Mafia Discussion Thread: Keep Your Torches and Pitchforks at Home!

[Wolfsister77]

As long as you restore this thread, that's fine. I think there is some good info. here and some interesting commentary that would serve as excellent FZ material. I hear they are getting bored down there.

 

[strollingbones]

i think people like myself just get into it and then post here and cant stop thinking or talking about it.....

 

[sameech]

You have scum out numbered almost 4 to one in the set up. Town additionally has more PR's than scum; wake sending private messages to town members; wake jumping into games to protect not just town, but his special townies who make him feel good because they are blowing sunshine up his ass, fucking up player's gambits; wake ignoring that town members are editing posts which is universally agreed in mafia to be cheating to the point that most sites will modkill you on the spot for doing it; wake injecting false information into games. Scum never stood a chance in the game because the moderator is playing the game instead of moderating.

 

[Wake]

Sameech, if you want to make accusations, you can do so via PM. If you want to play the game, play. If you don't, and want to disrupt our game, then I'll be left with no choice but to contact USMB staff. Out of the many ways you could of communicated your thoughts, you chose one of the worst. I'm asking you to calm down and communicate the right way.

 

[strollingbones]

o damn we killed a townie....i just dont get it....isnt the idea of being a townie to try hard to live?

 

[Wolfsister77]

Great job Wake!!

 

[strollingbones]

yea kick ass death scene....

*folds skin up* looks at old swiney muscles.....give this to mertex next time you see her....i hate we killed a townie....

 

[Wolfsister77]

Unfortunately, he gave us little choice.

 

[strollingbones]

but still....we have killed off two townies ...we suck

 

[Wolfsister77]

I blame sameech for this last one.

 

[Wake]

Guys, I know it's extremely tough, but please don't discuss our ongoing game. Go to bed, and pray you're protected while you sleep.

I'm going to delete these posts temporarily, but they'll all pop up in chronological order once our game ends.

I know it's tough. Been there, done that. Not trying to be mean, seriously. Without you we wouldn't have a game to enjoy.

The game is like an emotional dynamo. That's just part of the immense complexity of it.

 

[strollingbones]

blaming the victim....how how scummy of you....

 

[strollingbones]

*going to bed*

 

[Mertex]

*going to bed*

Damn Bones, it's only 1:57 p.m. you truly must be a chicken...going to bed so early.

 

[strollingbones]

actually finishing a fence...or rather making sure hubby does it..then the belmont then dinner out with son and his g/f

 

[Wolfsister77]

You don't have to restore my bitchy ones Wake.

 

[Wake]

In Mafia, it's not uncommon to melt down.

At least 3 times have I been on the warpath.

The first time I was a Doctor in a simple, 13-player game. My gut told me someone was Scum, but no one believed me. So, the guy I suspected was scum manipulated the Town, and got me angry. He then used my anger against me, feeding it, and using it to sway the Town to lynch me. At L-1 I was so very angry that I screamed at them that I was the Town Doctor, that they didn't deserve a Doctor, voted for myself and with a scream jumped off the gallows with the noose around me neck. It was epic.

Another time, in a rather large themed game, we Townies happened to out the Serial Killer. Town split into two angry factions over what to do with the SK. Either lynch it, or use him to kill suspected Scum. The Scum, in all of this, did NOT waste their time using this divide, and wormed its way through and through everyone's hearts. It was so bad Townies were getting lynched instead of the Serial Killer, including me, and Scum had actually taken control of the SK while parading as the Town leaders.

This was the one, folks, where the flame war over the Serial KIller began.

 

[Shaitra]

In Mafia, it's not uncommon to melt down.

At least 3 times have I been on the warpath.

The first time I was a Doctor in a simple, 13-player game. My gut told me someone was Scum, but no one believed me. So, the guy I suspected was scum manipulated the Town, and got me angry. He then used my anger against me, feeding it, and using it to sway the Town to lynch me. At L-1 I was so very angry that I screamed at them that I was the Town Doctor, that they didn't deserve a Doctor, voted for myself and with a scream jumped off the gallows with the noose around me neck. It was epic.

