Liberals Understand Human Nature.....Not.

[PoliticalChic]

In politics, or environmentalism, or any area of human endeavor, ascribing special, or higher order attributes to any group is both a mistake, and a hallmark of Progressive belief.


Whether it be Liberalism, or Communism, or Nazism...or any totalitarian doctrine, all begin with the misunderstanding that human nature is malleable, plastic, and can be altered by just the right combination of governance, rules, regulations, and/or punishment.


Bottom line: human beings have been, and always will be, what they are today. The Founders knew this, and built the concept of 'checks and balances' to account for same.



1. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




3. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.

“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.“Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733

 

[rightwinger]

What does Lenin have to do with Liberals?

You are reaching again

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

 

[Wyatt earp]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

yet they are smart enough not to get caught, not so much for the left.

 

[Votto]

What is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
James Madison


Progs would disagree with this assessment. Progs would say that human nature is evil, therefore, law after law needs to be passed to curb this evil. Evil that may be committed by lawmakers are simply collateral damage, losses that need to be absorbed.

Really the great evil is free will. The goal is to curb such will via the bureaucracy.

A utopia is said to be within reach if only the individual surrenders more of his liberty and being for the general good, meaning the good as prescribed by the state. If he refuses, he will be tormented and ultimately coerced into compliance, for conformity is essential and leads to our collective salvation.

 

[Votto]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

This is the disconnect. Republicans bad, Dims good.

Don't get me wrong, I have no use for the GOP. They have done virtually nothing to my liking..............ever, but this childish notion of good cop bad cop certainly gets old.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What does Lenin have to do with Liberals?

You are reaching again

Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin....this is the early part of Liberals/Progressives' family tree.

It is the totalitarian family tree, and includes every political doctrine that places the collective higher than the individual.


"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"


I hope you're taking notes.

 

[Votto]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

yet they are smart enough not to get caught, not so much for the left.

Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts, however, Obama gets caught doing the same in Syria via his former ambassador in Libya and it does not even make a headline.

One thing is for sure, the freedom of the press is not the same as it once was, nor are the checks and balances as effective.

Under Obama, the freedom of the press was rated in the mid 20's in the world, but now is in the mid 40's.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

So.....that's why Republicans created the Earned Income Tax Credits,.....and why Reagan saw to it that every person in America....legal or otherwise, had healthcare?


You really come off like a dunce out to smear reputable Americans.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

yet they are smart enough not to get caught, not so much for the left.

Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts, however, Obama gets caught doing the same in Syria via his former ambassador in Libya and it does not even make a headline.

One thing is for sure, the freedom of the press is not the same as it once was, nor are the checks and balances as effective.

Under Obama, the freedom of the press was rated in the mid 20's in the world, but now is in the mid 40's.

"Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts,..."

Not quite.

1. The Iran-Contra scandal involved the sale of arms to Iran, basically to ransom American hostages that Islamic extremists held, and diverting proceeds from the sale to the Contras in Nicaragua. Neither the sale nor the diversions of funds were clear violations of existing laws: subsequent independent counsel investigations directly charged anyone with crimes for either the arms sales nor the diversions.
2. "... reversal of NSC staff member Oliver North and National Security Adviser John Poindexter’s convictions. The Court of Appeals reversed their convictions because they successfully argued that witnesses in their trials might have been affected by publicized immunized congressional testimony, even though the prosecutors themselves had taken painstaking efforts to avoid encountering information about the hearings."

Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath (convictions: Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath)

[The parallel investigation by Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh secured criminal convictions of nearly a dozen senior administration officials and private citizens for acts such as perjury, conspiracy, fraud, and the destruction of evidence.
Read more:Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life s Questions]

1. 1. Two points should be made clear. The Democrat Congress was strongly in favor of the communists of Nicaragua, and the scandal was an attempt to tie the hands of the President, who was strongly anti-communist. And, two, congressional attempts to conduct foreign policy were, at the very least, constitutionally dubious. Reagan often complained that it was not possible to carry out foreign policy with 535 secretaries of state in Congress. See
      "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Presidents: From Wilson to Obama,"
      by Steven F. Hayward

 

[Votto]

Human nature's best characterized by Republicans.

-get ahead by any means
-all for me, none for you
-do what you will, just don't get caught

yet they are smart enough not to get caught, not so much for the left.

Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts, however, Obama gets caught doing the same in Syria via his former ambassador in Libya and it does not even make a headline.

One thing is for sure, the freedom of the press is not the same as it once was, nor are the checks and balances as effective.

Under Obama, the freedom of the press was rated in the mid 20's in the world, but now is in the mid 40's.

