Not paying taxes "makes me smart."

[kaz]

I don't support Trump, stupid ass. I keep telling you that. I support Gary Johnson. How do you not retain that? Learning disability?

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

They were created by government and operate with government power. Government runs them, picks their leaders and can take them out whenever they want. Their money all goes to government. The banks are regulated by the Fed under Federal Law.

So you don't think the Post Office is government either, do you, dumb ass.

What's truly stupid is your equating government with legitimate. That I said they are government you really, truly heard you thought that meant I think they are legitimate. I mean WOW. I kept saying also they are a criminal organization who steals from the American people, which you responded you actually thought that meant I was defending them. You're not defcon, you're deafcon

Dollar Deception - How Banks Secretly Create Money

Still can't hear me, moron?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated

 

[Indeependent]

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government. Here is some educational material. Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government.

It's part of the government. Their officials have to testify before Congress.
Do you think someone would listen to that fat, smarmy fuck, Grayson, if it wasn't legally required? LOL!

Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

What lies was he spreading? Can you be specific?

Bernanke couldn't be specific.
In fact, he seemed to be shitting in his pants.

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

 

[Dale Smith]

The Federal Reserve is not a Government agency and it is not accountable to any branches of the U.S. Government...

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal.

From the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve has supervisory and regulatory authority over a wide range of financial institutions and activities. It works with other federal and state regulators to ensure safety and soundness in the operation of financial institutions, stability in the financial markets, and fair and equitable treatment of consumers in their financial transactions."

The Federal reserve has "supervisory and regulatory authority" over banks, and you just schooled me that isn't government. Congressional mandated REGULATORS.

Here's a dollar, buy a clue

100 percent W-R-O-N-G.

Where does that fiat currency come from that they "loan"? What exactly is it that banks are risking but extending credit to you when you sign a promissory note?

You said I'm "100 percent wrong" then didn't contradict anything I said.

So you tell me then. When I say they are the ultimate criminal organization who "prints money" and "steals from the American people," what am I missing?

The idea that you think because they are government that makes them legitimate is frankly just bizarre

No,. they are privately owned and the shareholders try and stay in the shadows. Due to the work of people like Antony Sutton and Eustace Mullins, we know who most of the families are...like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Kuhn-Loeb, Warburgs, Lazard Brothers,Goldman Sachs and Israel Moses Seif. When the 2nd central bank did not have it's charter renewed because of Andrew Jackson, it was discovered that the majority owners were European and after it was disbanded, for the first time ever America had a genuine surplus.. The War of 1812 was fought over the fact that the twenty year charter of the first central bank would not be renewed. Central banks are a bane to any country that has them as it extends credit while charging interest but the interest money to pay it is never put in circulation so what you have is a perpetual debt system with cycles of booms and busts where someone is eventually bankrupted or foreclosed on thus giving the banks hard assets from credit extended from nothing tangible. It is fraud being implemented world wide and the fact that nearly every country is hopelessly indebted is not by accident or coincidence.

 

[kaz]

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal.

From the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve has supervisory and regulatory authority over a wide range of financial institutions and activities. It works with other federal and state regulators to ensure safety and soundness in the operation of financial institutions, stability in the financial markets, and fair and equitable treatment of consumers in their financial transactions."

The Federal reserve has "supervisory and regulatory authority" over banks, and you just schooled me that isn't government. Congressional mandated REGULATORS.

Here's a dollar, buy a clue

100 percent W-R-O-N-G.

Where does that fiat currency come from that they "loan"? What exactly is it that banks are risking but extending credit to you when you sign a promissory note?

You said I'm "100 percent wrong" then didn't contradict anything I said.

So you tell me then. When I say they are the ultimate criminal organization who "prints money" and "steals from the American people," what am I missing?

