no tax return, no place on ballot

[Ray From Cleveland]

First we will note, it is as I said, paid for, not "Free" like you and others yell. Secondly this is just a slight variation of what we have now. You get a loan and pay it over time. With this plan there is no loan but the vast majority after getting their degree will participate in the markets, where they fund the system.

It's not free, I quoted you that it comes from someone else's pocket, that makes it unfree. And it comes from my stock purchases and anyone else who purchases stock and makes a buck. shit dude, you swallowed the hook. you think things are free. too funny...

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And yet their tax rate was at 90% in the 50’s and as of now, they are wealthier than ever before. Of course they could afford it.

Except for the fact nobody ever paid 90%. Why would you earn a million dollars if you had to give it all to the government? If the tax rate was 70%, and your local taxes are another 20%, it makes no sense to create income. Only Communists and Socialists would approve something that stupid.

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

Look, I know you're a socialist, and therefore completely disconnected from reality -- the only people further afield are Communists and anarcho-Communists -- but do you really want the government deciding whose healthcare is too expensive to pay for?

Proponents of socialized medicine claim it's only doctors who make those decisions. That, of course, is utter nonsense. The bean counters rule. And if the deem your treatment is too expensive, you will die. If you're lucky, maybe they'll give you painkillers to make your death less agonizing.

Agreed. So let's say they are able to give us government healthcare. Now there are no longer any private insurance companies to compete against them. The government will have you by the balls.

We all know there are good doctors and bad ones. We all know there are good hospitals and clinics and not so good ones. So if we all end up on government healthcare, we would all want the best doctors and surgeons, would't we?

So who and how do we decide who gets what? After all, the good doctors and facilities can't take care of the entire country!

As usual, Democrats would make politics out of it. For the most part, the people in lower income areas might be getting our doctors we working people have. The middle-class and upper middle-class where most of the Republicans are would end up with the metro places and crappy doctors.

If there is anything Democrats have made obvious, it's that they make politics out of anything, and they can't be trusted with anything yet alone our healthcare.

 

[pknopp]

It's not free, I quoted you that it comes from someone else's pocket, that makes it unfree. And it comes from my stock purchases and anyone else who purchases stock and makes a buck. shit dude, you swallowed the hook. you think things are free. too funny...

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

A ten year old article about Japan working to slim people down? That's a bad thing?

 

[jc456]

First we will note, it is as I said, paid for, not "Free" like you and others yell. Secondly this is just a slight variation of what we have now. You get a loan and pay it over time. With this plan there is no loan but the vast majority after getting their degree will participate in the markets, where they fund the system.

It's not free, I quoted you that it comes from someone else's pocket, that makes it unfree. And it comes from my stock purchases and anyone else who purchases stock and makes a buck. shit dude, you swallowed the hook. you think things are free. too funny...

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

They aren’t legitimate, why?

 

[jc456]

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

A ten year old article about Japan working to slim people down? That's a bad thing?

Government in anything is unacceptable

 

[pknopp]

It's not free, I quoted you that it comes from someone else's pocket, that makes it unfree. And it comes from my stock purchases and anyone else who purchases stock and makes a buck. shit dude, you swallowed the hook. you think things are free. too funny...

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

They aren’t legitimate, why?

Very partisan. If I use something like Media Matters feel free to ignore it also.

 

[jc456]

And do you know what that plan is? Tax the wealthy at 70%. How many people would earn that kind of money if they were going to give most of it to the government? HIs plan would put us in a recession we could never get out of until the Democrats were out of leadership and the Republicans took over.

If the tax rate were 0%, the federal government would collect 0 dollars. If the tax rate were 100%, the federal government would still collect 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to create wealth?

And yet their tax rate was at 90% in the 50’s and as of now, they are wealthier than ever before. Of course they could afford it.

Except for the fact nobody ever paid 90%. Why would you earn a million dollars if you had to give it all to the government? If the tax rate was 70%, and your local taxes are another 20%, it makes no sense to create income. Only Communists and Socialists would approve something that stupid.

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

So why were you crying about the tax cuts that penalized the rich? You’re confused

 

[jc456]

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

They aren’t legitimate, why?

Very partisan. If I use something like Media Matters feel free to ignore it also.

CNN isn’t? ABC isn’t? Fk dude were you just hatched?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

A ten year old article about Japan working to slim people down? That's a bad thing?

It is when government forces you to do it. Until the Democrats take over and Fup this country, at least now you have the freedom to be in any shape you desire.

But the story is just an example of what happens when government has that kind of control. They can dictate what you eat (Michelle Obama), what you can smoke (Al Gore), what you can drink and how much of it you can drink (Bloomberg), dictate your weight, how much exercise you must have, how fast your car is allowed to go, and maybe even outlaw motorcycles altogether.

Democrats are control freaks. We all know that, and they have been trying to gain more and more control over the people in this country. The two things stopping them from total control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two industries, they will be able to have total control over all of us.

 

[daveman]

Like "nobody making less than 250K a year will see a tax increase of any kind; no new taxes?"

