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I guess you know better than the head of the RNC.No because you aren't convincing at all.Do I really have to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the Southern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon?You link me to the Huffington Post?
This is the first sentence I read.
"Republican futility is fueled by vapid intellectual disdain exhibited towards vision, wisdom, and long-term thinking, and a rejection of the foundational tenets of scientific inquiry. "
Seriously? You expect me to take that seriously?
I specified earlier that the "people" who told me that Working CLass whites, like my family were "racist" were the libs in the Media, from newspapers, magazines and books.
I never gave any thought to their race, I was discussing their ideas, which did not match with my observations of reality.
THe topic, at this point is your support of your claim about the Southern Strategy.
You will need to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the SOuthern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon.
OR, something of a similar scale in impact and duration.
I can't imagine what that would be. Neither has any other of the few libs that have tried to seriously support their position on this Myth.
I suspect you think more of the southern strategy than it actually is. The GOP already has those whites. Their every policy is anti black/poor. Sometimes its not as obvious. Do I need to explain that too?
No no. There is too much for me to explain. I'm not letting you drag me into explaining it all and debating it all with you. I know what I know, you know what you know. 200 pages later aint gonna change your mind or mine.
....
The GOP did NOT have those whites in 68 when Nixon supposedly started the "Southern Strategy".
So what did he "do" to get them?
Every policy is anti-black? LOL! be serious!
Have you never considered this seriously before? Never once questioned what you were told?
You're not going to change my mind, if all you can say is "I know".
You might change your mind if you try to defend your belief system and completely fail.
I could tell you what some other libs have said, and how I demolished their attempts.
Would you like to start there?
Might save you some work.
It's not about me. It's about your complete inability to make your case.
I mean when I asked you to support your belief in the Southern Strategy you posted that Nixon legalized abortion, then some code word stuff right after I told you not to do that, and then some accusations of GWBush doing push polls.
I mean, come on.
Now, you're at work. YOu might be telling yourself that when you have some uninterrupted time tonight you can do better.
Go with that. Focus on work while you are at work, and then when you come home just review Nixon or the Southern Strategy.
IF it's real, it shouldn't be hard to find how he got tens of millions of voters to flip parties.
It's got to be BIG...
Hey, this might help. Imagine what you would have to do to flip it BACK for the dems today.
It should give you an idea of what to look for historically.
Best of luck!
The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South," particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, has made it difficult for the Republican Party to win the support of black voters in the south in later years. In 2005,Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
Libs can't point to one example of Nixon pandering to SOuthern Racist that doe not boil down to "code word" bullshit.
The SOuthern Strategy is a myth.
Libs can't point to one example of Nixon pandering to SOuthern Racist that doe not boil down to "code word" bullshit.
The SOuthern Strategy is a myth.
So Nixon's people admitting their was a Southern Strategy means there really wasn't one?
Focus.
THe lib Myth of the Southern Strategy claims that in one very important regard that the Party HAS NOT CHANGED.
If you are going to back up your claim that I am wrong, you need to demonstrate a long standing policy of pandering to Racists White Southerns.
there wasn't a southern strategy....we have posted this over and over...
And another link showing the Southern Strategy was a democrat lie....
Red state article on Southern strategy mythâŚ..detailedâŚ.good look
Apparently miscreants that are willing to commit murder have no respect for gun control laws.... who'd have thunk it?Mexico has some very strict gun laws, worse than anything here except perhaps for Chicago, DC and other such crime-ridden hellholes.
So how could this have happened?
Who dumped guns in Mexico???Mexico has some very strict gun laws, worse than anything here except perhaps for Chicago, DC and other such crime-ridden hellholes.
Uh Mexico has a right to own guns in their constitution, just like we do. their guns laws aren't really all that strict. The fact the US Gun industry dumps a quarter million guns into Mexico is a large part of the problem.
Who dumped guns in Mexico???
I thought Obama dumped guns in Mexico.
No because you aren't convincing at all.Do I really have to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the Southern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon?You link me to the Huffington Post?
This is the first sentence I read.
"Republican futility is fueled by vapid intellectual disdain exhibited towards vision, wisdom, and long-term thinking, and a rejection of the foundational tenets of scientific inquiry. "
Seriously? You expect me to take that seriously?
I specified earlier that the "people" who told me that Working CLass whites, like my family were "racist" were the libs in the Media, from newspapers, magazines and books.
I never gave any thought to their race, I was discussing their ideas, which did not match with my observations of reality.
THe topic, at this point is your support of your claim about the Southern Strategy.
You will need to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the SOuthern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon.
OR, something of a similar scale in impact and duration.
I can't imagine what that would be. Neither has any other of the few libs that have tried to seriously support their position on this Myth.
I suspect you think more of the southern strategy than it actually is. The GOP already has those whites. Their every policy is anti black/poor. Sometimes its not as obvious. Do I need to explain that too?
No no. There is too much for me to explain. I'm not letting you drag me into explaining it all and debating it all with you. I know what I know, you know what you know. 200 pages later aint gonna change your mind or mine.
....
The GOP did NOT have those whites in 68 when Nixon supposedly started the "Southern Strategy".
