Most people don't even know what a "Public Option" is.

[toomuchtime_]

Wow, perhaps this is part of the problem:

In a poll done by the AARP, only 37% of respondents actually knew what a "public option" was:

Actually, that 37% didn't know what the public option was. Since the bill creating the public option would allow the government to sell national insurance policies without allowing private companies to do the same, it would give the government a monopoly in this market despite the fact that private insurance companies would still be allowed to sell a product that was somewhat similar but not portable from state to state. If the Dems really wanted the public option to compete with private insurance on an equal basis, it would allow private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, too.

Since the bill will set uniform standards for for all health insurance policies and since Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce, there are no impediments to the bill authorizing private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, as the public option would, in addition to the policies they now provide if the Dems truly intended the public option to compete with private insurance rather than to replace it.

 

[Care4all]

Wow, perhaps this is part of the problem:

In a poll done by the AARP, only 37% of respondents actually knew what a "public option" was:

Actually, that 37% didn't know what the public option was. Since the bill creating the public option would allow the government to sell national insurance policies without allowing private companies to do the same, it would give the government a monopoly in this market despite the fact that private insurance companies would still be allowed to sell a product that was somewhat similar but not portable from state to state. If the Dems really wanted the public option to compete with private insurance on an equal basis, it would allow private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, too.

Since the bill will set uniform standards for for all health insurance policies and since Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce, there are no impediments to the bill authorizing private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, as the public option would, in addition to the policies they now provide if the Dems truly intended the public option to compete with private insurance rather than to replace it.

simply not true.... too much time, you need to read the legislation on this that has been posted...

the public option DOES NOT ALLOW the gvt to create a National plan, the bill specifically mentions that these public options will have to be set up within each state following each state's rules and regs like all other private insurance plans....similar to a non profit coop insurance plan, this is limited to within each state.

I think all insurance companies need to be made available nationwide!!! Of course, that would be the federal gvt usurping the power given to the State though....i still think it should be done...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

How the hell are people supposed to respond to polls on whether they approve of a public option when they don't know what it is?

I think a public option will lead to nationalized health care (single payer health care) but it is not nationalized health care at its outset

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...lead-to-single-payer-government-run-care.html

So don't many democrats
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc]YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98]YouTube - Single Payer Action Confronts Barney Frank[/ame]


and so does the president


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wow, perhaps this is part of the problem:

In a poll done by the AARP, only 37% of respondents actually knew what a "public option" was:

Actually, that 37% didn't know what the public option was. Since the bill creating the public option would allow the government to sell national insurance policies without allowing private companies to do the same, it would give the government a monopoly in this market despite the fact that private insurance companies would still be allowed to sell a product that was somewhat similar but not portable from state to state. If the Dems really wanted the public option to compete with private insurance on an equal basis, it would allow private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, too.

Since the bill will set uniform standards for for all health insurance policies and since Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce, there are no impediments to the bill authorizing private insurance companies to sell national insurance policies, as the public option would, in addition to the policies they now provide if the Dems truly intended the public option to compete with private insurance rather than to replace it.

simply not true.... too much time, you need to read the legislation on this that has been posted...

the public option DOES NOT ALLOW the gvt to create a National plan, the bill specifically mentions that these public options will have to be set up within each state following each state's rules and regs like all other private insurance plans....similar to a non profit coop insurance plan, this is limited to within each state.

I think all insurance companies need to be made available nationwide!!! Of course, that would be the federal gvt usurping the power given to the State though....i still think it should be done...

I think you are confusing two issues here. Referring back to HR 3200, the Secretary of HHS will establish a cost basis for insurance each state and the exchanges, if the state insists, will be partly or completely run by the state if the state agrees to abide by federal regulations, but the policy sold in Maine will still be that same policy honored if you were to move to California, but the premium would be different because of the different costs and claim experiences in the two states.

