NRA Children's Museum

[Mac-7]

Yeah...like a gun nut selling weapons no questions asked would make that fine distinction.

That happens even in gun control countries like the UK

 

[martybegan]

Yeah, here's the problem when you don't

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So the kid's social media history is clearly showing, to put it mildly, alarming signs. He's buying body armor and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. He's not going to school and is fired from his job.

None of that would show up on a criminal background check.... But clearly the pattern listed above is a Hollywood story board of a film where the final scene would be a school shooting.

Should the authorities have taken the time to go through the non-criminal history of this gunman detailed above (and this is just what I cut and pasted from the article--there is MUCH MUCH MORE)? I'm sure you'll say no because, hell, it would mean one less weapon being sold. And we can't have that now, can we?

Unbelievable.

A year before Uvalde shooting, gunman had threatened women, carried around a dead cat and been nicknamed “school shooter”

Identified as at-risk, he never received special education services and ultimately flunked out, according to a Texas House committee report.

www.texastribune.org

Then that's on the powers that be's hands for not following through, and no reason for NYC to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees or so just to keep a fucking revolver in my own apartment.

 

[Abatis]

None of that would show up on a criminal background check.... But clearly the pattern listed above is a Hollywood story board of a film where the final scene would be a school shooting.

OK?

And?

The 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(4) legal standards to forbid a person to possess a gun and to place them in the NICS so they can't buy a gun, is long established and well known and under no legal challenge from gun rights people.

If a person's problems are never addressed and they never are, "adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution" they will not be a prohibited person (for mental heatlh issues). It isn't enough that the lunch lady or a co-worker always knew they were batshit crazy and someday would "just go off" . . .

The familiar after-report of these incidents are a litany of missed signals and shoula-woulda-coulda's, and if only we's, but if the shooter was never, "adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution", actually keeping them from getting a gun is not among the, shoula-woulda-coulda, and if only we laments . . .

So, whose fault is that? Family, school, public health personnel, it ain't the NRA's or gun rights people, that's for sure . . .

Should the authorities have taken the time to go through the non-criminal history of this gunman . . . I'm sure you'll say no because, hell, it would mean one less weapon being sold. And we can't have that now, can we?

Your prediction is correct, the answer is NO but not for the ignorant, dumb reason you imagine.

The RKBA is a fundamental right and cannot be disabled without due process.

Yeah, examining the "non-criminal history" could've been of some value to assess this person's mental state as a process to perhaps have a doctor or a judge make a decision in alignment with §922(g)(4).

The Monster of Uvalde was an animal torturer and mutilator; he carried around bags of decapitated cats. Sickos like him have a preoccupation with heads and faces and fixate on negating / obliterating facial features. From early childhood people like him create drawings of people and animals that feature headless bodies or faceless heads . . . Was anyone paying attention?

He was not an experienced gun user; he could only imagine what bullets would do to faces. He shot his grandmother in the face and then the cops gave him an hour to experiment on his victims at the school. We will find out the children who were mutilated were shot many, many times post-mortem so the "AR is a devastating weapon that decapitates" line of reasoning is typical cultivated leftist emotional bullshit; what happened had less to do with the terminal ballistics of the AR-15 than the depths of mental illness this POS was operating in, and nobody was paying attention.

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[candycorn]

The RKBA is a fundamental right and cannot be disabled without due process.

Yeah, examining the "non-criminal history" could've been of some value to assess this person's mental state as a process to perhaps have a doctor or a judge make a decision in alignment with §922(g)(4).

The Monster of Uvalde was an animal torturer and mutilator; he carried around bags of decapitated cats. Sickos like him have a preoccupation with heads and faces and fixate on negating / obliterating facial features. From early childhood people like him create drawings of people and animals that feature headless bodies or faceless heads . . . Was anyone paying attention?

And up until he slaughtered the first kid, he was perfectly able to buy as many weapons has he could. The bags of dead cats, since "due process" had not been carried out, means nothing.

Was anyone paying attention? Maybe. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Unless "due process" hasn't been served, it doesn't matter.

