Not paying taxes "makes me smart."

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't support Trump, stupid ass. I keep telling you that. I support Gary Johnson. How do you not retain that? Learning disability?

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Last year, the "shareholders" received $1.7 billion in dividends. The US Treasury received $100 billion.
Who is the real owner?

Is there a breakdown of the dividend?

Press Release

Release Date: January 11, 2016

For release at 12:00 p.m. EST
The Federal Reserve Board on Monday announced preliminary results indicating that the Reserve Banks provided for payments of approximately $97.7 billion of their estimated 2015 net income to the U.S. Treasury. In addition, the Federal Reserve transferred to the Treasury $19.3 billion from Reserve Bank capital surplus on December 28, 2015, which was the amount necessary to reduce aggregate Reserve Bank surplus to the $10 billion surplus limitation in the Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act (FAST Act). The FAST Act, which was enacted on December 4, 2015, requires that aggregate Federal Reserve Bank capital surplus not exceed $10 billion. The 2015 audited Reserve Bank financial statements are expected to be published in March and may include adjustments to these preliminary unaudited results.

The Federal Reserve Banks' 2015 estimated net income of $100.2 billion was derived primarily from $113.6 billion in interest income on securities acquired through open market operations (U.S. Treasury securities, federal agency and government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) mortgage-backed securities (MBS), and GSE debt securities). Operating expenses of the Reserve Banks, net of amounts reimbursed by the U.S. Treasury and other entities for services the Reserve Banks provided as fiscal agents, totaled $3.9 billion in 2015. In addition, the Reserve Banks were assessed $689 million for the costs related to producing, issuing, and retiring currency, $705 million for Board expenditures, and $490 million to fund the operations of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The Reserve Banks had interest expense of $6.9 billion associated with reserve balances and term deposits held by depository institutions, recorded foreign currency translation losses of $1.4 billion that result from the daily revaluation of foreign currency denominated asset holdings at current exchange rates, and incurred interest expense of $248 million on securities sold under agreement to repurchase.

Additional earnings were derived from income from services of $432 million. In 2015, statutory dividends totaled $1.7 billion and $778 million of net income was transferred to surplus.

The attached chart illustrates the amount the Reserve Banks distributed to the U.S. Treasury from 2006 through 2015 (estimated).

Breakdown by bank? No.
It's probably out there somewhere.

 

[Indeependent]

Ask the Libertarians about the Fed... they will tell you. You don't even know what your guy stands for, do you? hahaha...

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Last year, the "shareholders" received $1.7 billion in dividends. The US Treasury received $100 billion.
Who is the real owner?

Is there a breakdown of the dividend?

Press Release

Release Date: January 11, 2016

For release at 12:00 p.m. EST
The Federal Reserve Board on Monday announced preliminary results indicating that the Reserve Banks provided for payments of approximately $97.7 billion of their estimated 2015 net income to the U.S. Treasury. In addition, the Federal Reserve transferred to the Treasury $19.3 billion from Reserve Bank capital surplus on December 28, 2015, which was the amount necessary to reduce aggregate Reserve Bank surplus to the $10 billion surplus limitation in the Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act (FAST Act). The FAST Act, which was enacted on December 4, 2015, requires that aggregate Federal Reserve Bank capital surplus not exceed $10 billion. The 2015 audited Reserve Bank financial statements are expected to be published in March and may include adjustments to these preliminary unaudited results.

The Federal Reserve Banks' 2015 estimated net income of $100.2 billion was derived primarily from $113.6 billion in interest income on securities acquired through open market operations (U.S. Treasury securities, federal agency and government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) mortgage-backed securities (MBS), and GSE debt securities). Operating expenses of the Reserve Banks, net of amounts reimbursed by the U.S. Treasury and other entities for services the Reserve Banks provided as fiscal agents, totaled $3.9 billion in 2015. In addition, the Reserve Banks were assessed $689 million for the costs related to producing, issuing, and retiring currency, $705 million for Board expenditures, and $490 million to fund the operations of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The Reserve Banks had interest expense of $6.9 billion associated with reserve balances and term deposits held by depository institutions, recorded foreign currency translation losses of $1.4 billion that result from the daily revaluation of foreign currency denominated asset holdings at current exchange rates, and incurred interest expense of $248 million on securities sold under agreement to repurchase.