Check pages 12 and 13 of the following link to a Congressional Research Service report for a clear description of the public option, and notice there is nothing about the public plan having to abide by state regulations. The description of the exchange structure begins on page 10.

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40724_20090727.pdf

 

[Oddball]

How the hell are people supposed to respond to polls on whether they approve of a public option when they don't know what it is?

I think a public option will lead to nationalized health care (single payer health care) but it is not nationalized health care at its outset

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...lead-to-single-payer-government-run-care.html

So don't many democrats
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc]YouTube - Proof Positive the Public Option Will Lead to Single Payer[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98]YouTube - Single Payer Action Confronts Barney Frank[/ame]


and so does the president


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk]YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance[/ame]

See: Fabian socialism.

 

[DiveCon]

do good in every opportunity...would be the first thing that comes to mind...

Christ's entire ministry was to the poor, and you are asking me to show you something?

Christ came in to jeruselum on a donkey, not as a king with jewels, for the poor....

Not once did he ever tell us to do good in all that we do and help the needy whenever we see them in need, except you can be evil and ignore them when it comes to your government...

There is room for both dive....there is not enough charity out there to help all of those in need....not even close.

Ideally we get the economy going and the poor will become less poor and move up with the rest....not happening now and it has never been regulated in a manner that protects the least among us...but the most wealthiest among us....new bankruptcy laws are a good example of that...

That's how i view it..

and was he talking about the government, or the individual christian?

And didnt he also say "the poor will be with you always"?

bingo, that quote has everything to do with the presence of jesus christ with the apostles at that particular time and nothing to do with your silly inference.

If you deny the poor, bingo, you deny the christ.

True story.

liar

 

[MajikMyst]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

you forgot to put abortion under matthew 5:21

And the Public option will lead to single payer government run universal health care according to the president and those he surrounds himself with.

 

[DiveCon]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

you are so wrong on all that
but you can continue to be wrong
cause i dont give a rats ass about you
so fuck off

 

[Chris]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

you forgot to put abortion under matthew 5:21

And the Public option will lead to single payer government run universal health care according to the president and those he surrounds himself with.

I hope so.

Every other industrialized nation has national health insurance, and they pay HALF what we pay for healthcare.

Of course Medicare is a gubbermint run healthcare and nobody is speaking out against it.

 

[DiveCon]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

you forgot to put abortion under matthew 5:21

And the Public option will lead to single payer government run universal health care according to the president and those he surrounds himself with.

I hope so.

Every other industrialized nation has national health insurance, and they pay HALF what we pay for healthcare.

Of course Medicare is a gubbermint run healthcare and nobody is speaking out against it.

and medicare take nearly 4 people paying in to support 1 person on it

 

[Oddball]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

 

[Chris]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

 

[DiveCon]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

and we already HAVE that
so we dont need obamacare

no, liberalism is the codification of selfishness
they only want to help people when its someone OTHER than them footing the bill

 

[Oddball]

So Dive? You never answered my questions earlier?? Are you denying the fact that Christ wants to help people?? You keep saying that Christians are commanded to do so yet, I don't see that in any of the 10 commandments.. Have you read any of the bible or just try to pretend you have?

Care is not the liar here..

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

The issue here is how wrong Christians are on so many issues.. Including this one..

So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]

Look!! That is the golden rule!! You know that one right??

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

Thanks for not answering the question, dipshit.

Truth is that there is no such passage. And besides that, what happened to the left's seemingly ubiquitous screeching about the separation of church and state?....Seems that one goes by the boards whenever they want to hide behind the Bible to pimp for their beloved socialistic welfare state.

 

[Care4all]

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

Thanks for not answering the question, dipshit.

Truth is that there is no such passage. And besides that, what happened to the left's seemingly ubiquitous screeching about the separation of church and state?....Seems that one goes by the boards whenever they want to hide behind the Bible to pimp for their beloved socialistic welfare state.