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

But, thanks to the NRA and the gun nuts in the world...all of that is inadmissible as evidence. It takes "due process" for someone to say "no" to this "monster", right?

Every other advanced nation on earth has outgrown the silly facade that you've described so beautifully above. And this is why they don't the monthly massacres to remind us how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is.

 

[candycorn]

Then that's on the powers that be's hands for not following through, and no reason for NYC to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees or so just to keep a fucking revolver in my own apartment.

Following through? What legal maneuver could the "powers that be" have done? Background checks don't include someone's social media history or how they conduct themselves on Playstation.

 

[2aguy]

And up until he slaughtered the first kid, he was perfectly able to buy as many weapons has he could. The bags of dead cats, since "due process" had not been carried out, means nothing.

Was anyone paying attention? Maybe. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Unless "due process" hasn't been served, it doesn't matter.

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

But, thanks to the NRA and the gun nuts in the world...all of that is inadmissible as evidence. It takes "due process" for someone to say "no" to this "monster", right?

Every other advanced nation on earth has outgrown the silly facade that you've described so beautifully above. And this is why they don't the monthly massacres to remind us how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is.

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

Since he didn’t show up at the gun store with the bag of dead cats, they had only the mandatory, Federal Background check to scrutinize the guy…..

And he only passed that background check because your god, government, failed. That bag of cats was a felony…..his online threats were also actionable by the police….you moron….the police could have arrested him for both….you idiot……so no, the NRA had noth8ng to do with this….

Your god failed again…

You don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

And up until he slaughtered the first kid, he was perfectly able to buy as many weapons has he could. The bags of dead cats, since "due process" had not been carried out, means nothing.

Was anyone paying attention? Maybe. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Unless "due process" hasn't been served, it doesn't matter.

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

But, thanks to the NRA and the gun nuts in the world...all of that is inadmissible as evidence. It takes "due process" for someone to say "no" to this "monster", right?

Every other advanced nation on earth has outgrown the silly facade that you've described so beautifully above. And this is why they don't the monthly massacres to remind us how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is.

Except for the fact that Europe murdered 15 million people in just 6 years….in modern time….not in the Middle Ages…….not a mongol horde…..modern Europeans murdered 15 million people after taking away their guns…..using the same promises you are making here……

Then Russia…25 million….China…70 million …and today they still have slaves and are committing genocide…..

And you think we should give up our guns?

As the democrats release the most violent criminals over and over again turning their blue cities into hell holes?

 

[Mac-7]

candycorn

The truth hurts, huh?

 

[candycorn]

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

Since he didn’t show up at the gun store with the bag of dead cats, they had only the mandatory, Federal Background check to scrutinize the guy…..

And the bag of dead cats doesn't show up on the report. Does it now.

And he only passed that background check because your god, government, failed.

Was he arrested for the dead cats? I didn't see where he was.

That bag of cats was a felony…..his online threats were also actionable by the police….

Yeah, if they knew about it. Is the NRA suddenly for prying into someones' social media posts to see if they are a full blown gun nut or just a half cocked gun nut? What about missing school? Employment history? What about his immediate family's history? The purchases of firearms AND body armor? Should all that be on the table according to the NRA?
"NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop criminals from getting firearms, because some proposals to do so would deprive individuals of due process of law, and because NRA opposes firearm registration."

This psychopath should have been deprived.... But thanks to the NRA....someone is likely purchasing a firearm today that will be used to murder kids.

Hence the museum is a perfect reminder of what the 2nd Amendment has wrought.

 

[candycorn]

Except for the fact that Europe murdered 15 million people in just 6 years….in modern time….not in the Middle Ages…….not a mongol horde…..modern Europeans murdered 15 million people after taking away their guns…..using the same promises you are making here……

Then Russia…25 million….China…70 million …and today they still have slaves and are committing genocide…..

And you think we should give up our guns?

As the democrats release the most violent criminals over and over again turning their blue cities into hell holes?

Oh wait, was this the same Europe that has something like a dozen mass shootings a year compared to our 800 +/- this year so far?

LOL...