Additional earnings were derived from income from services of $432 million. In 2015, statutory dividends totaled $1.7 billion and $778 million of net income was transferred to surplus.

The attached chart illustrates the amount the Reserve Banks distributed to the U.S. Treasury from 2006 through 2015 (estimated).

Breakdown by bank? No.
It's probably out there somewhere.

I'm curious about individuals.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government. Here is some educational material. Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government.

It's part of the government. Their officials have to testify before Congress.
Do you think someone would listen to that fat, smarmy fuck, Grayson, if it wasn't legally required? LOL!

Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

What lies was he spreading? Can you be specific?

Bernanke couldn't be specific.
In fact, he seemed to be shitting in his pants.

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

 

[Indeependent]

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government. Here is some educational material. Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government.

It's part of the government. Their officials have to testify before Congress.
Do you think someone would listen to that fat, smarmy fuck, Grayson, if it wasn't legally required? LOL!

Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

What lies was he spreading? Can you be specific?

Bernanke couldn't be specific.
In fact, he seemed to be shitting in his pants.

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

That's not a compelling argument for a lot of people who lost their homes or assets.

 

[hazlnut]

This one is retarded on it's face.

1. The government is not our friend. Nor does it work for “we the people.”
2. Our so-called government representatives do not actually represent us, the citizenry. We are now ruled by an oligarchic elite of governmental and corporate interests whose main interest is in perpetuating power and control.
3. Republicans and Democrats like to act as if there’s a huge difference between them and their policies. However, they are not sworn enemies so much as they are partners in crime, united in a common goal, which is to maintain the status quo.
4. Presidential elections are not exercises in self-government. They are merely business forums for selecting the next CEO of the United States of America, Inc.
5. No matter which candidate wins this election, the police state will continue to grow. In other words, it will win and “we the people” will lose.
6. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
7. Twenty years ago, a newspaper headline asked the question: “What’s the difference between a politician and a psychopath?” The answer, then and now, remains the same: None. There is virtually no difference between psychopaths and politicians.
8. Americans only think they’re choosing the next president. In truth, however, they’re engaging in the illusion of participation culminating in the reassurance ritual of voting. It’s just another manufactured illusion conjured up in order to keep the populace compliant and convinced that their vote counts and that they still have some influence over the political process.
9. More than terrorism, more than domestic extremism, more than gun violence and organized crime, the U.S. government has become a greater menace to the life, liberty and property of its citizens than any of the so-called dangers from which the government claims to protect us.
10. The government knows exactly which buttons to push in order to manipulate the populace and gain the public’s cooperation and compliance.
11. Fear, which now permeates the populace, leads to fascism.
12. If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.
13. America’s shadow government—which is comprised of unelected government bureaucrats, corporations, contractors, paper-pushers, and button-pushers who are actually calling the shots behind the scenes right now and operates beyond the reach of the Constitution with no real accountability to the citizenry—is the real reason why “we the people” have no control over our government.
14. The government does whatever it wants.
15. You no longer have to be poor, black or guilty to be treated like a criminal in America. All that is required is that you belong to the suspect class—that is, the citizenry—of the American police state. As a de factomember of this so-called criminal class, every U.S. citizen is now guilty until proven innocent.
16. Any police officer who shoots to kill rather than incapacitate is no longer a guardian of the people. By appointing himself judge, jury and executioner over a fellow citizen, such a police officer short-circuits a legal system that was long ago established to protect against such abuses by government agents.
17. Whether instigated by the government or the citizenry, violence will only lead to more violence. Anyone who believes that they can wage—and win—an armed revolt against the American police state is playing right into the government’s hands.
18. “We the people” are no longer shielded by the rule of law. While the First Amendment—which gives us a voice—is being muzzled, the Fourth Amendment—which protects us from being bullied, badgered, beaten, broken and spied on by government agents—is being disemboweled.
19. Government eyes are watching you. They see your every move: what you read, how much you spend, where you go, with whom you interact, when you wake up in the morning, what you’re watching on television and reading on the internet. Every move you make is being monitored, mined for data, crunched, and tabulated in order to form a picture of who you are, what makes you tick, and how best to control you when and if it becomes necessary to bring you in line.
20. By gradually whittling away at our freedoms—free speech, assembly, due process, privacy, etc.—the government has, in effect, liberated itself from its contractual agreement to respect our constitutional rights while resetting the calendar back to a time when we had no Bill of Rights to protect us from the long arm of the government.
21. Private property means nothing if the government can take your home, car or money under the flimsiest of pretexts, whether it be asset forfeiture schemes, eminent domain or overdue property taxes. Likewise,private property means little at a time when SWAT teams and other government agents can invade your home, break down your doors, kill your dog, wound or kill you, damage your furnishings and terrorize your family.
22. If there is an absolute maxim by which the federal government seems to operate, it is that the American taxpayer always gets ripped off.
23. Parents no longer have the final say over what their kids are taught, how they are disciplined, or what kinds of medical care they need. From the moment they are born to the time they legally come of age, young people are now wards of the state.
24. All you need to do in order to be flagged as a suspicious character, labeled an enemy of the state and locked up like a dangerous criminal is use certain trigger words, surf the internet, communicate using a cell phone, drive a car, stay at a hotel, purchase materials at a hardware store, take flying or boating lessons, appear suspicious, question government authority, or generally live in the United States. Americans are powerless in the face of militarized police.
25. Despite the revelations of the past several years, nothing has changed to push back against the American police state. Our freedoms—especially the Fourth Amendment—continue to be choked out by a prevailing view among government bureaucrats that they have the right to search, seize, strip, scan, spy on, probe, pat down, taser, and arrest any individual at any time and for the slightest provocation.
26. Forced cavity searches, forced colonoscopies, forced blood draws, forced breath-alcohol tests, forced DNA extractions, forced eye scans, and forced inclusion in biometric databases are just a few ways in which Americans continue to be reminded that we have no control over what happens to our bodies during an encounter with government officials.\
27. Finally, we all bleed red. And we all suffer when violence becomes the government’s calling card. Remember, in a police state, you’re either the one with your hand on the trigger or you’re staring down the barrel of a loaded gun. The oppression and injustice—be it in the form of shootings, surveillance, fines, asset forfeiture, prison terms, roadside searches, and so on—will come to all of us eventually unless we do something to stop it now.

