No Longer David:*The State of Israel As Goliath

[Kondor3]

"Massacring 344 children in Cast Lead..."

"Massacring" or merely the party proximally responsible for the deaths of 344 children, many or most as unintended collateral casualties, and spread across the region being contested and over three weeks of operations?

And that's not even subtracting the large numbers of children whose families lived in close proximity to war-assets (rocket-launchers, operational bases, sniper-posts, weapons caches, headquarters and leadership cadre) which Hamas had so callously and cynically embedded amongst its own civilian population in de facto if not de jure violation of the Geneva Conventions and protocols governing the use of human shields and other similar positioning in order to discourage enemy fire against those assets.

Gaza is one of the most densely populated enclaves on the planet.

So the claim the Freedom Fighters are hiding behind human shields is ludicrous. ..

Sorry.

I call bullshit.

All one need do is to go to the Google search engine, type-in Gaza, and zoom-in and out of the full-screen satellite imagery readily accessible online.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of farm-fields and patches of wasteland on which to shuffle-around rocket launchers and the like.

And there are plenty of places in the southern portion of Gaza, further from the Israelis, in which to chase-out civilians and to move-in weapons-caches and operational bases and headquarters.

Not to mention failing to make good provision for shifting civilians around when Hamas move war-assets into a neighborhood, in order to put as much distance between those assets and civilians as possible.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in a strictly Legal sense, would, quite possibly, be incorrect, given that there is little or no evidence that Hamas has forced/compelled those civilians to remain nearby those war-assets once they've been moved-in, however, given that they have no place to go, if Hamas does not find safe alternative quarters for them, for the duration of the time that those assets are positioned nearby, that's just about as good as being 'forced' to remain next-door anyway, for all practical intents and purposes.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in an ethical and practical sense, would, quite possibly, be entirely accurate and correct, insofar as they cynically and intentionally embed war-assets within civilian neighborhoods with the express hope that the proximity of such civilians will minimize the chances of an IDF strike against such assets...

Ludicrous?

Hardly.

Accurate and truthful?

Absolutely.

Next slide, please.

And, of course, they can always stop firing rockets against the Israelis altogether, eh?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza is one of the most densely populated enclaves on the planet.

So the claim the Freedom Fighters are hiding behind human shields is ludicrous. ..

Then why don't the soldaten move the civilians away from the fighting like civilized armies do? Any particular reason for herding women and children around "fighting men"?

The 'Human Shield' claim is just another IDF lie so that they can bomb indiscriminately and carry out their genocide on the Palestinian people. .

Bill Moyers grills Goldstone.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iya6reWxxg0]Bill Moyers: Richard Goldstone's (1) UN Report on Israel / Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM4x_YCJppg]Bill Moyers: Richard Goldstone's (2) UN Report on Israel / Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD-SFXpXqGU]Bill Moyers: Richard Goldstone's (3) UN Report on Israel / Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6CAYrANXSI]Bill Moyers: Richard Goldstone's (4) UN Report on Israel / Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZfvC0_7vs]Bill Moyers: Richard Goldstone's (5) UN Report on Israel / Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Billo_Really]

Sorry.

I call bullshit.

All one need do is to go to the Google search engine, type-in Gaza, and zoom-in and out of the full-screen satellite imagery readily accessible online.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of farm-fields and patches of wasteland on which to shuffle-around rocket launchers and the like.

And there are plenty of places in the southern portion of Gaza, further from the Israelis, in which to chase-out civilians and to move-in weapons-caches and operational bases and headquarters.

Not to mention failing to make good provision for shifting civilians around when Hamas move war-assets into a neighborhood, in order to put as much distance between those assets and civilians as possible.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in a strictly Legal sense, would, quite possibly, be incorrect, given that there is little or no evidence that Hamas has forced/compelled those civilians to remain nearby those war-assets once they've been moved-in, however, given that they have no place to go, if Hamas does not find safe alternative quarters for them, for the duration of the time that those assets are positioned nearby, that's just about as good as being 'forced' to remain next-door anyway, for all practical intents and purposes.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in an ethical and practical sense, would, quite possibly, be entirely accurate and correct, insofar as they cynically and intentionally embed war-assets within civilian neighborhoods with the express hope that the proximity of such civilians will minimize the chances of an IDF strike against such assets...

Ludicrous?

Hardly.

Accurate and truthful?

Absolutely.