You have a good point, when it comes to what is being presented on this thread about what Jesus would object to or not object to...

but taking care of the needy is not any kind of Church Doctrine....like Jesus is the Son of God, or Jesus died for your sins, or you must be Baptized via dunking, or at Birth. or the God of Abraham given praise by our government over other religions, or anything that involves forcing ones religious doctrine, religious beliefs, mystery of faiths on to the gvt or the people....

Even some Atheists believe that as a Nation, we are only as strong, as the least among us....this is about being humane some believe... in many cases and not about some religious mandate...of some certain religion.

As you can see, there are many who are religious that don't agree with this, while many don't mind at all and feel this is the way they should be living their lives...this alone shows that it is not a conflict between the State and religion...it is a conflict among the religious and religions and atheists and agnostics and gnostic and who knows whom else....oh i know...it is a conflict among citizens in the united states...

And although these threads have been nonstop lately on what would jesus do, I truly don't believe this is the reasoning for actually having things like social security, medicare, affordable health care etc....though Jesus's life and words are undoubtedly an influence on some Christians on what the right thing to do in their secular life is...

I think that's how I view it...

care

 

[Chris]

Where is the chapter and verse that tells you to take resources from your neighbor by force to pay for your faux compasion?

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

Thanks for not answering the question, dipshit.

Truth is that there is no such passage. And besides that, what happened to the left's seemingly ubiquitous screeching about the separation of church and state?....Seems that one goes by the boards whenever they want to hide behind the Bible to pimp for their beloved socialistic welfare state.

Your personal insults say more about you as a person than they do about me.

Taking care of the old and the sick is the right thing to do and having a single payer system is cheaper and more fair.

And the applicable passage in the Bible is "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy soul, and your neighbor as yourself."

When my neighbor gets cancer, I want him to have help. I don't want him to go bankrupt or be unable to pay his health insurance premiums because he is going through chemotherapy.

 

[Oddball]

Your absence of anything of substance in your posts is worth no more effort than pointing out what a mental midget you are.

Your declarations of victory only serve to underscore your mental midgetry.

 

[DiveCon]

Having a government insurance program to help the old and the sick is the right thing to do.

It really is just that simple.

But conservatism is just the political codification of selfishness.

Thanks for not answering the question, dipshit.

Truth is that there is no such passage. And besides that, what happened to the left's seemingly ubiquitous screeching about the separation of church and state?....Seems that one goes by the boards whenever they want to hide behind the Bible to pimp for their beloved socialistic welfare state.

You have a good point, when it comes to what is being presented on this thread about what Jesus would object to or not object to...

but taking care of the needy is not any kind of Church Doctrine....like Jesus is the Son of God, or Jesus died for your sins, or you must be Baptized via dunking, or at Birth. or the God of Abraham given praise by our government over other religions, or anything that involves forcing ones religious doctrine, religious beliefs, mystery of faiths on to the gvt or the people....

Even some Atheists believe that as a Nation, we are only as strong, as the least among us....this is about being humane some believe... in many cases and not about some religious mandate...of some certain religion.

As you can see, there are many who are religious that don't agree with this, while many don't mind at all and feel this is the way they should be living their lives...this alone shows that it is not a conflict between the State and religion...it is a conflict among the religious and religions and atheists and agnostics and gnostic and who knows whom else....oh i know...it is a conflict among citizens in the united states...

And although these threads have been nonstop lately on what would jesus do, I truly don't believe this is the reasoning for actually having things like social security, medicare, affordable health care etc....though Jesus's life and words are undoubtedly an influence on some Christians on what the right thing to do in their secular life is...

I think that's how I view it...

care

wow, i wouldn't want to go to any of the churches you learned that from
because every church i have attended has stressed the importance of taking care of the poor and the sick, just not having the GOVERNMENT do what YOU were commanded to do

 

[Chris]

Your absence of anything of substance in your posts is worth no more effort than pointing out what a mental midget you are.

Your declarations of victory only serve to underscore your mental midgetry.

Victory will come when people in this country don't go bankrupt because they get cancer.