Show me a politician that hasn't lied, and I'll show you a waitress that refuses to accept tips.

I've noted this before......yes, just like that. Obama lied constantly and I will never make excuses for his lies. I will argue that it was Obama's lies that directly led to Trump getting elected.

I noted before, I do not know a lie Sanders has told. When I said this before I was presented with fringe websites that simply disagreed with him.

who pays for all of his freebies then? If someone is paying, then they're not free and that is all a lie.

Yes, the idea that they are "free" is a lie. Bernie has a program to pay for everything he proposed.

Bernie ain't paying for shit. He has a program to force other people to pay for everything he proposed.

As far as I know he pays taxes also.

Do you think he pays trillions in taxes? No?

Then he's forcing other people to pay for his promises. At least try not to be stupid.

 

[jc456]

Except for the fact nobody ever paid 90%. Why would you earn a million dollars if you had to give it all to the government? If the tax rate was 70%, and your local taxes are another 20%, it makes no sense to create income. Only Communists and Socialists would approve something that stupid.

The effective rate would still apply today. Nobody would pay up to 70%. Hell right now 2/3 of corporations don’t pay any federal taxes effectively.

If they aren't going to pay 70%, then his plan can't get funded now can it?

Currently Medicare costs us about 750 billion dollars per year, and only 15% of our population is on it. That means it would cost us over six times that amount every year for everybody to be covered. And as Congressman Delaney pointed out, many of the hospitals would close and many doctors would leave the industry.

What you don't understand is that the government only pays for part of the cost for care of their patients. My experience is about 80%. They make up the loss through private pay and insurance payments. This is why when you see facilities close up, it's usually in poorer neighborhoods where most of the patients are government clients. There is no way for them to recoup those government losses.

So with Bernie's plan for starters, it would cost us 4.5 trillion a year which is more than what we spend on everything now, and we're adding to the debt because of it. To keep those hospitals and doctors we currently have, it would cost us an extra 20%. That puts us well over 5 trillion a year, and we still need to fund all our other social programs and defense of this country.

Now tell me that's going to work.

It can get funded because he would close loopholes and deductions to make it work. Either way, the effective tax rate is the 50’s was higher and the world didn’t collapse did it?

Why would the doctors quit? Why would the hospitals close? Based on what? You also forget that we pay per capita more than any nation in the world on earth on healthcare. A socialized system would save us money.

Look, I know you're a socialist, and therefore completely disconnected from reality -- the only people further afield are Communists and anarcho-Communists -- but do you really want the government deciding whose healthcare is too expensive to pay for?

Proponents of socialized medicine claim it's only doctors who make those decisions. That, of course, is utter nonsense. The bean counters rule. And if the deem your treatment is too expensive, you will die. If you're lucky, maybe they'll give you painkillers to make your death less agonizing.

Agreed. So let's say they are able to give us government healthcare. Now there are no longer any private insurance companies to compete against them. The government will have you by the balls.

We all know there are good doctors and bad ones. We all know there are good hospitals and clinics and not so good ones. So if we all end up on government healthcare, we would all want the best doctors and surgeons, would't we?

So who and how do we decide who gets what? After all, the good doctors and facilities can't take care of the entire country!

As usual, Democrats would make politics out of it. For the most part, the people in lower income areas might be getting our doctors we working people have. The middle-class and upper middle-class where most of the Republicans are would end up with the metro places and crappy doctors.

If there is anything Democrats have made obvious, it's that they make politics out of anything, and they can't be trusted with anything yet alone our healthcare.

Dude, that was a waste of energy. That fker wants 180 million Americans to fking suffer for illegals

 

[daveman]

You are the one yelling "Free Free Free" but when I tell you that is your argument, you want me to prove your argument. I can not.

Sanders pays for his Education program.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforallsummary/?inline=file

Fully Paid for by Imposing a Robin Hood Tax on Wall Street. This legislation is offset by imposing a Wall Street speculation fee on investment houses, hedge funds, and other speculators of 0.5% on stock trades (50 cents for every $100 worth of stock), a 0.1% fee on bonds, and a 0.005% fee on derivatives. It has been estimated that this provision could raise hundreds of billions a year which could be used not only to make tuition free at public colleges and universities in this country, it could also be used to create millions of jobs and rebuild the middle class of this country

The pipe dream, he's always looking to fk the middle class. that's all that will do.

First we will note, it is as I said, paid for, not "Free" like you and others yell. Secondly this is just a slight variation of what we have now. You get a loan and pay it over time. With this plan there is no loan but the vast majority after getting their degree will participate in the markets, where they fund the system.

It's not free, I quoted you that it comes from someone else's pocket, that makes it unfree. And it comes from my stock purchases and anyone else who purchases stock and makes a buck. shit dude, you swallowed the hook. you think things are free. too funny...

And it's not just you purchasing stock. It's retirement fund managers. Bernie's plan will fuck the working class.

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

-- C.S. Lewis

Liberals sure are generous with other people's money.

 

[daveman]

again;

Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up the fastest. Federal law says tax returns are confidential and release without the taxpayers consent is a felony. Neither you or CA has the authority to force a taxpayer to release their returns.