I'm not going to waste my morning tearing them all down one by one, but let's just examine a few --

1. The government is not our friend. Nor does it work for “we the people.”

In fact, the government is your fellow Americans, who took jobs in good faith, work earnestly to serve at whatever level or position they're at. Our Government is your friends and neighbors. They go to your church, they shop at your mall, they pay taxes. That's what Government is -- people, just like you. The notion that Government is some evil other out to get you, harm you, take your money, is just stupid.


2. Our so-called government representatives do not actually represent us, the citizenry. We are now ruled by an oligarchic elite of governmental and corporate interests whose main interest is in perpetuating power and control.

The federal government is too easily influenced by big money and interests. State and local governments to a lesser degree. But we're talking INFLUENCE. Not control or rule. Lobbyists certainly influence policy, but they don't control the voting. And overtime bad policy starts to stink and the American people catch on and BANG you have a populous movement. The idiot who wrote this crappy book or whatever lives in some sort of Hollywood conspiracy movie.

There are good representatives, I know this because I've met them, called their offices and gotten help on issues -- and there are bad representative who see a Senate seat as stepping stone to a cushy consulting or lobbying job. We can debate if there are more good ones or bad ones, but the "all are bad" thinking is just not grounded in reality.

This guy sounds like a typical bitter libertarian who's life and career fell way short of his dreams (probably because he's a difficult person, not well-liked, sort of know-it-all that turns people off) and now he needs to blame something -- so the big bad Government. Meanwhile his right to complain remains intact.


3. Presidential elections are not exercises in self-government. They are merely business forums for selecting the next CEO of the United States of America, Inc.

This one made me laugh out loud. You know how much fucking money they spent trying to make sure Romney beat Obama? Conservative Millionaires and billionaires wanted Karl Roves head after 2012. I'm surprised Turd Blossom is not sleeping with the fishes.