The idea that you think because they are government that makes them legitimate is frankly just bizarre

No,. they are privately owned and the shareholders try and stay in the shadows. Due to the work of people like Antony Sutton and Eustace Mullins, we know who most of the families are...like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Kuhn-Loeb, Warburgs, Lazard Brothers,Goldman Sachs and Israel Moses Seif. When the 2nd central bank did not have it's charter renewed because of Andrew Jackson, it was discovered that the majority owners were European and after it was disbanded, for the first time ever America had a genuine surplus.. The War of 1812 was fought over the fact that the twenty year charter of the first central bank would not be renewed. Central banks are a bane to any country that has them as it extends credit while charging interest but the interest money to pay it is never put in circulation so what you have is a perpetual debt system with cycles of booms and busts where someone is eventually bankrupted or foreclosed on thus giving the banks hard assets from credit extended from nothing tangible. It is fraud being implemented world wide and the fact that nearly every country is hopelessly indebted is not by accident or coincidence.

You're arguing the Fed is bad to someone who thinks it should be destroyed. Where are you trying to go with this?

And the assumption that you, BooBoo and deafcon keep making that the Fed being bad is equivalent to the Fed not being government is just inexplicable to me. I hate to burst your bubble, but the government does a lot of bad things.

Of course BooBoo turns around and is voting for the broad owned by the banks, so he's particularly fucked up

 

[Dale Smith]

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal.

From the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve has supervisory and regulatory authority over a wide range of financial institutions and activities. It works with other federal and state regulators to ensure safety and soundness in the operation of financial institutions, stability in the financial markets, and fair and equitable treatment of consumers in their financial transactions."

The Federal reserve has "supervisory and regulatory authority" over banks, and you just schooled me that isn't government. Congressional mandated REGULATORS.

Here's a dollar, buy a clue

100 percent W-R-O-N-G.

Where does that fiat currency come from that they "loan"? What exactly is it that banks are risking but extending credit to you when you sign a promissory note?

You said I'm "100 percent wrong" then didn't contradict anything I said.

So you tell me then. When I say they are the ultimate criminal organization who "prints money" and "steals from the American people," what am I missing?

The idea that you think because they are government that makes them legitimate is frankly just bizarre

No,. they are privately owned and the shareholders try and stay in the shadows. Due to the work of people like Antony Sutton and Eustace Mullins, we know who most of the families are...like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Kuhn-Loeb, Warburgs, Lazard Brothers,Goldman Sachs and Israel Moses Seif. When the 2nd central bank did not have it's charter renewed because of Andrew Jackson, it was discovered that the majority owners were European and after it was disbanded, for the first time ever America had a genuine surplus.. The War of 1812 was fought over the fact that the twenty year charter of the first central bank would not be renewed. Central banks are a bane to any country that has them as it extends credit while charging interest but the interest money to pay it is never put in circulation so what you have is a perpetual debt system with cycles of booms and busts where someone is eventually bankrupted or foreclosed on thus giving the banks hard assets from credit extended from nothing tangible. It is fraud being implemented world wide and the fact that nearly every country is hopelessly indebted is not by accident or coincidence.

You're arguing the Fed is bad to someone who thinks it should be destroyed. Where are you trying to go with this?

And the assumption that you, BooBoo and deafcon keep making that the Fed being bad is equivalent to the Fed not being government is just inexplicable to me. I hate to burst your bubble, but the government does a lot of bad things.

Of course BooBoo turns around and is voting for the broad owned by the banks, so he's particularly fucked up

That reply is to whomever that wishes to read it. I was also explaining that the Fed is privately owned and you will not find it under any government listing.

 

[Onyx]

The federal government is apart of the US state.

Not sure why simple facts like this are being debated.

 

[sealybobo]

It's another lie proving he's a con man. I don't think you could have picked a more horrible pick.

Hey, remember how Dale said you're not a mind swilling Democrat bitch like the other leftists, and I said you are? Did I nail the shit out of that or what?

Well if you support trump you are the one who would vote for ANYONE the GOP nominates. Trump, neocon, rino. It doesn't matter to you

Look at the alternatives...

I refuse to accept your premise. Clinton could be more liberal but other than that I like her.

And us Democrats realize maybe a more liberal candidate can't win. It's why we didn't go with a guy who calls himself a socialist.

Republicans have the same problem. They'd love to nominate a true con but they know they can't win so they always settle for a rino.