 

[Abatis]

And up until he slaughtered the first kid, he was perfectly able to buy as many weapons has he could. The bags of dead cats, since "due process" had not been carried out, means nothing.

I always enjoy it when my debate opponents demonstrate they have no functional knowledge of the subject being discussed. It does create a dilemma; do I correct them with an answer that I know they will not understand?

Was anyone paying attention? Maybe. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Unless "due process" hasn't been served, it doesn't matter.

Don't throw around terms that have actual, important meaning and significance, when you don't understand them.

Of course, any sane human being could look at this guy with his bag of dead cats, his online threats to rape people, his statements of fatalism, and quickly conclude that he shouldn't have been sold a gun.

And we are back to the argument that all we need to do is listen to people who have no role in determining gun dispossession, to decide gun dispossession. Again, examining that history could've been of some value to assess this person's mental state as part of the process to have a doctor or a judge make a decision in alignment with §922(g)(4).

But, thanks to the NRA and the gun nuts in the world...all of that is inadmissible as evidence. It takes "due process" for someone to say "no" to this "monster", right?

Again, don't throw around terms that have actual, important meaning and significance, when you don't understand them.

Every other advanced nation on earth has outgrown the silly facade that you've described so beautifully above. And this is why they don't the monthly massacres to remind us how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is.

I do not dispute that other societies that have had generational if not hundreds of years of firearm restriction from the general population, have lower rates of firearm death.

My argument is, it is ridiculous for anti-gunners here in the USA to think that, that POLITICAL gun control can be reverse engineered and forced on the people here.

You are plainly stating you want strict gun control (e.g., Japan) imposed of Americans to "save lives" but what you are really advocating for is civil war and millions of lives being sacrificed to implement statist, authoritarian leftist government.

You act like you want to save lives but your radical hostility for anyone who opposes your political agenda, proves you are quite agreeable to lots of people getting killed, just as long as they are the "right" people.

See, even if you, personally, altruistically, believe in "gun control" because you, personally, altruistically, believe it will reduce crime, then you are what Lenin called a "useful idiot"; one who believes the party propaganda and works for the political takeover, without outward (or even conscious) support for it.

That's the very best that can be said for your idiotic, anti-American support for gun control, that you are a pathetic, ignorant, unwitting dupe.

 

[martybegan]

Following through? What legal maneuver could the "powers that be" have done? Background checks don't include someone's social media history or how they conduct themselves on Playstation.

Most of these shooters have had several run ins with actual mental health providers, maybe they can use the laws that exist and try to adjudicate those they find a threat.

Or if there are earlier acts of violence actually prosecute them, giving them a record and maybe making them prohibited from owning firearms legally.

 

[Abatis]

Oh wait, was this the same Europe that has something like a dozen mass shootings a year compared to our 800 +/- this year so far?

LOL...

LOL indeed . . .

You cite "our 800 +/- this year so far" but using what criteria?

The "mass shooting" complier that most DEMedia and gun control promoting politicians and activists point to, The Gun Violence Archive, puts the 2022 number so far, at 356 (as of July 18, 2022).

GVA says for them to include an incident in their database as a "mass shooting" it has:

"a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident".​

That is a very loose criteria that lumps in many, many incidents that are NOT what regular people watching the news consider to be a "mass shooting".

Most European nations and certainly Australia and New Zeeland employ different criteria, some require an incident to cause five or more DEATHS before it is included in any tally of "mass shootings".

Even you, someone who so obviously lacks impartial critical thinking skills, should be able to recognize and understand and accept, that comparing to the USA, against a nation that would never think of considering an incident as a "mass shooting" that only results in four people being injured, is worse than disingenuous.

Show your goddamned work, cite and quote the different criteria's used, of the nations you are using to make your dishonest comparisons -- or just shut your lying pie-hole up . . . "our 800 +/- this year so far", LOL indeed!.

 

[2aguy]

Oh wait, was this the same Europe that has something like a dozen mass shootings a year compared to our 800 +/- this year so far?

LOL...

We haven't had 800 mass public shootings this year....you liar....

Europe?

They seem to like their government to do almost all of their mass murder.....

6 years in Europe they murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children....1939-1945......