There is way too much money in U.S. Politics -- but if you really understand economics, you'd understand that every four years, America funds its own mini stimulus package. Billions are spent - Multiplier effect etc.

So this corrupting element (money) actually gives the economy a little bump. That's not an argument for more money in politics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Federal Reserve is not accountable to the U.S. government.

It's part of the government. Their officials have to testify before Congress.
Do you think someone would listen to that fat, smarmy fuck, Grayson, if it wasn't legally required? LOL!

Bernanke, a well known right wing propagandist is spreading lies about the Federal Reserve.

What lies was he spreading? Can you be specific?

Bernanke couldn't be specific.
In fact, he seemed to be shitting in his pants.

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

That's not a compelling argument for a lot of people who lost their homes or assets.

People didn't lose their homes or assets because the Fed did a Liquidity Swap with other Central Banks.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Learning disability?

As for evil, yes, they are the ultimate criminal organization, they were created by government to steal from the American people. They should be eliminated.

The Federal Reserve Is A PRIVATELY-OWNED Corporation

The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Last year, the "shareholders" received $1.7 billion in dividends. The US Treasury received $100 billion.
Who is the real owner?

Is there a breakdown of the dividend?

Press Release

Release Date: January 11, 2016

For release at 12:00 p.m. EST
The Federal Reserve Board on Monday announced preliminary results indicating that the Reserve Banks provided for payments of approximately $97.7 billion of their estimated 2015 net income to the U.S. Treasury. In addition, the Federal Reserve transferred to the Treasury $19.3 billion from Reserve Bank capital surplus on December 28, 2015, which was the amount necessary to reduce aggregate Reserve Bank surplus to the $10 billion surplus limitation in the Fixing America's Surface Transportation Act (FAST Act). The FAST Act, which was enacted on December 4, 2015, requires that aggregate Federal Reserve Bank capital surplus not exceed $10 billion. The 2015 audited Reserve Bank financial statements are expected to be published in March and may include adjustments to these preliminary unaudited results.

The Federal Reserve Banks' 2015 estimated net income of $100.2 billion was derived primarily from $113.6 billion in interest income on securities acquired through open market operations (U.S. Treasury securities, federal agency and government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) mortgage-backed securities (MBS), and GSE debt securities). Operating expenses of the Reserve Banks, net of amounts reimbursed by the U.S. Treasury and other entities for services the Reserve Banks provided as fiscal agents, totaled $3.9 billion in 2015. In addition, the Reserve Banks were assessed $689 million for the costs related to producing, issuing, and retiring currency, $705 million for Board expenditures, and $490 million to fund the operations of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The Reserve Banks had interest expense of $6.9 billion associated with reserve balances and term deposits held by depository institutions, recorded foreign currency translation losses of $1.4 billion that result from the daily revaluation of foreign currency denominated asset holdings at current exchange rates, and incurred interest expense of $248 million on securities sold under agreement to repurchase.

Additional earnings were derived from income from services of $432 million. In 2015, statutory dividends totaled $1.7 billion and $778 million of net income was transferred to surplus.

The attached chart illustrates the amount the Reserve Banks distributed to the U.S. Treasury from 2006 through 2015 (estimated).

Breakdown by bank? No.
It's probably out there somewhere.

I'm curious about individuals.

Me too. If you find something, let me know.

 

[Indeependent]

Bernanke couldn't be specific.
In fact, he seemed to be shitting in his pants.

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

That's not a compelling argument for a lot of people who lost their homes or assets.

People didn't lose their homes or assets because the Fed did a Liquidity Swap with other Central Banks.

You are way too literal in try to make sociopaths look good.
Why didn't the Fed spread the love to Americans?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I want defcon to be specific.

Dealing with a moron in congress is frustrating, why would he shit his pants?

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

That's not a compelling argument for a lot of people who lost their homes or assets.

People didn't lose their homes or assets because the Fed did a Liquidity Swap with other Central Banks.

You are way too literal in try to make sociopaths look good.
Why didn't the Fed spread the love to Americans?

You are way too literal in try to make sociopaths look good.