Clinton's a corporate democrat just like Obama. Moderates

You're all over the Fed and yet you are OK with a broad who made hundreds of millions selling government influence to Wall Street and Corporate America. You're a clueless trip, dude

Show me the law that says you have to pay Federal Income Tax on your wages

 

[Dale Smith]

The federal government is apart of the US state.

Not sure why simple facts like this are being debated.

The federal government is a corporate entity.

 

[sealybobo]

The Fed only has one goal. ROI. They have non traditional shareholders to please and they make them very happy and rich. I find it amusing that dems are touting the Fed as a government entity. I guess they have no idea who is really running the Fed.

It's not just dems. Republicans insist it's a government entity

It is

I've noticed the info you find on the web has changed over the years.

For example they used to explain the fed is a quasi government agency. That means it really isn't. Obama McConnell and Ryan can't raise interest rates.

Think of the federal reserve like you do haloburton

Exactly. Wikipedia is changing all the time to fit some entities' agenda. Look always the date of the last editing.

It's bizarre how you two nitwits and JBond come to the conclusion that

government Fed = not scam

not government Fed = scam

Then we have BooBoo who thinks that a libertarian saying it's government means I think it's not a scam even when I keep saying they are a criminal organization.

They are government, they are beyond a scam, they are a criminal organization.

One sentence, yet you two between you don't have enough brain power to comprehend it

Because you've been brainwashed/conditioned to hate corrupt government but you can't seem to hate the rich and powerful who are corrupting it.

 

[Redfish]

The federal government is apart of the US state.

Not sure why simple facts like this are being debated.

The federal government is a corporate entity.

with no shareholders

 

[kaz]

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal.

From the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve has supervisory and regulatory authority over a wide range of financial institutions and activities. It works with other federal and state regulators to ensure safety and soundness in the operation of financial institutions, stability in the financial markets, and fair and equitable treatment of consumers in their financial transactions."

The Federal reserve has "supervisory and regulatory authority" over banks, and you just schooled me that isn't government. Congressional mandated REGULATORS.

Here's a dollar, buy a clue

100 percent W-R-O-N-G.

Where does that fiat currency come from that they "loan"? What exactly is it that banks are risking but extending credit to you when you sign a promissory note?

You said I'm "100 percent wrong" then didn't contradict anything I said.

So you tell me then. When I say they are the ultimate criminal organization who "prints money" and "steals from the American people," what am I missing?

The idea that you think because they are government that makes them legitimate is frankly just bizarre

No,. they are privately owned and the shareholders try and stay in the shadows. Due to the work of people like Antony Sutton and Eustace Mullins, we know who most of the families are...like the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Kuhn-Loeb, Warburgs, Lazard Brothers,Goldman Sachs and Israel Moses Seif. When the 2nd central bank did not have it's charter renewed because of Andrew Jackson, it was discovered that the majority owners were European and after it was disbanded, for the first time ever America had a genuine surplus.. The War of 1812 was fought over the fact that the twenty year charter of the first central bank would not be renewed. Central banks are a bane to any country that has them as it extends credit while charging interest but the interest money to pay it is never put in circulation so what you have is a perpetual debt system with cycles of booms and busts where someone is eventually bankrupted or foreclosed on thus giving the banks hard assets from credit extended from nothing tangible. It is fraud being implemented world wide and the fact that nearly every country is hopelessly indebted is not by accident or coincidence.

You're arguing the Fed is bad to someone who thinks it should be destroyed. Where are you trying to go with this?

And the assumption that you, BooBoo and deafcon keep making that the Fed being bad is equivalent to the Fed not being government is just inexplicable to me. I hate to burst your bubble, but the government does a lot of bad things.

Of course BooBoo turns around and is voting for the broad owned by the banks, so he's particularly fucked up

That reply is to whomever that wishes to read it. I was also explaining that the Fed is privately owned and you will not find it under any government listing.

OK, but when you post it in reply to me, it makes it appear you're addressing me.

"Owned" is irrelevant, it was created and is controlled by government. Why do you think the Fed constantly reports to Congress? How does the President appoint it's leaders and the Senate confirm them if they aren't government? What is this bizarre fixation you have that it can only be bad if it's not government?

They are government and they are evil and should be destroyed. I see evil and government and see a connection, for some strange reason you see that as a contradiction.

