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Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.
False.
1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
They also said Corporations are People.the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional
Does that mean you agree?
Romney said that; CU v. FEC said money = free speech.
WikiQuotes states it is unsourced. What you just posted was a link to a 2nd Amendment blog, front page with this:You claim the Thomas Paine quote is unsourced. False.
Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center
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Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.
False.
1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
Wonder if this quote would take legs:
"We the founers know that guns are going to change over the years, become more lethal and kill lots and lots of people including school children, but, we the founders, officially approve of the changes. And we also want people to know that the second amendment applies to the them new big babies like bazookas too. God bless the NRA."
The official founders and framers. 1790.
Some of those quotes there are bogus, just sews ya know.
False.
1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
Wonder if this quote would take legs:
"We the founers know that guns are going to change over the years, become more lethal and kill lots and lots of people including school children, but, we the founders, officially approve of the changes. And we also want people to know that the second amendment applies to the them new big babies like bazookas too. God bless the NRA."
The official founders and framers. 1790.
In case you missed it, Geo, Mr. LaPierre, et al, have changed the words "half the world" with "law abiding" and you took two sentences and smooshed them together.WikiQuotes states it is unsourced. What you just posted was a link to a 2nd Amendment blog, front page with this:You claim the Thomas Paine quote is unsourced. False.
Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center
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Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President
National Rifle Association
The actual quote is here: The Writings of Thomas Paine - Thomas Paine - Google Books
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Breeze it by
They also said Corporations are People.the scotus has already said gun laws are perfectly constitutional
Does that mean you agree?
Would you mind quoting the "Corporations are People" Supreme Court decision and show us exactly where they said that?
Thanks.
Since at least Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward 17 U.S. 518 (1819), the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized corporations as having the same rights as natural persons to contract and to enforce contracts. In Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad - 118 U.S. 394 (1886), the reporter noted in the headnote to the opinion that the Chief Justice began oral argument by stating, "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does."[1] While the headnote is not part of the Court's opinion and thus not precedent, two years later, in Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania - 125 U.S. 181 (1888), the Court clearly affirmed the doctrine, holding, "Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution." [2] This doctrine has been reaffirmed by the Court many times since.
WikiQuotes states it is unsourced. What you just posted was a link to a 2nd Amendment blog, front page with this:You claim the Thomas Paine quote is unsourced. False.
Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center
.
Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President
National Rifle Association
The actual quote is here: The Writings of Thomas Paine - Thomas Paine - Google Books
Page 56
Breeze it by
How many died?22 school children were stabbed in China the same day as Sandy Hook.
What you saw was also the actual quote, which was NOT what you posted.WikiQuotes states it is unsourced. What you just posted was a link to a 2nd Amendment blog, front page with this:You claim the Thomas Paine quote is unsourced. False.
Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
The James Madison Research Library and Information Center
.
Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President
National Rifle Association
The actual quote is here: The Writings of Thomas Paine - Thomas Paine - Google Books
Page 56
Breeze it by
Thanks. Even more juicy quotes from Thomas Paine. What I saw was the same quote but in Old English.
What you saw was also the actual quote, which was NOT what you posted.WikiQuotes states it is unsourced. What you just posted was a link to a 2nd Amendment blog, front page with this:
Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President
National Rifle Association
The actual quote is here: The Writings of Thomas Paine - Thomas Paine - Google Books
Page 56
Breeze it by
Thanks. Even more juicy quotes from Thomas Paine. What I saw was the same quote but in Old English.
You can't just take the words "half the world" and turn it into "law abiding" and slice it up without the ellipses.
Noah Webster October, 1787Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.
Melancton Smith, Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer, 1788.To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always posses arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.
What the fcuk? Old English translations???I stand by all the quotes in the OP. Here's why:
- The George Washington quote was translated from Old English. Every part of it meant the same except the "protect from your own government."
- The Thomas Jefferson quote was essentially found word for word in his book. The contention is that he was quoting someone else. Regardless, he put those words in the book with agreement. He didn't include those words to refute them.
- The Thomas Paine quote was again translated from Old English, the meaning doesn't change.
- The rest of the quotes remain legitimate.
The Liberals think that the quotes take on a whole new meaning as if the Founders were anti-gun. Wrong. No quotes meaning was misconstrued, rather rewritten to be more easily understood.
Can the Liberals refute the overall message of the Founders? No. Can they nitpick semantics and ignore pro-gun arguments from the Enlightenment Era? Yes.
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What the fcuk? Old English translations???I stand by all the quotes in the OP. Here's why:
- The George Washington quote was translated from Old English. Every part of it meant the same except the "protect from your own government."
- The Thomas Jefferson quote was essentially found word for word in his book. The contention is that he was quoting someone else. Regardless, he put those words in the book with agreement. He didn't include those words to refute them.
- The Thomas Paine quote was again translated from Old English, the meaning doesn't change.
- The rest of the quotes remain legitimate.
The Liberals think that the quotes take on a whole new meaning as if the Founders were anti-gun. Wrong. No quotes meaning was misconstrued, rather rewritten to be more easily understood.
Can the Liberals refute the overall message of the Founders? No. Can they nitpick semantics and ignore pro-gun arguments from the Enlightenment Era? Yes.
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The words of Washington's first address do not need to be translated - they are right there in black and white and they are NOT anywhere near what your quote says.
Jefferson never said the words attributed to him
and Paine's words were changed.
You don't DO THAT.
and you saying "There is a purpose behind changing the words..." is bullcrap on ice.
You don't misquote. Period. End. Fin.
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