So what did he "do" to get them?
Every policy is anti-black? LOL! be serious!
Have you never considered this seriously before? Never once questioned what you were told?
You're not going to change my mind, if all you can say is "I know".
You might change your mind if you try to defend your belief system and completely fail.
I could tell you what some other libs have said, and how I demolished their attempts.
Would you like to start there?
Might save you some work.
It's not about me. It's about your complete inability to make your case.
I mean when I asked you to support your belief in the Southern Strategy you posted that Nixon legalized abortion, then some code word stuff right after I told you not to do that, and then some accusations of GWBush doing push polls.
I mean, come on.
Now, you're at work. YOu might be telling yourself that when you have some uninterrupted time tonight you can do better.
Go with that. Focus on work while you are at work, and then when you come home just review Nixon or the Southern Strategy.
IF it's real, it shouldn't be hard to find how he got tens of millions of voters to flip parties.
It's got to be BIG...
Hey, this might help. Imagine what you would have to do to flip it BACK for the dems today.
It should give you an idea of what to look for historically.
Best of luck!
In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to a strategy by some Republican Party candidates of gaining political support in the Southern United States by appealing to racism against African Americans.
You think this strategy is a myth?
Maybe it's just coincidence that after the civil rights movement whites went from voting Democratic to Republican. Maybe blacks had nothing to do with it. Why did the south leave the Democratic party then?
During this period, Republican politicians such as Presidential candidate Richard Nixon worked to attract southern white conservative voters (most of whom had traditionally supported the Democratic Party) to the Republican Party,[4] and Senator Barry Goldwater won the five formerly Confederate states of the Deep South (Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina) in the 1964 presidential election. In the 1968 presidential campaign, Nixon won Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee, all former Confederate states, contributing to the electoral realignmentthat saw many white, southern voters shift allegiance from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party during this period.
Tell me why your racist kin switched parties.
Maybe instead of making me guess you can tell me why they switched parties???
No because you aren't convincing at all.Do I really have to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the Southern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon?You link me to the Huffington Post?
This is the first sentence I read.
"Republican futility is fueled by vapid intellectual disdain exhibited towards vision, wisdom, and long-term thinking, and a rejection of the foundational tenets of scientific inquiry. "
Seriously? You expect me to take that seriously?
I specified earlier that the "people" who told me that Working CLass whites, like my family were "racist" were the libs in the Media, from newspapers, magazines and books.
I never gave any thought to their race, I was discussing their ideas, which did not match with my observations of reality.
THe topic, at this point is your support of your claim about the Southern Strategy.
You will need to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the SOuthern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon.
OR, something of a similar scale in impact and duration.
I can't imagine what that would be. Neither has any other of the few libs that have tried to seriously support their position on this Myth.
I suspect you think more of the southern strategy than it actually is. The GOP already has those whites. Their every policy is anti black/poor. Sometimes its not as obvious. Do I need to explain that too?
No no. There is too much for me to explain. I'm not letting you drag me into explaining it all and debating it all with you. I know what I know, you know what you know. 200 pages later aint gonna change your mind or mine.
....
The GOP did NOT have those whites in 68 when Nixon supposedly started the "Southern Strategy".
So what did he "do" to get them?
Every policy is anti-black? LOL! be serious!
Have you never considered this seriously before? Never once questioned what you were told?
You're not going to change my mind, if all you can say is "I know".
You might change your mind if you try to defend your belief system and completely fail.
I could tell you what some other libs have said, and how I demolished their attempts.
Would you like to start there?
Might save you some work.
It's not about me. It's about your complete inability to make your case.
I mean when I asked you to support your belief in the Southern Strategy you posted that Nixon legalized abortion, then some code word stuff right after I told you not to do that, and then some accusations of GWBush doing push polls.
I mean, come on.
Now, you're at work. YOu might be telling yourself that when you have some uninterrupted time tonight you can do better.
Go with that. Focus on work while you are at work, and then when you come home just review Nixon or the Southern Strategy.
IF it's real, it shouldn't be hard to find how he got tens of millions of voters to flip parties.
It's got to be BIG...
Hey, this might help. Imagine what you would have to do to flip it BACK for the dems today.
It should give you an idea of what to look for historically.
Best of luck!
Here is what authors on your side say:
This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse, and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy." This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South, but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs, rather of overt resistance to racial integration, and that the story of this backlash is a national, rather than a strictly southern one.
In other words whites got defensive to segregation. They weren't overtly racist about it. And that it wasn't just the south.
Can you show me any conservative authors or links that back up what you are suggesting? Which I don't even know what you are suggesting. What are you suggesting? That civil rights had nothing to do with whites leaving the Democratic party?
Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members â and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a âSouthern strategyâ that championed âstatesâ rights.â
Itâs an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book âThe End of Southern Exceptionalism,â Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however â and hereâs the surprise â even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)
The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didnât.
To be sure, Shafer says, many whites in the South aggressively opposed liberal Democrats on race issues. âBut when folks went to the polling booths,â he says, âthey didnât shoot off their own toes. They voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences.â Shafer says these results should give liberals hope. âIf Southern politics is about class and not race,â he says, âthen they can get it back.â
I guess you know better than the head of the RNC.No because you aren't convincing at all.Do I really have to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the Southern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon?You link me to the Huffington Post?