We have no Constitutional rights with the IRS, they are evil and should be destroyed. When I say that, do you think wow, kaz thinks the IRS isn't government?

It's just a head scratcher

 

[Dale Smith]

Very true summation by John W Whitehead, author of Battlefield America: The War on the American People

In the interest of liberty and truth, here are a few uncomfortable truths about life in the American police state that we will not be hearing from either of the two leading presidential candidates.

1. The government is not our friend. Nor does it work for “we the people.”
2. Our so-called government representatives do not actually represent us, the citizenry. We are now ruled by an oligarchic elite of governmental and corporate interests whose main interest is in perpetuating power and control.
3. Republicans and Democrats like to act as if there’s a huge difference between them and their policies. However, they are not sworn enemies so much as they are partners in crime, united in a common goal, which is to maintain the status quo.
4. Presidential elections are not exercises in self-government. They are merely business forums for selecting the next CEO of the United States of America, Inc.
5. No matter which candidate wins this election, the police state will continue to grow. In other words, it will win and “we the people” will lose.
6. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
7. Twenty years ago, a newspaper headline asked the question: “What’s the difference between a politician and a psychopath?” The answer, then and now, remains the same: None. There is virtually no difference between psychopaths and politicians.
8. Americans only think they’re choosing the next president. In truth, however, they’re engaging in the illusion of participation culminating in the reassurance ritual of voting. It’s just another manufactured illusion conjured up in order to keep the populace compliant and convinced that their vote counts and that they still have some influence over the political process.
9. More than terrorism, more than domestic extremism, more than gun violence and organized crime, the U.S. government has become a greater menace to the life, liberty and property of its citizens than any of the so-called dangers from which the government claims to protect us.
10. The government knows exactly which buttons to push in order to manipulate the populace and gain the public’s cooperation and compliance.
11. Fear, which now permeates the populace, leads to fascism.
12. If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.
13. America’s shadow government—which is comprised of unelected government bureaucrats, corporations, contractors, paper-pushers, and button-pushers who are actually calling the shots behind the scenes right now and operates beyond the reach of the Constitution with no real accountability to the citizenry—is the real reason why “we the people” have no control over our government.
14. The government does whatever it wants.
15. You no longer have to be poor, black or guilty to be treated like a criminal in America. All that is required is that you belong to the suspect class—that is, the citizenry—of the American police state. As a de factomember of this so-called criminal class, every U.S. citizen is now guilty until proven innocent.
16. Any police officer who shoots to kill rather than incapacitate is no longer a guardian of the people. By appointing himself judge, jury and executioner over a fellow citizen, such a police officer short-circuits a legal system that was long ago established to protect against such abuses by government agents.
17. Whether instigated by the government or the citizenry, violence will only lead to more violence. Anyone who believes that they can wage—and win—an armed revolt against the American police state is playing right into the government’s hands.
18. “We the people” are no longer shielded by the rule of law. While the First Amendment—which gives us a voice—is being muzzled, the Fourth Amendment—which protects us from being bullied, badgered, beaten, broken and spied on by government agents—is being disemboweled.
19. Government eyes are watching you. They see your every move: what you read, how much you spend, where you go, with whom you interact, when you wake up in the morning, what you’re watching on television and reading on the internet. Every move you make is being monitored, mined for data, crunched, and tabulated in order to form a picture of who you are, what makes you tick, and how best to control you when and if it becomes necessary to bring you in line.
20. By gradually whittling away at our freedoms—free speech, assembly, due process, privacy, etc.—the government has, in effect, liberated itself from its contractual agreement to respect our constitutional rights while resetting the calendar back to a time when we had no Bill of Rights to protect us from the long arm of the government.
21. Private property means nothing if the government can take your home, car or money under the flimsiest of pretexts, whether it be asset forfeiture schemes, eminent domain or overdue property taxes. Likewise,private property means little at a time when SWAT teams and other government agents can invade your home, break down your doors, kill your dog, wound or kill you, damage your furnishings and terrorize your family.
22. If there is an absolute maxim by which the federal government seems to operate, it is that the American taxpayer always gets ripped off.
23. Parents no longer have the final say over what their kids are taught, how they are disciplined, or what kinds of medical care they need. From the moment they are born to the time they legally come of age, young people are now wards of the state.
24. All you need to do in order to be flagged as a suspicious character, labeled an enemy of the state and locked up like a dangerous criminal is use certain trigger words, surf the internet, communicate using a cell phone, drive a car, stay at a hotel, purchase materials at a hardware store, take flying or boating lessons, appear suspicious, question government authority, or generally live in the United States. Americans are powerless in the face of militarized police.
25. Despite the revelations of the past several years, nothing has changed to push back against the American police state. Our freedoms—especially the Fourth Amendment—continue to be choked out by a prevailing view among government bureaucrats that they have the right to search, seize, strip, scan, spy on, probe, pat down, taser, and arrest any individual at any time and for the slightest provocation.
26. Forced cavity searches, forced colonoscopies, forced blood draws, forced breath-alcohol tests, forced DNA extractions, forced eye scans, and forced inclusion in biometric databases are just a few ways in which Americans continue to be reminded that we have no control over what happens to our bodies during an encounter with government officials.\
27. Finally, we all bleed red. And we all suffer when violence becomes the government’s calling card. Remember, in a police state, you’re either the one with your hand on the trigger or you’re staring down the barrel of a loaded gun. The oppression and injustice—be it in the form of shootings, surveillance, fines, asset forfeiture, prison terms, roadside searches, and so on—will come to all of us eventually unless we do something to stop it now.