"Reagan got caught illegally funding troops in Nicaragua and a big scandal erupts,..."

Not quite.

1. The Iran-Contra scandal involved the sale of arms to Iran, basically to ransom American hostages that Islamic extremists held, and diverting proceeds from the sale to the Contras in Nicaragua. Neither the sale nor the diversions of funds were clear violations of existing laws: subsequent independent counsel investigations directly charged anyone with crimes for either the arms sales nor the diversions.
2. "... reversal of NSC staff member Oliver North and National Security Adviser John Poindexter’s convictions. The Court of Appeals reversed their convictions because they successfully argued that witnesses in their trials might have been affected by publicized immunized congressional testimony, even though the prosecutors themselves had taken painstaking efforts to avoid encountering information about the hearings."

Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath (convictions: Understanding the Iran-Contra Affairs - The Legal Aftermath)

[The parallel investigation by Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh secured criminal convictions of nearly a dozen senior administration officials and private citizens for acts such as perjury, conspiracy, fraud, and the destruction of evidence.
Read more:Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life s Questions]

1. 1. Two points should be made clear. The Democrat Congress was strongly in favor of the communists of Nicaragua, and the scandal was an attempt to tie the hands of the President, who was strongly anti-communist. And, two, congressional attempts to conduct foreign policy were, at the very least, constitutionally dubious. Reagan often complained that it was not possible to carry out foreign policy with 535 secretaries of state in Congress.

Ah yes, it's that gray area where no one is sure if the President has the power to act unilaterally on issues such as wars abroad.

It is no surprise that this continues and that it simply gets worse when nothing is done about it.

 

[Dot Com]

What does Lenin have to do with Liberals?

You are reaching again

That our PoliticalSpice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In politics, or environmentalism, or any area of human endeavor, ascribing special, or higher order attributes to any group is both a mistake, and a hallmark of Progressive belief.


Whether it be Liberalism, or Communism, or Nazism...or any totalitarian doctrine, all begin with the misunderstanding that human nature is malleable, plastic, and can be altered by just the right combination of governance, rules, regulations, and/or punishment.


Bottom line: human beings have been, and always will be, what they are today. The Founders knew this, and built the concept of 'checks and balances' to account for same.



1. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




3. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.

“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.“Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733

So tell us, which portions of the standard dogma of conservatism have you chosen not to conform to?

Which of those bells do you choose not to salivate over?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's remind all of the straight line from Lenin to Bill's wife......both have the same view of human nature.....that it is plastic, malleable....and molding it should be the aim of governance.

4. In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.” http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html

BTW....Progressive Woodrow Wilson also referred to men as being like 'clay'....




And another totalitarian out to change human nature:

5. " The term Übermensch was used frequently by Hitler and the Nazi regime to describe their idea of a biologically superior Aryan or Germanic master race;" bermensch - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. Progressive doctrine in the US stems directly from German political thought. he problem that the progressives faced was that America was not Prussia. For one thing, the Germans were a homogeneous racial group, as was the aim of progressives for America. When Oliver Wendell Holmes, a Supreme Court Justice, approved of Virginia's forced-sterilization law, he said it was the way to "build a race." The Darwinian Basis for Eugenics Center for Science and Culture



As history and experience has shown, this is fallacious.

5. "The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.” Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198




6. “Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”--Thucydides

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone who writes that liberalism is a totalitarian doctrine simply cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Mac1958]

Anyone who writes that liberalism is a totalitarian doctrine simply cannot be taken seriously.

Our political discourse is locked in a cycle of hyperbole.

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[NYcarbineer]

I think there's a reason so many conservatives over the years have called themselves 'dittoheads'.

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone who writes that liberalism is a totalitarian doctrine simply cannot be taken seriously.

Our political discourse is locked in a cycle of hyperbole.

.

I agree. Ever increasing hyperbole at that.

 

[World Savior]

In politics, or environmentalism, or any area of human endeavor, ascribing special, or higher order attributes to any group is both a mistake, and a hallmark of Progressive belief.


Whether it be Liberalism, or Communism, or Nazism...or any totalitarian doctrine, all begin with the misunderstanding that human nature is malleable, plastic, and can be altered by just the right combination of governance, rules, regulations, and/or punishment.


Bottom line: human beings have been, and always will be, what they are today. The Founders knew this, and built the concept of 'checks and balances' to account for same.



1. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Right understand human nature extremely well. It is manifested daily by them in the form of their racism and homophobia. ;-)


2. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




3. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.

“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.“Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733

 

[PoliticalChic]

Anyone who writes that liberalism is a totalitarian doctrine simply cannot be taken seriously.

Anyone who denies it is a partisan hack.


And...in your case....a ....never mind.