Mass incarceration. Sessions says- Lock em up, throw away the key.

[Billo_Really]

were did I say that?

Your earlier post gave me the impression you had no problem with the number of people in our prisons and the reasons why some of them are there.

 

[Auld Phart]

were did I say that?

Your earlier post gave me the impression you had no problem with the number of people in our prisons and the reasons why some of them are there.

I don't

what does that have to do with this?

If you want to dish out the death penalty for parking violations, you are one sick puppy!

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't

what does that have to do with this?

If you don't have a problem with the former, then you don't have a problem with the latter.

 

[Auld Phart]

I don't

what does that have to do with this?

If you don't have a problem with the former, then you don't have a problem with the latter.

death penalty for parking violations?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is constitutional about the war on drugs and kicking peoples door down?

Why don't you let a few Portland Junkies stay at your house? Use your shower. give them a room? They are just people that need help right? Practice what you preach........it is only right. Plenty of junkies on the downtown streets up there. do your part.

When we continually put offenders of victimless crimes in jail we are just contuing the cycle. That nonviolent druggie will go in jail and come out a different person who may very well be violent, as serving jail time is about survival.
We are taking good citizens that with the right help can contribute to society and turning them into dangerous criminals.
We are creating the monsters.

You think that being a pusher is a victimless crime????

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Build a wall?
I've heard the Mexicans are excellent tunnel builders

And we're pretty good at burying them alive inside their tunnels....that's the part you don't hear about.

A wall will not help. You can go over it, under it, around it.. and since it probably won't be built, it's not a problem. Drugs do not only enter the country through the Mexican boarder.
That being said- there is really no way to keep people from acquiring drugs. Locking up any citizen who's ever bought or sold is a ridiculous endeavor. The war on drugs is not being "won" and it never will be.

Neither will the war on rape, murder or armed robberies. But that's no reason to legalize those things.

You don't make laws to eliminate something, you make laws to minimize the activity and try to control it.

 

[Billo_Really]

death penalty for parking violations?

People are jailed for writing bad checks.

 

[Avatar4321]

It really comes as no surprise. The Grabby One is following the Nixon line. He'll probably use it as a political weapon too before it's all said and done.

and everyone knows
"good people don't smoke marijuana"

Are dumb people good?

 

[miketx]

Liberals loves they criminals, don't they?

 

[Preacher]

Good! We just had a local scumbag sentenced to 70 years in prison for his meth operation/dealing etc. We live in an area with a major north south and east west highway and drug peddlers are using it to bring their poison into the county and I am damn glad our Sheriff is cracking down! He has to serve 56 years before he is eligible for parole.

Where you live sounds like one of those third world countries. Quite shocking that someone gets more time for passing a joint to a pal than someone guilty of manslaughter. Positively primitive.

So...did you not read the post you quoted, or did you just ignore it?

70 years is too disproportionate.

t the conclusion of a four-day jury trial this week in Macon County Superior Court Adam Joshua Sanders, 30, of Franklin was convicted of trafficking in methamphetamine by possession, trafficking in methamphetamine by transportation, and conspiracy to traffic in methamphetamine. He was sentenced Thursday to a maximum of 70 and a half years in prison, and he will serve at least 56 years before he is eligible for release. This case was the first case for trial during a three week special narcotics terms in Macon County Superior Court that began on Monday and will continue for the next two weeks.

I think he got what he deserved.

Adam Sanders sentenced to 70 years for drug trafficking - The Macon County News

He is a piece of shit who was contributing directly to this poison that are killing the youth here and destroying families. Don't want to go to prison? Don't commit the crime.

 

[Preacher]

“These convictions and long sentences should send a stern message,” said Macon County Sheriff Robert Holland. “The Macon County Sheriff’s Office and our District Attorney’s Office will work extremely hard to seek out drug dealers, build strong cases and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. These two individuals chose drug dealing as their profession and while we will never know how many lives their drug dealing affected, the one thing we have ensured is at least these two individuals will not be a contributing factor in destroying another family in our community. Meanwhile, we are actively pursuing other menaces to our community and we will not waiver until we take them out of business and put them where they need to be too … the NC Department of Corrections. My advice to those with addiction issues is to seek help today. Tomorrow may be too late.I am all about encouraging treatment and getting people help who ‘want help.’ My top priority is to do all I possibly can to keep my community safe and if that means placing drug addicts in jail for committing crimes against our citizens, then so be it. Maybe in jail they’ll sober up, allow their families to know at least while in jail their loved one won’t overdose and finally seek the help their family has begged them to get.”