These are not problems that can be glibly dismissed with a few well-chosen words, as most politicians are inclined to do. Nor will the 2016 elections do much to alter our present course towards a police state.

Indeed, the popularity contest for the new occupant of the White House will not significantly alter the day-to-day life of the average American greatly at all. Those life-changing decisions are made elsewhere, by nameless, unelected government officials who have turned bureaucracy into a full-time and profitable business.

As I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, these problems will continue to plague our nation unless and until Americans wake up to the fact that we’re the only ones who can change things for the better and then do something about it. Indeed, the Constitution opens with those three vital words, “We the people.”

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fed is a private entity...that is a fact.

You might have a better case except for the fact that the US Treasury received $100 billion versus $1.7 billion for the "private owners".

BTW, your beloved "gubermint" is a corporate entity

Is my birth certificate pledged as collateral for a government loan?

Wait, people think The Federal Reserve is a government agency? I must be reading something wrong. It was authorized by congress to exists, but it is not a government agency.

Wait, people think The Federal Reserve is a government agency?

Only because it is.

Run by private bankers. Certain things shouldn't be privatized. Prisons, elections, healthcare and why are we paying bankers interest on the debt? Let's manage it ourselves like we did before the 1913 federal reserve act?

Gawd, you haven't a clue. The Fed is the US government, you're an idiot.

So seriously, you think they randomly set interest rates and government is just a victim?

Meanwhile, as I keep telling you, you clueless dork, Obama appoints their leaders, the senate confirms them, their "profits" all get paid into the treasury, government can remove them, they set US economic policy and monitary policy ...

... and you think they are independent. You're ... one ... stupid ... clueless ... fuck ...

The Fed only has one goal. ROI. They have non traditional shareholders to please and they make them very happy and rich. I find it amusing that dems are touting the Fed as a government entity. I guess they have no idea who is really running the Fed.

They have non traditional shareholders to please and they make them very happy and rich.

How much of the Fed's profits do those "shareholders" get?

 

[hazlnut]

Trump's new argument, I manipulate and bend the tax code to pay as little as possible (if anything) because I don't like how government spends my money.

No one likes how our government spends money. The federal government is massive machine, wasteful and inefficient. But somehow people still make millions and billions in this country, capitalism, public-private partnership, regulated markets, it all seems to work.

So not paying your fair share, when you have been successful in America, is well... unAmerican.

**How many hundreds of millions of tax dollars have benefited Trump building projects through subsidies and credits?

**How many tens of millions of tax revenue were washed away when Trump settled with N.J. for 17 cents on the dollar? (because Chris Christie allowed it).