More people murdered in 6 years than all gun murders in the United States in our whole 246 year history....

If you are generous and give 20,000 as the average gun murder number in the U.S per year....and that is way over the average......

4.92 million murdered with guns in the U.S. in 246 years....

Then.....

German socialists


By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

http://[URL='http://hawaii.edu/powe...]http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

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[2aguy]

LOL indeed . . .

You cite "our 800 +/- this year so far" but using what criteria?

The "mass shooting" complier that most DEMedia and gun control promoting politicians and activists point to, The Gun Violence Archive, puts the 2022 number so far, at 356 (as of July 18, 2022).

GVA says for them to include an incident in their database as a "mass shooting" it has:

"a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident".​

That is a very loose criteria that lumps in many, many incidents that are NOT what regular people watching the news consider to be a "mass shooting".

Most European nations and certainly Australia and New Zeeland employ different criteria, some require an incident to cause five or more DEATHS before it is included in any tally of "mass shootings".

Even you, someone who so obviously lacks impartial critical thinking skills, should be able to recognize and understand and accept, that comparing to the USA, against a nation that would never think of considering an incident as a "mass shooting" that only results in four people being injured, is worse than disingenuous.

Show your goddamned work, cite and quote the different criteria's used, of the nations you are using to make your dishonest comparisons -- or just shut your lying pie-hole up . . . "our 800 +/- this year so far", LOL indeed!.

Don't forget.....when the number of killed to qualify as a mass public shooting wasn't getting a high enough number of mass public shootings, obama lowered the number of killed to 3...

Not a lot of people know this...but he did it....

Also.......

Mark Fullman, who serves as national affairs editor at Mother Jones, which is hardly a publication that can be said to be on the “pro-gun” side of current political arguments, argues in The New York Times that the statistic that is being used right now is quite simply wrong and ought to be abandoned:

At Mother Jones, where I work as an editor, we have compiled an in-depth, open-source database covering more than three decades of public mass shootings. By our measure, there have been four “mass shootings” this year, including the one in San Bernardino, and at least 73 such attacks since 1982.


Almost all of the gun crimes behind the much larger statistic are less lethal and bear little relevance to the type of public mass murder we have just witnessed again.



Including them in the same breath suggests that a 1 a.m. gang fight in a Sacramento restaurant, in which two were killed and two injured, is the same kind of event as a deranged man walking into a community college classroom and massacring nine and injuring nine others. Or that a late-night shootingon a street in Savannah, Ga., yesterday that injured three and killed one is in the same category as the madness that just played out in Southern California.

While all the victims are important, conflating those many other crimes with indiscriminate slaughter in public venues obscures our understanding of this complicated and growing problem.


Everyone is desperate to know why these attacks happen and how we might stop them — and we can’t know, unless we collect and focus on useful data that filter out the noise.


https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/h...-this-year-only-if-youre-relying-on-bad-data/


Have There Really Been 355 ‘Mass Shootings’ This Year? Only If You’re Relying On Bad Data

 

[2aguy]

LOL indeed . . .

You cite "our 800 +/- this year so far" but using what criteria?

The "mass shooting" complier that most DEMedia and gun control promoting politicians and activists point to, The Gun Violence Archive, puts the 2022 number so far, at 356 (as of July 18, 2022).

GVA says for them to include an incident in their database as a "mass shooting" it has:

"a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident".​

That is a very loose criteria that lumps in many, many incidents that are NOT what regular people watching the news consider to be a "mass shooting".

Most European nations and certainly Australia and New Zeeland employ different criteria, some require an incident to cause five or more DEATHS before it is included in any tally of "mass shootings".

Even you, someone who so obviously lacks impartial critical thinking skills, should be able to recognize and understand and accept, that comparing to the USA, against a nation that would never think of considering an incident as a "mass shooting" that only results in four people being injured, is worse than disingenuous.

Show your goddamned work, cite and quote the different criteria's used, of the nations you are using to make your dishonest comparisons -- or just shut your lying pie-hole up . . . "our 800 +/- this year so far", LOL indeed!.