Proud of my Sheriff! Love the tough approach!

 

[Aries]

Mr Sessions' predecessor, Eric Holder, had instructed prosecutors in 2013 to avoid pursuing the maximum punishment for criminals in cases such as minor drug offences, which would have triggered mandatory minimum sentencing.

because from 2009 - 2013, uber bigots Obama and Holder were joyfully packing Federal prisons with overwhelmingly white medicinal marijuana people, who were deliberately lied to by Obama during the 2008 campaign...

Dickinson: Obama's War on Pot


"
Back when he was running for president in 2008, Barack Obama insisted that medical marijuana was an issue best left to state and local governments. "I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue," he vowed, promising an end to the Bush administration's high-profile raids on providers of medical pot, which is legal in 16 states and the District of Columbia.

But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multiagency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst.""

he administration's recognition of medical cannabis reached its high-water mark in July 2010, when the Department of Veterans Affairs validated it as a legitimate course of treatment for soldiers returning from the front lines. But it didn't take long for the fragile federal detente to begin to collapse. The reversal began at the Drug Enforcement Agency with Michele Leonhart, a holdover from the Bush administration who was renominated by Obama to head the DEA. An anti-medical-marijuana hard-liner, Leonhart had been rebuked in 2008 by House Judiciary chairman John Conyers for targeting dispensaries with tactics "typically reserved for the worst drug traffickers and kingpins." Her views on the larger drug war are so perverse, in fact, that last year she cited the slaughter of nearly 1,000 Mexican children by the drug cartels as a counterintuitive "sign of success in the fight against drugs."

Obama kept too many bush holdovers. Republicans were so against him he tried to throw them a bone, it ended up hurting him in more areas than one.

You drug addicted worthless piece of human debris. Why don't you worry about something important, like nuclear weapons, instead of worrying about where your next HIGH is coming from, and if it is legal or not!

This is the LEFT, and much of the LIBERALtarian position. They want to get high legally, and are to lazy to change the laws. Just like all LAZY people of youth, they want their way now, right now, and will fight for it, even as a nuke is heading towards their city.

Shows you what they are all really worried about!

Yea I am worried about half our country being behind bars.
Because it is the CONSERVATIVES that say:
"why can't these people find jobs?"
"why are these kids acting out in school?"
"where is this child's father?"
"why can't this single mother make ends meet?"
"why don't these citizens vote?"


incarceration has long term effects that affect family dynamics, ability to gain employment and advance, strips citizens of voting rights etc etc. There are SERIOUS long term effects on the people being incarcerated and serious long term affects on our society as well.
You ignorant fool.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is constitutional about the war on drugs and kicking peoples door down?

The feds have been losing the war on drugs for 50 years. Their strategy has always been to incarcerate any and all offenders. Having totally lost this war, they want to double down and incarnate even more people. It is kind of like McNamara's strategy to win the war in Vietnam. The obvious solution is to decriminalize most drugs, which would knock the legs out from under the drug cartels, and provide free methadone, and other treatments for addicts. But this means that the moralists in D.C. will have to admit that they lost the war.

I believe the war on drugs has mostly been WON. Attention has been paid to the extent a whole generation of Xers pretty much went straight. Having to make a living did that for them too, but let's no kid ourselves....there comes a time when an adult starts acting like an adult or doesn't. Build the wall, go after the cartels, teach something but gibberish in the public schools, and then tell me how the war is going....that will pretty much settle the issue.

Build a wall?
I've heard the Mexicans are excellent tunnel builders

And I've heard we have excellent technology. You can't build a tunnel to sneak drugs or illegals into the country without construction machinery. I'm sure ground sensors would alert our agencies that something is going on below the wall if Mexicans are trying to construct a tunnel.

 

[Avatar4321]

You guys are seriously complaining about the law being enforced? That is literally sessions job. Our republic is built on the rule of law. Refusing to enforce those laws undercuts the republic itself

If you don't like the laws, have them changed. That's what the system is designed for. Better yet stop breaking th law as well.

 

[Auld Phart]

death penalty for parking violations?

People are jailed for writing bad checks.

yes they are.

Why wouldn't they be?

Or, do you think they should just be fined.

(If someone is found guilty of writing a bad check, should the court take their check in payment?)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is constitutional about the war on drugs and kicking peoples door down?

