Zone1 Noah's Ark

[Woodznutz]

The Ark looked something like this.

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Noah's ark was a large boxlike structure, not round.

 

[surada]

Noah's ark was a large boxlike structure, not round.

The coracle was used in Mesopotamia at the time. Does the Bible say it's a box?

 

[AsherN]

with walls six metres high.

Other than the height is half of what is described in Torah, it's exactly the boat that was built...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Other than the height is half of what is described in Torah, it's exactly the boat that was built...

Maybe in Kentucky

 

[surada]

Other than the height is half of what is described in Torah, it's exactly the boat that was built...

Asher, are you agreeing that it was a large coracle?

 

[surada]

Fort Fun Indiana
AsherN

Finkel's replica of Babylonian ark - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sixty lines of the Ark Tablet go into great detail on the design of the boat and the materials, including sufficient details of its dimensions and construction to enable a copy to be attempted. The tablet describes essentially a very large coracle or kuphar and made of rope on a wooden frame. The design was effectively very large scale version of coracles used until the mid-twentieth century in Iraq. However, the quantities specified were enormous.

The tablet described enough palm-fibre rope, wooden ribs and stanchions to build a coracle 3,600 square meters in area, almost two-thirds the size of a soccer field, with walls six metres high. If the amount of rope described were laid out in a single line, it would be 500 km long. Because the hull was to be made of fibrous rope, bitumen was specified in the tablet to waterproof the boat.

 

[surada]

I wished you would actually read the bible..

start with genesis 7

This is very cool. Gofer wood is reeds like what grows in the Iraqi marshes. The Marsh Arabs have been there 6,000 years.

Shape of Noah's Ark; Mystery Solved

What does Noah's Ark look like? The shape of Noah's ark has been a puzzle for millennia. Until now. The Noah's Ark Mystery is finally solved.

www.tabletmag.com

But as the Jewish Encyclopedia notes, gofer may have been derived from the Assyrian word giparu for “reeds.” Significantly, perhaps, the word translated as “rooms” in the King James version in Hebrew is quinnim, “nests,” as in birds’ nests.

Most contemporary scholars believe that the basic motifs of the Noah story—the command to build an ark to save his family and animals, the sending out of birds to search for dry land, the ark’s coming to rest on a mountain, and a sacrifice followed by a divine promise—come directly from earlier Mesopotamian myths told about Flood heroes: the Sumerian king Ziusudra (“Life of Long Days”), the Akkadian king Atra-hasis (“Exceeding in Wisdom”), and the Babylonian king Utnaphishtim (“He Found Eternal Life”), who describes the Flood to Gilgamesh in the Epic of Gilgamesh. It is interesting, therefore, that reeds play a role in the directions given by the god Enki to Atra-hasis, the Babylonian Noah:

Wall, wall! Reed wall, reed wall!
Atra-hasīs, pay heed to my advice,
That you may live for ever!
Destroy your house, build a boat…

 

[AsherN]

Asher, are you agreeing that it was a large coracle?

No. You are trying to say that and cite a document that states the height at half what torah describes., A different vessel altogether. The Ark as described in Torah is a box like structure. If it was to be a different shape, it would have been stated. Torah is not shy about giving detailed construction instructions.

 

[Woodznutz]

Fort Fun Indiana
AsherN

Finkel's replica of Babylonian ark - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sixty lines of the Ark Tablet go into great detail on the design of the boat and the materials, including sufficient details of its dimensions and construction to enable a copy to be attempted. The tablet describes essentially a very large coracle or kuphar and made of rope on a wooden frame. The design was effectively very large scale version of coracles used until the mid-twentieth century in Iraq. However, the quantities specified were enormous.

The tablet described enough palm-fibre rope, wooden ribs and stanchions to build a coracle 3,600 square meters in area, almost two-thirds the size of a soccer field, with walls six metres high. If the amount of rope described were laid out in a single line, it would be 500 km long. Because the hull was to be made of fibrous rope, bitumen was specified in the tablet to waterproof the boat.

Noah was instructed to build the ark from gopher wood, not rope. As the meaning of gopher wood is uncertain the ark was likely made from cedar and/or cypress, which grew abundantly in the region, i.e. "the cedars of Lebanon".

 

[Woodznutz]

This is very cool. Gofer wood is reeds like what grows in the Iraqi marshes. The Marsh Arabs have been there 6,000 years.

Shape of Noah's Ark; Mystery Solved

What does Noah's Ark look like? The shape of Noah's ark has been a puzzle for millennia. Until now. The Noah's Ark Mystery is finally solved.

www.tabletmag.com

But as the Jewish Encyclopedia notes, gofer may have been derived from the Assyrian word giparu for “reeds.” Significantly, perhaps, the word translated as “rooms” in the King James version in Hebrew is quinnim, “nests,” as in birds’ nests.

