They also said Corporations are People.

Does that mean you agree?

Romney said that; CU v. FEC said money = free speech.

 

[regent]

Liberals are the same people that were called Tories during our revolutionary period. Unfortunately they never left our shores but still prefer a monarchy or large government rather than what real Americans fight for, die for and make America the best country on this planet.

It might fly with some people, but the damn history books say otherwise and probably most teachers of history would agree with the history books. The professors of history will be the problem. Still it might work with some people and worth a try particualry in the southern states.
The Truman was a Republican thing wasn't a roaring success but some of these things take a lot of repeating. Might even make McCarthy a Democrat?

 

[g5000]

How many mass murders of innocents were carried out in the 18th Century with a contemporary with an 18th Cenury gun? Does anyone believe those men listed in the OP were stupid?

Mass murders of innocents were regularly carried out in the 18th century by governments, using conventional arms. So, no, no one thinks those men were stupid. They knew what they were talking about.

 

[g5000]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1764

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine

"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
-- George Mason

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”

-- Samuel Adams


Wait, I found somebody who does agree with Liberals:

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
-- Adolf Hitler, April 1942


Alexander Hamilton on Dianne Feinstein: People should 'rush to arms' to defend against representatives who 'betray their constituents'
» Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave: Special Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.

Indeed. The first one allegedly by Washington is bogus.

The actual quote is in Washington's first annual message to Congress:

Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

How many mass murders of innocents were carried out in the 18th Century with an 18th Century gun? Does anyone believe those men listed in the OP were stupid?

Your analogy is entirely irrelevant. Why do you even post such utter nonsense?

 

[paperview]

First three are:

1st quote: http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

2nd:Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...(Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson?s Monticello

3rd: Talk:Thomas Paine - Wikiquote

 

[paperview]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1764

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine

"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."
-- George Mason

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.”

-- Samuel Adams


Wait, I found somebody who does agree with Liberals:

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
-- Adolf Hitler, April 1942


Alexander Hamilton on Dianne Feinstein: People should 'rush to arms' to defend against representatives who 'betray their constituents'
» Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave: Special Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.

Indeed. The first one allegedly by Washington is bogus.

The actual quote is in Washington's first annual message to Congress:

Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy.

Quite a different read, isn't it?

Oh, and a few Washington scholars have this to add:

Ron Chernow, whose "Washington: A Life" won the 2011 Pulitzer Prize for biography, helped us translate that into 21st-century-ese.

"In this passage, Washington is talking about national defense policy, not individuals arming themselves, and the need for national self-sufficiency in creating military supplies," Chernow told us by email.

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Edward Lengel, editor in chief of the Papers of George Washington project at the University of Virginia, told us by email, "Washington never said, to my knowledge, anything about arms providing a safeguard against any so-called ‘tyranny’ of government.’ "

In reading the "armed, but disciplined" quotation, Lengel said, "emphasis should be on the word ‘disciplined,’ by which Washington was taking a backhanded swipe at the militia, which he considered undisciplined and next to useless in combat. Washington was all for an ordered, professional standing army under the command of a strong central government."

The linked piece goes on to discuss the frequent laments of Washington. It's a good read.

PolitiFact Texas | Louie Gohmert says George Washington said a free people should be armed to guard against government tyranny

 

[GeoLaureate8]

Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.

False.

1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

 

[paperview]

Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.

False.

1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

http://www.usmessageboard.com/6854943-post16.html

 

[GeoLaureate8]

You claim the Thomas Paine quote is unsourced. False.

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775

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