The feds have been losing the war on drugs for 50 years. Their strategy has always been to incarcerate any and all offenders. Having totally lost this war, they want to double down and incarnate even more people. It is kind of like McNamara's strategy to win the war in Vietnam. The obvious solution is to decriminalize most drugs, which would knock the legs out from under the drug cartels, and provide free methadone, and other treatments for addicts. But this means that the moralists in D.C. will have to admit that they lost the war.

The truth of the matter a very small percentage (single digits) are in prison for just using drugs without an additional more serious offense or selling dope. Don't challenge me on that either, because I'll post the Politifact statistics if you try.

 

[Aries]

Build a wall?
I've heard the Mexicans are excellent tunnel builders

And we're pretty good at burying them alive inside their tunnels....that's the part you don't hear about.

A wall will not help. You can go over it, under it, around it.. and since it probably won't be built, it's not a problem. Drugs do not only enter the country through the Mexican boarder.
That being said- there is really no way to keep people from acquiring drugs. Locking up any citizen who's ever bought or sold is a ridiculous endeavor. The war on drugs is not being "won" and it never will be.

Neither will the war on rape, murder or armed robberies. But that's no reason to legalize those things.

You don't make laws to eliminate something, you make laws to minimize the activity and try to control it.

our drug laws are out of date and need updating. Marijuana, a schedule 1..... realllly?!?!!

 

[Auld Phart]

Mr Sessions' predecessor, Eric Holder, had instructed prosecutors in 2013 to avoid pursuing the maximum punishment for criminals in cases such as minor drug offences, which would have triggered mandatory minimum sentencing.

because from 2009 - 2013, uber bigots Obama and Holder were joyfully packing Federal prisons with overwhelmingly white medicinal marijuana people, who were deliberately lied to by Obama during the 2008 campaign...

Dickinson: Obama's War on Pot


"
Back when he was running for president in 2008, Barack Obama insisted that medical marijuana was an issue best left to state and local governments. "I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue," he vowed, promising an end to the Bush administration's high-profile raids on providers of medical pot, which is legal in 16 states and the District of Columbia.

But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multiagency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst.""

he administration's recognition of medical cannabis reached its high-water mark in July 2010, when the Department of Veterans Affairs validated it as a legitimate course of treatment for soldiers returning from the front lines. But it didn't take long for the fragile federal detente to begin to collapse. The reversal began at the Drug Enforcement Agency with Michele Leonhart, a holdover from the Bush administration who was renominated by Obama to head the DEA. An anti-medical-marijuana hard-liner, Leonhart had been rebuked in 2008 by House Judiciary chairman John Conyers for targeting dispensaries with tactics "typically reserved for the worst drug traffickers and kingpins." Her views on the larger drug war are so perverse, in fact, that last year she cited the slaughter of nearly 1,000 Mexican children by the drug cartels as a counterintuitive "sign of success in the fight against drugs."

Obama kept too many bush holdovers. Republicans were so against him he tried to throw them a bone, it ended up hurting him in more areas than one.

You drug addicted worthless piece of human debris. Why don't you worry about something important, like nuclear weapons, instead of worrying about where your next HIGH is coming from, and if it is legal or not!

This is the LEFT, and much of the LIBERALtarian position. They want to get high legally, and are to lazy to change the laws. Just like all LAZY people of youth, they want their way now, right now, and will fight for it, even as a nuke is heading towards their city.

Shows you what they are all really worried about!

Yea I am worried about half our country being behind bars.
Because it is the CONSERVATIVES that say:
"why can't these people find jobs?"
"why are these kids acting out in school?"
"where is this child's father?"
"why can't this single mother make ends meet?"
"why don't these citizens vote?"


incarceration has long term effects that affect family dynamics, ability to gain employment and advance, strips citizens of voting rights etc etc. There are SERIOUS long term effects on the people being incarcerated and serious long term affects on our society as well.
You ignorant fool.

and allowing criminals to roam the streets doesn't?

 

[Aries]

It really comes as no surprise. The Grabby One is following the Nixon line. He'll probably use it as a political weapon too before it's all said and done.

and everyone knows
"good people don't smoke marijuana"

Are dumb people good?

Have something against the disabled?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is constitutional about the war on drugs and kicking peoples door down?

What's constitutional about drug addicts doing the same in search for drug money? After all, that's the only time I've been robbed. In fact that's when I bought my first firearm--for protection.