**How many hundreds millions of tax dollars went to government man hours auditing and overseeing all of Trumps bankruptcies, federal court cases, and investigations into the thousands of complaints to various state agencies and AGs about Trump's business practices?

The man has benefited in every way from the U.S. economy, infrastructure, and all the systems and functions of Government, but he doesn't think he should pay his share.

The bankruptcy laws in the U.S. favor businessmen like Trump. Shameless and with broken moral compass.

This year low-icome households will contribute 10%-15% of their income to the 'community chest'. Fair because to tax them higher would impede their ability to pay bills, buy good and serves, eat. This money is taken out of their paycheck and many don't owe any tax liability on April 15. But they still paid. Everybody pays some tax. (sales, gas, utility)

Middle income will pay 25%-28% of their income. These people may have a pension fund or 401K but they certainly don't have an extensive and diverse investment portfolio worth over a million.

Upper income pay 33%-39% - however depending on how much of their income is earned from salary and bonuses and how much from investment, they never pay at those rates. More like 20%-24% or lower depending on the state of residence. Their portfolios grow because of the American consumer driven economy and infrastructure. However, for three decades they have been getting more out of the system (everything Government does to protect, promote, sustain commerce and growth) than they have been paying for. Over the past three 80% of the Wealth has been transferred via the tax code that favors the wealthy to 1% of the population. CEO compensation went up during Clinton because of a change in the tax code that made companies award bonus compensation through stock options.

In fact, that single provision in the tax code had major repercussions -- not only did CEO and upper management compensation go up, but companies moved toward a overall business paradigm that put the stock price above everything else - product quality, customer service and satisfaction, following the law, ethical and moral responsibility to the environment, the employee, or society. Because as long as the stock was healthy, all was good. Minimize exposure on all potential liability because it might hurt the stock price. But integrity means doing the right thing when it's least convenient. Why not pay your employees a living wage, take responsibility for product liability, EPA superfund sites, and stop overpaying your CEOs, CFO's and upper management, especially when they mismanage the company.

Why do low income conservative and GOPs think that's right? 1% controlling 80% of the wealth. If it's "right" or "good" then why wasn't it always that way? The right longs to take America back to the prosperous 1950s when middle income people paid off their homes, took long vacations, had money to send their kids to school and retire on a golf course. Guess what, back then millionaires paid their fair share.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Gawd, you haven't a clue. The Fed is the US government, you're an idiot.

So seriously, you think they randomly set interest rates and government is just a victim?

Meanwhile, as I keep telling you, you clueless dork, Obama appoints their leaders, the senate confirms them, their "profits" all get paid into the treasury, government can remove them, they set US economic policy and monitary policy ...

... and you think they are independent. You're ... one ... stupid ... clueless ... fuck ...

The Federal Reserve is not a Government agency and it is not accountable to any branches of the U.S. Government...

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump's new argument, I manipulate and bend the tax code to pay as little as possible (if anything) because I don't like how government spends my money.

No one likes how our government spends money. The federal government is massive machine, wasteful and inefficient. But somehow people still make millions and billions in this country, capitalism, public-private partnership, regulated markets, it all seems to work.

So not paying your fair share, when you have been successful in America, is well... unAmerican.

**How many hundreds of millions of tax dollars have benefited Trump building projects through subsidies and credits?

**How many tens of millions of tax revenue were washed away when Trump settled with N.J. for 17 cents on the dollar? (because Chris Christie allowed it).

**How many hundreds millions of tax dollars went to government man hours auditing and overseeing all of Trumps bankruptcies, federal court cases, and investigations into the thousands of complaints to various state agencies and AGs about Trump's business practices?

The man has benefited in every way from the U.S. economy, infrastructure, and all the systems and functions of Government, but he doesn't think he should pay his share.

The bankruptcy laws in the U.S. favor businessmen like Trump. Shameless and with broken moral compass.

This year low-icome households will contribute 10%-15% of their income to the 'community chest'. Fair because to tax them higher would impede their ability to pay bills, buy good and serves, eat. This money is taken out of their paycheck and many don't owe any tax liability on April 15. But they still paid. Everybody pays some tax. (sales, gas, utility)

Middle income will pay 25%-28% of their income. These people may have a pension fund or 401K but they certainly don't have an extensive and diverse investment portfolio worth over a million.