Most contemporary scholars believe that the basic motifs of the Noah story—the command to build an ark to save his family and animals, the sending out of birds to search for dry land, the ark’s coming to rest on a mountain, and a sacrifice followed by a divine promise—come directly from earlier Mesopotamian myths told about Flood heroes: the Sumerian king Ziusudra (“Life of Long Days”), the Akkadian king Atra-hasis (“Exceeding in Wisdom”), and the Babylonian king Utnaphishtim (“He Found Eternal Life”), who describes the Flood to Gilgamesh in the Epic of Gilgamesh. It is interesting, therefore, that reeds play a role in the directions given by the god Enki to Atra-hasis, the Babylonian Noah:

Wall, wall! Reed wall, reed wall!
Atra-hasīs, pay heed to my advice,
That you may live for ever!
Destroy your house, build a boat…

Why does anyone think that the shape of the ark was a mystery?

 

[surada]

AsherN

Ok now I'm confused.

"Enter Irving Finkel.

“Relic reveals Noah’s Ark was circular,” shrieked the headline in The Guardian in 2010. “Noah’s Ark: Round?” The Atlantic asked in 2014.

In 2009, the British Museum received the donated fragment of an ancient cuneiform tablet that contained a hitherto-unknown Akkadian version of one of the Babylonian Flood myths with detailed ark-building specifications that preceded and influenced the story in Genesis. As he relates in his entertaining and erudite 2014 book, The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood, Irving Finkel, the British Museum’s authority on Mesopotamian cuneiform writing, used the detailed instructions in the “Ark Tablet” to reconstruct the ark of Atra-hasis as a circular structure made out of coiled ropes that were waterproofed by being covered with pitch. In 2015, PBS aired a documentary in which a smaller-than-life-size reconstruction of the round ark of Atra-hasis, made to Finkel’s specifications, was built and launched. It took on water and was saved from sinking by pumps.

Shape of Noah's Ark; Mystery Solved

What does Noah's Ark look like? The shape of Noah's ark has been a puzzle for millennia. Until now. The Noah's Ark Mystery is finally solved.

www.tabletmag.com

 

[surada]

Rambam teaches a dual message about righteousness. The most profoundly righteous are not content with saving themselves; they also want to help others. Secondly, authentic righteousness does not simply rely on Hashem; it calls for the utmost in human effort.

 

[Woodznutz]

AsherN

Ok now I'm confused.

"Enter Irving Finkel.

“Relic reveals Noah’s Ark was circular,” shrieked the headline in The Guardian in 2010. “Noah’s Ark: Round?” The Atlantic asked in 2014.

In 2009, the British Museum received the donated fragment of an ancient cuneiform tablet that contained a hitherto-unknown Akkadian version of one of the Babylonian Flood myths with detailed ark-building specifications that preceded and influenced the story in Genesis. As he relates in his entertaining and erudite 2014 book, The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood, Irving Finkel, the British Museum’s authority on Mesopotamian cuneiform writing, used the detailed instructions in the “Ark Tablet” to reconstruct the ark of Atra-hasis as a circular structure made out of coiled ropes that were waterproofed by being covered with pitch. In 2015, PBS aired a documentary in which a smaller-than-life-size reconstruction of the round ark of Atra-hasis, made to Finkel’s specifications, was built and launched. It took on water and was saved from sinking by pumps.

Shape of Noah's Ark; Mystery Solved

What does Noah's Ark look like? The shape of Noah's ark has been a puzzle for millennia. Until now. The Noah's Ark Mystery is finally solved.

www.tabletmag.com

The shape of the ark likely was intrinsic to the way it was fitted out within. How it was fitted out is largely left to our imagination.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The shape of the ark likely was intrinsic to the way it was fitted out within. How it was fitted out is largely left to our imagination.

Definitely, since it can't exist in reality.

 

[surada]

Definitely, since it can't exist in reality.

But, what a great story!

 

[Woodznutz]

Definitely, since it can't exist in reality.

I'm what's called a "Floodnut". We believe the story and love to embellish it by filling in what isn't revealed directly in scripture. Great fun.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm what's called a "Floodnut". We believe the story and love to embellish it by filling in what isn't revealed directly in scripture. Great fun.

So you guys basically role play.

 

[Woodznutz]

So you guys basically role play.

We study and speculate based on what is revealed. My pastor used to joke that while in Seminary he majored in doctrine with a minor in speculation.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We speculate.

Okay, that is kind of fun.

Do you think they had a true poop deck for the insects?

 

[Woodznutz]

Okay, that is kind of fun.

Do you think they had a true poop deck for the insects?

I'll look into it.