Another time, in a rather large themed game, we Townies happened to out the Serial Killer. Town split into two angry factions over what to do with the SK. Either lynch it, or use him to kill suspected Scum. The Scum, in all of this, did NOT waste their time using this divide, and wormed its way through and through everyone's hearts. It was so bad Townies were getting lynched instead of the Serial Killer, including me, and Scum had actually taken control of the SK while parading as the Town leaders.

This was the one, folks, where the flame war over the Serial KIller began.

Sounds like an epic game Wake.

 

[dblack]

Regarding the off-table talk: It might help if some of you had more context, in particular, the context of how the live game that we're replicating works.

In the live game, all players sit in a circle, facing each other, for the entirety of the game. The first night, after the roles are secretly handed out (usually on index cards or the like), the moderator instructs everyone to lower their heads and close their eyes. The mafia players are then told to open their eyes and take notice of who the other mafia players are. They are told to close their eyes. Then everyone opens their eyes and the first day begins, with open discussion and banter, usually resulting in a lynching. Then, the second night arrives and everyone closes their eyes. One at a time, the Power Role players are told to open their eyes, and choose their targets by silently pointing such that the moderate can tell who they're targeting. The moderator supplies them with pertinent info if required, again silently (eg indicating with a thumbs up or down whether someone is scum). After choosing a target, the PR closes his or her eyes and the next PR does likewise. When the PR actions are finished, the mafia are all told to open their eyes. By winking, nodding or other silent gestures, they agree on a target, finally pointing at their victim so that the moderator knows who they're killing. Then, the mafia closes it's eyes, and everyone 'wakes up'. The moderator announces the results and the next day begins. Wash-rinse-repeat.

The key point here, is that at no time are players talking with each other in 'private'. They can't confide in each other secretly in any way. You can, and many do, try to give subtle hints to others via oblique comments, non-verbal gestures, or whatever. But anything you do is subject to the scrutiny of the rest of the group. That's why it would fundamentally betray the spirit of the game for us to PM with other players while a game is going on. Likewise, while mafia are choosing their victim, we are all nominally 'asleep', and unable to discuss the proceedings.

That's why Wake is trying to keep the game-talk in this thread squelched. This is not the place to strategize or campaign for any efforts or suspicions in an ongoing game. Hopefully having a clearer picture of how the original game works will make it clear why this is the case.

 

[RosieS]

I'm not aware of much of the things said, because I focus on tallying votes and responding to mentions. As with Rosie, when allegations of cheating offsite are made I ask for some sort of evidence, anything, that serves as a basis. The same goes with dealing with socks, I would imagine. Rosie made mention that there was cheating going on but did not disclose any sort of evidence that could be considered. I have PM'd Sameech asking him too for something of substance, but his account is not accepting PMs. I cannot modkill a player for offsite cheating if it's a supposition. There has to be something tangible that can be used objectively.

Sameech was asked to help explain gameplay with the newer players, because it would be a good thing, and at the main site it's exactly that same way with "SEs" and "ICs."

I can't punish a player because of "I think so," or "I know it." That's how you lynch players, but not how USMB members get treated by the host. If you suspect someone is cheating, please PM me. Something tangible, like a link to somewhere that has players actively cheating offsite, is something that would be used. Suspicion alone is not enough. As for players talking about our ongoing game in USMB thread, I'm stamping that out by the end of Sunday.

It was an allegation because the player said so.

That isn't "I think so...." it is "I read it."

There needs to be a rule that one dies not use rulebreaking as strategy in or out of the game.

Once one has admitted to rulebreaking, even as a red herring, the well is poisoned.

I will keep repeating until comprehended.

You cannot give links unless you are an invited participant.

Not saying it occurred, but saying I read in the game that a player admitted to it.

You cannot be allowed to play that falsely. Trying to psyche out by claiming rulebreaking is out of bounds of legit play.

And others of a cabal get blamed, too.

Get it yet?

Regards from Rosie