Next slide, please.

And, of course, they can always stop firing rockets against the Israelis altogether, eh?

And just what is your position on the IDF's use of "johnnies"?

 

[Sunni Man]

"Massacring" or merely the party proximally responsible for the deaths of 344 children, many or most as unintended collateral casualties, and spread across the region being contested and over three weeks of operations?

And that's not even subtracting the large numbers of children whose families lived in close proximity to war-assets (rocket-launchers, operational bases, sniper-posts, weapons caches, headquarters and leadership cadre) which Hamas had so callously and cynically embedded amongst its own civilian population in de facto if not de jure violation of the Geneva Conventions and protocols governing the use of human shields and other similar positioning in order to discourage enemy fire against those assets.

Gaza is one of the most densely populated enclaves on the planet.

So the claim the Freedom Fighters are hiding behind human shields is ludicrous. ..

All one need do is to go to the Google search engine, type-in Gaza, and zoom-in and out of the full-screen satellite imagery readily accessible online.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of farm-fields and patches of wasteland on which to shuffle-around rocket launchers and the like.

And there are plenty of places in the southern portion of Gaza, further from the Israelis, in which to chase-out civilians and to move-in weapons-caches and operational bases and headquarters.

Not to mention failing to make good provision for shifting civilians around when Hamas move war-assets into a neighborhood, in order to put as much distance between those assets and civilians as possible.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in a strictly Legal sense, would, quite possibly, be incorrect, given that there is little or no evidence that Hamas has forced/compelled those civilians to remain nearby those war-assets once they've been moved-in, however, given that they have no place to go, if Hamas does not find safe alternative quarters for them, for the duration of the time that those assets are positioned nearby, that's just about as good as being 'forced' to remain next-door anyway, for all practical intents and purposes.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in an ethical and practical sense, would, quite possibly, be entirely accurate and correct, insofar as they cynically and intentionally embed war-assets within civilian neighborhoods with the express hope that the proximity of such civilians will minimize the chances of an IDF strike against such assets...

.............^^^ You sound exactly like the Israeli juden parsing terms and obscuring the facts with pseudo legal nonsense.

The bare truth is that Israel is a fascist apartheid state hell bent on committing genocide on the Palestinian people in order to steal the remaining land. .

 

[Hollie]

Gaza is one of the most densely populated enclaves on the planet.

So the claim the Freedom Fighters are hiding behind human shields is ludicrous. ..

All one need do is to go to the Google search engine, type-in Gaza, and zoom-in and out of the full-screen satellite imagery readily accessible online.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of farm-fields and patches of wasteland on which to shuffle-around rocket launchers and the like.

And there are plenty of places in the southern portion of Gaza, further from the Israelis, in which to chase-out civilians and to move-in weapons-caches and operational bases and headquarters.

Not to mention failing to make good provision for shifting civilians around when Hamas move war-assets into a neighborhood, in order to put as much distance between those assets and civilians as possible.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in a strictly Legal sense, would, quite possibly, be incorrect, given that there is little or no evidence that Hamas has forced/compelled those civilians to remain nearby those war-assets once they've been moved-in, however, given that they have no place to go, if Hamas does not find safe alternative quarters for them, for the duration of the time that those assets are positioned nearby, that's just about as good as being 'forced' to remain next-door anyway, for all practical intents and purposes.

To say that Hamas uses Human Shields, in an ethical and practical sense, would, quite possibly, be entirely accurate and correct, insofar as they cynically and intentionally embed war-assets within civilian neighborhoods with the express hope that the proximity of such civilians will minimize the chances of an IDF strike against such assets...

.............^^^ You sound exactly like the Israeli juden parsing terms and obscuring the facts with pseudo legal nonsense.

The bare truth is that Israel is a fascist apartheid state hell bent on committing genocide on the Palestinian people in order to steal the remaining land. .

"Genocide" on an expanding population of beggars and squatters?

You have simply co-opted the nonsense that Sherri screeches on about.

 

[Billo_Really]

"Genocide" on an expanding population of beggars and squatters?

You have simply co-opted the nonsense that Sherri screeches on about.

Which is a lot better than your no sense.

 

[Sally]

My dear Terrorist Lover (and that includers Mrs. Sherri who lapped up your post and had to thank you), a wife of a career military man is certainly a good American.

Just because a military guy picked you up at brothel and married you so that you wouldn't have to stay in that sordid lifestyle.