This is the first sentence I read.
"Republican futility is fueled by vapid intellectual disdain exhibited towards vision, wisdom, and long-term thinking, and a rejection of the foundational tenets of scientific inquiry. "
Seriously? You expect me to take that seriously?
I specified earlier that the "people" who told me that Working CLass whites, like my family were "racist" were the libs in the Media, from newspapers, magazines and books.
I never gave any thought to their race, I was discussing their ideas, which did not match with my observations of reality.
THe topic, at this point is your support of your claim about the Southern Strategy.
You will need to show policies designed by Nixon to appeal to the SOuthern Racists, and that those policies have been part of every GOP platform since then, as the Southern Strategy has supposedly been in operation since Nixon.
OR, something of a similar scale in impact and duration.
I can't imagine what that would be. Neither has any other of the few libs that have tried to seriously support their position on this Myth.
I suspect you think more of the southern strategy than it actually is. The GOP already has those whites. Their every policy is anti black/poor. Sometimes its not as obvious. Do I need to explain that too?
No no. There is too much for me to explain. I'm not letting you drag me into explaining it all and debating it all with you. I know what I know, you know what you know. 200 pages later aint gonna change your mind or mine.
....
The GOP did NOT have those whites in 68 when Nixon supposedly started the "Southern Strategy".
So what did he "do" to get them?
Every policy is anti-black? LOL! be serious!
Have you never considered this seriously before? Never once questioned what you were told?
You're not going to change my mind, if all you can say is "I know".
You might change your mind if you try to defend your belief system and completely fail.
I could tell you what some other libs have said, and how I demolished their attempts.
Would you like to start there?
Might save you some work.
It's not about me. It's about your complete inability to make your case.
I mean when I asked you to support your belief in the Southern Strategy you posted that Nixon legalized abortion, then some code word stuff right after I told you not to do that, and then some accusations of GWBush doing push polls.
I mean, come on.
Now, you're at work. YOu might be telling yourself that when you have some uninterrupted time tonight you can do better.
Go with that. Focus on work while you are at work, and then when you come home just review Nixon or the Southern Strategy.
IF it's real, it shouldn't be hard to find how he got tens of millions of voters to flip parties.
It's got to be BIG...
Hey, this might help. Imagine what you would have to do to flip it BACK for the dems today.
It should give you an idea of what to look for historically.
Best of luck!
The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South," particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, has made it difficult for the Republican Party to win the support of black voters in the south in later years. In 2005,Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.
In 2005,Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.Sorry if you don't like the source
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
FACT SHEET:
Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain âThe Fag Candidate.â In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain âthe fag candidate.â Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed âeven as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldnât hire openly gay people for his administration.â
McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.â
Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCainâs Temper.
âA smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.â
Bush Supporters Questioned McCainâs Sanity.
âSome of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.â
Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCainâs Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a âblack child.â The McCainsâ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresaâs orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains âare still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.â
Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as âsuggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,â according to the New Yorker.
After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightowerâs involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that âMcCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.â (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, ânose to noseâ according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had âharmed his reputation,â Slater later noted. But according to one witness, âWhat was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.â
Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingoldâs Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnellâs effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, âsources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.â
Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCainâs positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bushâs Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCainâs role in the S&L crisis.
Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bushâs South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not âpush polls.â Eskew added, âShow me a baseless comment in those questions.â
Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as âManchurian Candidate.â
âIn the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with âthe Manchurian Candidate.ââ
Sampley Called McCain a âCowardâ and a Traitor.
âSampley⌠accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.â
A mix of unproven accusations mixed with filler. Push Polls? REally? THat is crappy.
That is not the Southern Strategy.
What policies of Bush's was aimed at pandering to White Racists, specifically in the South?
Are you calling the head of the RNC a liar?
Libs can't point to one example of Nixon pandering to SOuthern Racist that doe not boil down to "code word" bullshit.
The SOuthern Strategy is a myth.
So Nixon's people admitting their was a Southern Strategy means there really wasn't one?
Focus.
THe lib Myth of the Southern Strategy claims that in one very important regard that the Party HAS NOT CHANGED.
If you are going to back up your claim that I am wrong, you need to demonstrate a long standing policy of pandering to Racists White Southerns.
You've been doing it since 1964, when Barry "Deep Down you KNow he's Nuts" Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and won five Southern States.
Then Nixon pandered to the racists in the Southern Strategy trying to pick up the Wallace votes.
Finally, Reagan talked about Welfare Queens and Young Bucks and Bush-41 showed us scary pictures of "Willie Horton" who never called himself Willie.
And another link showing the Southern Strategy was a democrat lie....
Red state article on Southern strategy mythâŚ..detailedâŚ.good look
Red State? Seriously?
Look, man, if you want to unwind the last 50 years of your racism, maybe you can start by not trying to snatch food out of the mouths of poor black children and not kneejerk support every thug cop who shoots an unarmed black child.
But don't try to pull the "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" trick. Because that never works.