Upper income pay 33%-39% - however depending on how much of their income is earned from salary and bonuses and how much from investment, they never pay at those rates. More like 20%-24% or lower depending on the state of residence. Their portfolios grow because of the American consumer driven economy and infrastructure. However, for three decades they have been getting more out of the system (everything Government does to protect, promote, sustain commerce and growth) than they have been paying for. Over the past three 80% of the Wealth has been transferred via the tax code that favors the wealthy to 1% of the population. CEO compensation went up during Clinton because of a change in the tax code that made companies award bonus compensation through stock options.

In fact, that single provision in the tax code had major repercussions -- not only did CEO and upper management compensation go up, but companies moved toward a overall business paradigm that put the stock price above everything else - product quality, customer service and satisfaction, following the law, ethical and moral responsibility to the environment, the employee, or society. Because as long as the stock was healthy, all was good. Minimize exposure on all potential liability because it might hurt the stock price. But integrity means doing the right thing when it's least convenient. Why not pay your employees a living wage, take responsibility for product liability, EPA superfund sites, and stop overpaying your CEOs, CFO's and upper management, especially when they mismanage the company.

Why do low income conservative and GOPs think that's right? 1% controlling 80% of the wealth. If it's "right" or "good" then why wasn't it always that way? The right longs to take America back to the prosperous 1950s when middle income people paid off their homes, took long vacations, had money to send their kids to school and retire on a golf course. Guess what, back then millionaires paid their fair share.

You don't have the slightest clue as to how the system actually works. Bartering one's time in exchange for something of value was never meant to be taxed

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Gawd, you haven't a clue. The Fed is the US government, you're an idiot.

So seriously, you think they randomly set interest rates and government is just a victim?

Meanwhile, as I keep telling you, you clueless dork, Obama appoints their leaders, the senate confirms them, their "profits" all get paid into the treasury, government can remove them, they set US economic policy and monitary policy ...

... and you think they are independent. You're ... one ... stupid ... clueless ... fuck ...

The Federal Reserve is not a Government agency and it is not accountable to any branches of the U.S. Government...

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal.

From the Federal Reserve:

"The Federal Reserve has supervisory and regulatory authority over a wide range of financial institutions and activities. It works with other federal and state regulators to ensure safety and soundness in the operation of financial institutions, stability in the financial markets, and fair and equitable treatment of consumers in their financial transactions."

The Federal reserve has "supervisory and regulatory authority" over banks, and you just schooled me that isn't government. Congressional mandated REGULATORS.

Here's a dollar, buy a clue

100 percent W-R-O-N-G.

Where does that fiat currency come from that they "loan"? What exactly is it that banks are risking but extending credit to you when you sign a promissory note?

A commercial bank risks losing money when they give you a car loan, home loan or credit card loan.
The Fed credits money out of thin air, that's what Central Banks do. That's why they exist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't support Trump, stupid ass. I keep telling you that. I support Gary Johnson. How do you not retain that? Learning disability?

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Last year, the "shareholders" received $1.7 billion in dividends. The US Treasury received $100 billion.
Who is the real owner?

 

[Indeependent]

I don't support Trump, stupid ass. I keep telling you that. I support Gary Johnson. How do you not retain that? Learning disability?

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Last year, the "shareholders" received $1.7 billion in dividends. The US Treasury received $100 billion.
Who is the real owner?

Is there a breakdown of the dividend?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't support Trump, stupid ass. I keep telling you that. I support Gary Johnson. How do you not retain that? Learning disability?

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

They were created by government and operate with government power. Government runs them, picks their leaders and can take them out whenever they want. Their money all goes to government. The banks are regulated by the Fed under Federal Law.

So you don't think the Post Office is government either, do you, dumb ass.

What's truly stupid is your equating government with legitimate. That I said they are government you really, truly heard you thought that meant I think they are legitimate. I mean WOW. I kept saying also they are a criminal organization who steals from the American people, which you responded you actually thought that meant I was defending them. You're not defcon, you're deafcon

Dollar Deception - How Banks Secretly Create Money

Ellen Brown is an idiot.