Doesn't make you now some kind of super patriotic American. .

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[Kondor3]

"...You sound exactly like the Israeli juden parsing terms and obscuring the facts with pseudo legal nonsense. The bare truth is that Israel is a fascist apartheid state hell bent on committing genocide on the Palestinian people in order to steal the remaining land."

Translation:

"OK, Kondor, you called bullshit on my protestations that there was no place other than embedded within populated zones, in which to position rocket launchers and other assets, and, to my misfortune, you presented a cogent argument that there was, indeed, much empty land available in which to position such war-assets without Hamas risking their civilian population."

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[Kondor3]

"And just what is your position on the IDF's use of 'johnnies'?"

I don't know what a 'johnny' is in this context but I am guessing that you are referring to the use of Human Shields by the IDF? If true, then, I find that equally reprehensible.

 

[Billo_Really]

"And just what is your position on the IDF's use of 'johnnies'?"

I don't know what a 'johnny' is in this context but I am guessing that you are referring to the use of Human Shields by the IDF? If true, then, I find that equally reprehensible.

Allow me to enlighten you on what a "johnnie" is, from the boots on the ground that use them...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”

...BTW, it's nice to see you condemn both sides for using these tactics, even though there is no evidence Hamas has deliberately done this. The Goldstone Report did mention that Hamas could've of done more to protect civilians, but didn't find any evidence where they deliberately put them in harms way.

 

[Hollie]

"Genocide" on an expanding population of beggars and squatters?

You have simply co-opted the nonsense that Sherri screeches on about.

Which is a lot better than your no sense.

WhIch is your way of sidestepping as you're unable to make a coherent argument.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Allow me to enlighten you..."

Human Shield and front-line combat-zone Gofer; figured it was sumfin' like that.

"...even though there is no evidence Hamas has deliberately done this..."

Hamas has deliberately and routinely positioned war-assets right alongside civilian living quarters and facilities, and there is a TON of evidence along THOSE lines.

Such positioning is ALSO against the Geneva Convention and constitutes the use of their civilians as DE FACTO Human Shields it not DE JURE ones.

And with their OWN PEOPLE, no less, rather than the Enemy - risking civilian men, women and children, young and old, indiscriminately, and on a COLOSSAL scale compared to the occasional individual Johnny put under compulsion by some wrong-headed IDF squad leader...

 

[Billo_Really]

Human Shield and front-line combat-zone Gofer; figured it was sumfin' like that.

Hamas has deliberately and routinely positioned war-assets right alongside civilian living quarters and facilities, and there is a TON of evidence along THOSE lines.

Such positioning is ALSO against the Geneva Convention and constitutes the use of their civilians as DE FACTO Human Shields it not DE JURE ones.

And with their OWN PEOPLE, no less, rather than the Enemy - risking civilian men, women and children, young and old, indiscriminately, and on a COLOSSAL scale compared to the occasional individual Johnny put under compulsion by some wrong-headed IDF squad leader...

Then why don't you "pony up" that ton of evidence?

 

[Billo_Really]

WhIch is your way of sidestepping as you're unable to make a coherent argument.

I've made several, which you're unable to rebut.

 

[Hollie]

WhIch is your way of sidestepping as you're unable to make a coherent argument.

I've made several, which you're unable to rebut.

You give yourself credit for nothing.

 

[Kondor3]

"...You have been reported..."

No doubt.

In any event, if Sunni Man is allowed to cast sexual innuendo in the direction of Sally and her husband without let or hinderance, then, it should be equally permissible to counterpoint on that same level, casting similar innuendo at Sunni and his clan.

What's good for the goose...

 

[Billo_Really]

You give yourself credit for nothing.

I'm just stating a fact.

As an example, I told you I could show an Israeli military action that caused any rocket attack you can name. To date, you're unable to name any.

 

[Billo_Really]

No doubt.

All you had to do was ask.

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[Hollie]

You give yourself credit for nothing.

I'm just stating a fact.

As an example, I told you I could show an Israeli military action that caused any rocket attack you can name. To date, you're unable to name any.

That's so silly. You were instructed to make a list substantiating your claims and you failed to do so.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's so silly. You were instructed to make a list substantiating your claims and you failed to do so.

Not true. You told me to make a list, because you couldn't come up with a rocket attack to justify your claim. You did that because you didn't want people to see you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.