I'm not trying to make Grayson look good.

Why didn't the Fed spread the love to Americans?

Keeping our banking system afloat was pretty groovy.
I got some of the love when I refinanced my mortgage at a crazy low rate.

 

[Indeependent]

Bernanke's obviously nervous.
Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...not the kind of statement you want on video.

I'd be nervous too.
Being asked moronic questions by a fat smarmy fuck like Grayson, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Some people in 1913 gave me permission to do something in 2008...

Unless the law was revised or repealed, he was right.

That's not a compelling argument for a lot of people who lost their homes or assets.

People didn't lose their homes or assets because the Fed did a Liquidity Swap with other Central Banks.

You are way too literal in try to make sociopaths look good.
Why didn't the Fed spread the love to Americans?

You are way too literal in try to make sociopaths look good.

I'm not trying to make Grayson look good.

Why didn't the Fed spread the love to Americans?

Keeping our banking system afloat was pretty groovy.
I got some of the love when I refinanced my mortgage at a crazy low rate.

Me too.

 

[Cellblock2429]

No Donald it makes you a rich asshole who takes advantage of the tax code.

Do you tell your accountant to take every legal deduction on your return? Ever sell some personal item for cash and not report it? Ever do work and were paid in cash and not report it? Ever exaggerate your allowable expenses to reduce your tax burden? Ever exaggerate the amount of clothing you donate to charity so you can reduce your tax rate? Ever????

 

[defcon4]

The Federal Reserve is not a Government agency and it is not accountable to any branches of the U.S. Government...

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

 

[Dale Smith]

This one is retarded on it's face.