But, here comes the nonsense argument that they can be on the ballot if they just give over those tax returns.

And, I say that states should also refuse to put any non-lawyer on any ballot. We need people to serve who actually understand the law. Not people like Maxine Waters.



.

People who wear sequined cowboy hats should not be on any ballot.

Why in the world would you have anything against this creature of perfect creation? All you Dashboard Sissy Cowboys love sequins.

Hideous.

 

[pknopp]

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

They aren’t legitimate, why?

Very partisan. If I use something like Media Matters feel free to ignore it also.

CNN isn’t? ABC isn’t? Fk dude were you just hatched?

You can argue CNN is. Heck, they handed debate questions to Hillary before the debate. You won't find me defending them.

 

[pknopp]

I'm getting ready to retire. I'm good with helping others. I don't feel as if I'm going to get screwed.

The greatest country on Earth should be able to see to the health needs of the people like the rest of the civilized world does.

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

A ten year old article about Japan working to slim people down? That's a bad thing?

It is when government forces you to do it. Until the Democrats take over and Fup this country, at least now you have the freedom to be in any shape you desire.

But the story is just an example of what happens when government has that kind of control. They can dictate what you eat (Michelle Obama), what you can smoke (Al Gore), what you can drink and how much of it you can drink (Bloomberg), dictate your weight, how much exercise you must have, how fast your car is allowed to go, and maybe even outlaw motorcycles altogether.

Democrats are control freaks. We all know that, and they have been trying to gain more and more control over the people in this country. The two things stopping them from total control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two industries, they will be able to have total control over all of us.

My insurance requires things out of me now or charges me more.

 

[jc456]

I've noted this before......yes, just like that. Obama lied constantly and I will never make excuses for his lies. I will argue that it was Obama's lies that directly led to Trump getting elected.

I noted before, I do not know a lie Sanders has told. When I said this before I was presented with fringe websites that simply disagreed with him.

who pays for all of his freebies then? If someone is paying, then they're not free and that is all a lie.

Yes, the idea that they are "free" is a lie. Bernie has a program to pay for everything he proposed.

Bernie ain't paying for shit. He has a program to force other people to pay for everything he proposed.

As far as I know he pays taxes also.

Do you think he pays trillions in taxes? No?

Then he's forcing other people to pay for his promises. At least try not to be stupid.

That isn’t possible!

 

[pknopp]

I've noted this before......yes, just like that. Obama lied constantly and I will never make excuses for his lies. I will argue that it was Obama's lies that directly led to Trump getting elected.

I noted before, I do not know a lie Sanders has told. When I said this before I was presented with fringe websites that simply disagreed with him.

who pays for all of his freebies then? If someone is paying, then they're not free and that is all a lie.

Yes, the idea that they are "free" is a lie. Bernie has a program to pay for everything he proposed.

Bernie ain't paying for shit. He has a program to force other people to pay for everything he proposed.

As far as I know he pays taxes also.

Do you think he pays trillions in taxes? No?

Then he's forcing other people to pay for his promises. At least try not to be stupid.

He is paying for his promises unlike Trump. Yes, that is true.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

And no comment on the NYT article. How partisan of you.

A ten year old article about Japan working to slim people down? That's a bad thing?

It is when government forces you to do it. Until the Democrats take over and Fup this country, at least now you have the freedom to be in any shape you desire.

But the story is just an example of what happens when government has that kind of control. They can dictate what you eat (Michelle Obama), what you can smoke (Al Gore), what you can drink and how much of it you can drink (Bloomberg), dictate your weight, how much exercise you must have, how fast your car is allowed to go, and maybe even outlaw motorcycles altogether.

Democrats are control freaks. We all know that, and they have been trying to gain more and more control over the people in this country. The two things stopping them from total control are healthcare and energy. Once they have total control over those two industries, they will be able to have total control over all of us.

My insurance requires things out of me now or charges me more.

Really? Because my insurance never did. I just led my life the way I always wanted.

 

[jc456]

So what does the rest of the civilized world look like?

Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS

"Daily Caller". Do better.

They aren’t legitimate, why?

Very partisan. If I use something like Media Matters feel free to ignore it also.

CNN isn’t? ABC isn’t? Fk dude were you just hatched?

You can argue CNN is. Heck, they handed debate questions to Hillary before the debate. You won't find me defending them.

So what was your point? They are allowed to deliver news factually and be conservative. So you can lick my dk ska

 

[Erinwltr]

again;

Want in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up the fastest. Federal law says tax returns are confidential and release without the taxpayers consent is a felony. Neither you or CA has the authority to force a taxpayer to release their returns.

But, here comes the nonsense argument that they can be on the ballot if they just give over those tax returns.

And, I say that states should also refuse to put any non-lawyer on any ballot. We need people to serve who actually understand the law. Not people like Maxine Waters.



.

People who wear sequined cowboy hats should not be on any ballot.

Why in the world would you have anything against this creature of perfect creation? All you Dashboard Sissy Cowboys love sequins.

Hideous.

Your Mantra calling you.