1. The government is not our friend. Nor does it work for “we the people.”
2. Our so-called government representatives do not actually represent us, the citizenry. We are now ruled by an oligarchic elite of governmental and corporate interests whose main interest is in perpetuating power and control.
3. Republicans and Democrats like to act as if there’s a huge difference between them and their policies. However, they are not sworn enemies so much as they are partners in crime, united in a common goal, which is to maintain the status quo.
4. Presidential elections are not exercises in self-government. They are merely business forums for selecting the next CEO of the United States of America, Inc.
5. No matter which candidate wins this election, the police state will continue to grow. In other words, it will win and “we the people” will lose.
6. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
7. Twenty years ago, a newspaper headline asked the question: “What’s the difference between a politician and a psychopath?” The answer, then and now, remains the same: None. There is virtually no difference between psychopaths and politicians.
8. Americans only think they’re choosing the next president. In truth, however, they’re engaging in the illusion of participation culminating in the reassurance ritual of voting. It’s just another manufactured illusion conjured up in order to keep the populace compliant and convinced that their vote counts and that they still have some influence over the political process.
9. More than terrorism, more than domestic extremism, more than gun violence and organized crime, the U.S. government has become a greater menace to the life, liberty and property of its citizens than any of the so-called dangers from which the government claims to protect us.
10. The government knows exactly which buttons to push in order to manipulate the populace and gain the public’s cooperation and compliance.
11. Fear, which now permeates the populace, leads to fascism.
12. If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.
13. America’s shadow government—which is comprised of unelected government bureaucrats, corporations, contractors, paper-pushers, and button-pushers who are actually calling the shots behind the scenes right now and operates beyond the reach of the Constitution with no real accountability to the citizenry—is the real reason why “we the people” have no control over our government.
14. The government does whatever it wants.
15. You no longer have to be poor, black or guilty to be treated like a criminal in America. All that is required is that you belong to the suspect class—that is, the citizenry—of the American police state. As a de factomember of this so-called criminal class, every U.S. citizen is now guilty until proven innocent.
16. Any police officer who shoots to kill rather than incapacitate is no longer a guardian of the people. By appointing himself judge, jury and executioner over a fellow citizen, such a police officer short-circuits a legal system that was long ago established to protect against such abuses by government agents.
17. Whether instigated by the government or the citizenry, violence will only lead to more violence. Anyone who believes that they can wage—and win—an armed revolt against the American police state is playing right into the government’s hands.
18. “We the people” are no longer shielded by the rule of law. While the First Amendment—which gives us a voice—is being muzzled, the Fourth Amendment—which protects us from being bullied, badgered, beaten, broken and spied on by government agents—is being disemboweled.
19. Government eyes are watching you. They see your every move: what you read, how much you spend, where you go, with whom you interact, when you wake up in the morning, what you’re watching on television and reading on the internet. Every move you make is being monitored, mined for data, crunched, and tabulated in order to form a picture of who you are, what makes you tick, and how best to control you when and if it becomes necessary to bring you in line.
20. By gradually whittling away at our freedoms—free speech, assembly, due process, privacy, etc.—the government has, in effect, liberated itself from its contractual agreement to respect our constitutional rights while resetting the calendar back to a time when we had no Bill of Rights to protect us from the long arm of the government.
21. Private property means nothing if the government can take your home, car or money under the flimsiest of pretexts, whether it be asset forfeiture schemes, eminent domain or overdue property taxes. Likewise,private property means little at a time when SWAT teams and other government agents can invade your home, break down your doors, kill your dog, wound or kill you, damage your furnishings and terrorize your family.
22. If there is an absolute maxim by which the federal government seems to operate, it is that the American taxpayer always gets ripped off.
23. Parents no longer have the final say over what their kids are taught, how they are disciplined, or what kinds of medical care they need. From the moment they are born to the time they legally come of age, young people are now wards of the state.
24. All you need to do in order to be flagged as a suspicious character, labeled an enemy of the state and locked up like a dangerous criminal is use certain trigger words, surf the internet, communicate using a cell phone, drive a car, stay at a hotel, purchase materials at a hardware store, take flying or boating lessons, appear suspicious, question government authority, or generally live in the United States. Americans are powerless in the face of militarized police.
25. Despite the revelations of the past several years, nothing has changed to push back against the American police state. Our freedoms—especially the Fourth Amendment—continue to be choked out by a prevailing view among government bureaucrats that they have the right to search, seize, strip, scan, spy on, probe, pat down, taser, and arrest any individual at any time and for the slightest provocation.
26. Forced cavity searches, forced colonoscopies, forced blood draws, forced breath-alcohol tests, forced DNA extractions, forced eye scans, and forced inclusion in biometric databases are just a few ways in which Americans continue to be reminded that we have no control over what happens to our bodies during an encounter with government officials.\
27. Finally, we all bleed red. And we all suffer when violence becomes the government’s calling card. Remember, in a police state, you’re either the one with your hand on the trigger or you’re staring down the barrel of a loaded gun. The oppression and injustice—be it in the form of shootings, surveillance, fines, asset forfeiture, prison terms, roadside searches, and so on—will come to all of us eventually unless we do something to stop it now.

I'm not going to waste my morning tearing them all down one by one, but let's just examine a few --

1. The government is not our friend. Nor does it work for “we the people.”

In fact, the government is your fellow Americans, who took jobs in good faith, work earnestly to serve at whatever level or position they're at. Our Government is your friends and neighbors. They go to your church, they shop at your mall, they pay taxes. That's what Government is -- people, just like you. The notion that Government is some evil other out to get you, harm you, take your money, is just stupid.


2. Our so-called government representatives do not actually represent us, the citizenry. We are now ruled by an oligarchic elite of governmental and corporate interests whose main interest is in perpetuating power and control.

The federal government is too easily influenced by big money and interests. State and local governments to a lesser degree. But we're talking INFLUENCE. Not control or rule. Lobbyists certainly influence policy, but they don't control the voting. And overtime bad policy starts to stink and the American people catch on and BANG you have a populous movement. The idiot who wrote this crappy book or whatever lives in some sort of Hollywood conspiracy movie.

There are good representatives, I know this because I've met them, called their offices and gotten help on issues -- and there are bad representative who see a Senate seat as stepping stone to a cushy consulting or lobbying job. We can debate if there are more good ones or bad ones, but the "all are bad" thinking is just not grounded in reality.

This guy sounds like a typical bitter libertarian who's life and career fell way short of his dreams (probably because he's a difficult person, not well-liked, sort of know-it-all that turns people off) and now he needs to blame something -- so the big bad Government. Meanwhile his right to complain remains intact.


3. Presidential elections are not exercises in self-government. They are merely business forums for selecting the next CEO of the United States of America, Inc.

This one made me laugh out loud. You know how much fucking money they spent trying to make sure Romney beat Obama? Conservative Millionaires and billionaires wanted Karl Roves head after 2012. I'm surprised Turd Blossom is not sleeping with the fishes.

There is way too much money in U.S. Politics -- but if you really understand economics, you'd understand that every four years, America funds its own mini stimulus package. Billions are spent - Multiplier effect etc.

So this corrupting element (money) actually gives the economy a little bump. That's not an argument for more money in politics.

That is a very polly-anna vision of what you wish it was....actually what I wish it was but that's not reality and hasn't been in our lifetime. I'll be back to break down YOUR breakdown of what I posted in a bit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note.

Yup. I have some. Kinda cool. So US Notes were why JFK was killed?

 

[kaz]

The fed leaders are appointed, re-appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Bitch much?

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

Wow.

"Printing money" is a term used for the creation of money from nothing. You thought it was literal?

You don't belong in this conversation, you need to learn the basics of the discussion first

 

[kaz]

I am not bitching. I am trying to raise your awareness not to make a fool of yourself for all to see.

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note.

Yup. I have some. Kinda cool. So US Notes were why JFK was killed?

Unreal, isn't it? Deafcon thought we were talking about literal paper money, not the money supply. No wonder he wasn't getting the points

 

[defcon4]

Wow.

"Printing money" is a term used for the creation of money from nothing. You thought it was literal?

You don't belong in this conversation, you need to learn the basics of the discussion first

That made no sense. I said "printed on the bill" If you have no idea about engraved plates what are used to print bank notes that is your problem. Printing fiat money is another issue. Your lame spinning attempts are very childish. You are right, no need to engage in posting with you (Note>>> posting and not conversation) since your aim is trolling. hehehe...

 

[defcon4]

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note.

Yup. I have some. Kinda cool. So US Notes were why JFK was killed?

Unreal, isn't it? Deafcon thought we were talking about literal paper money, not the money supply. No wonder he wasn't getting the points

Why are you such a troll? You totally ignored my post or you are an imbecile and have already forgotten it. hahahaha

Dollar Deception - How Banks Secretly Create Money

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fed was created by an act of congress, it sets government monetary policy, it pays all it's "profits" to the US treasury, it's leaders are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, banks are required by the law to be regulated by them. Which I described as "government."

And you're trying to "raise {my} awareness not to make a fool of {myself}?

Um ... thanks ... I'd worry about your own clueless dorkiness. Interesting you wanted an audience for that education you just got. Unreal

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note.

Yup. I have some. Kinda cool. So US Notes were why JFK was killed?

Unreal, isn't it? Deafcon thought we were talking about literal paper money, not the money supply. No wonder he wasn't getting the points

I think he was hinting at the conspiracy theory that JFK was gutting or eliminating the Fed and that's why he was killed.
If he was, he got the conspiracy wrong, it was silver certificates that got him killed, not US Notes.
Us Notes that were still printed until 1971.

 

[Indeependent]

You're welcome. You've read it on their own website and on Wikipedia...Congratulations, they screwed you over...hahaha.. gullible people fall for disinformation packaged in nice gift wrapping for Christmas....
$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated. They disappeared from circulation and we have Federal Reserve Notes.... only, pay attention to the difference in designation between the two.

$ 4.2 billion worth of U.S. Bank Notes were issued just before Kennedy was assassinated.

Confusing US Notes with Silver Certificates? That's a shock.
US Notes were issued until 1971.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note" Red Seal Note. Issued by the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve.

"U.S. Note" were printed on the bills and not "Federal Reserve Note.

Yup. I have some. Kinda cool. So US Notes were why JFK was killed?

Unreal, isn't it? Deafcon thought we were talking about literal paper money, not the money supply. No wonder he wasn't getting the points

I think he was hinting at the conspiracy theory that JFK was gutting or eliminating the Fed and that's why he was killed.
If he was, he got the conspiracy wrong, it was silver certificates that got him killed, not US Notes.
Us Notes that were still printed until 1971.

I thought it was a bullet.