Also......Australia.....public shootings post ban and confiscation that didn't qualify as mass public shootings simply because the killer was a bad shot....

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...e/news-story/ed86967684bfc2159b1c25b934c0ddb9
A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.
Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
  • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
• 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]
• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
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• 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]
• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
• 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
• 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]
• 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]
• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
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• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

---On 4 June 2019, a mass shooting occurred in Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia. The Northern Territory Police confirmed that four people were killed in the incident and another one was injured. A 45-year-old man, Benjamin Glenn Hoffmann, was arrested and subsequently charged with murder and attempted murder.[2][4][5]

----The Osmington shooting was a familicide in Osmington, Western Australia, Australia, on 11 May 2018, in which Peter Miles, a 61-year-old retired high school farm manager, shot dead his wife, daughter, and four grandchildren, before calling police and then committing suicide.[2] It is the worst shooting incident in Australia since the Port Arthur massacre of 1996.[3][4]

 

[woodwork201]

For example, wherever there’s a mass shooting conservatives retreat to the ‘mental health’ redoubt.

If that’s the case, then let’s make sure every American has access to affordable mental healthcare by expanding Medicaid in all 50 states as authorized by the ACA.

Young men in red states without children living with them often have no health insurance and aren’t eligible for Medicaid – young men who are committing mass shootings, young men who might not commit mass shooting if they had access to affordable mental healthcare.

Yet we hear nothing from the right as to policy addressing mental health and mass shootings; indeed, all we hear from the right is unwarranted opposition to expanding Medicaid.

The Democrats are the ones who fought the mental health funding in Biden's gun control bill.

But, as important as it is to treat and/or lockup the current crop of crazy young men, it's equally important to quit creating crazy young men.

We need to quit teaching white children that they're evil and the cause of all that's bad in the world. We need to quit teaching black children that white people are evil and are the cause of all that's bad in their world. We need to quit teaching young black children to run around in the streets in their underwear kicking and hitting policemen.

The rash of mental health care that we see is solvable. It is created intentionally and all we need do is to stop creating crazy people.

 

[woodwork201]

There is no requirement for private sellers to go through a background check.

Thanks to the NRA. Hence the gunshow loophole. What is this like the 9th time I've bitch slapped your silly ass?

Wrong; not thanks to the NRA. Thanks to the Constitution.

For 202 years, nobody had to go through a background check and we didn't have the shootings we have today. Neither the lack of background checks nor the existence of background checks have anything to do with the shootings we have seen. Not a single mass shooting with an AR-15 would have been stopped by a background check and not a single mass shooting has been stopped by a background check.

MotherJones publishes a database of mass shootings. In their database of 133 shootings, they list 16 as gun obtained illegally. Of those, most were stolen, in some cases by killing family members to get them. Of the 16, only two, purchased before Brady, were marked as illegally but came from a pawn shop. Not sure why they say they were illegally purchased.

Out of the entire list of 133, only 4 were purchased from a private individual where a background check was not required. More guns than 4 were issued to the killer by their government agencies - Oklahoma National Guard in one case and the Forest County Sheriff's Department in another case.

Background checks are totally pointless.

In fact, there were zero AR-15 mass shootings in the United States, probably in the world, before the Brady Bill was passed and zero before assault weapons weren't banned in 1994.

 

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Also......Australia.....public shootings post ban and confiscation that didn't qualify as mass public shootings simply because the killer was a bad shot....

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...e/news-story/ed86967684bfc2159b1c25b934c0ddb9
A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.
Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 
  
• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
  • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
• 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]
• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
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• 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]
• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
• 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
• 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]
• 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]
• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 
  
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

---On 4 June 2019, a mass shooting occurred in Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia. The Northern Territory Police confirmed that four people were killed in the incident and another one was injured. A 45-year-old man, Benjamin Glenn Hoffmann, was arrested and subsequently charged with murder and attempted murder.[2][4][5]

----The Osmington shooting was a familicide in Osmington, Western Australia, Australia, on 11 May 2018, in which Peter Miles, a 61-year-old retired high school farm manager, shot dead his wife, daughter, and four grandchildren, before calling police and then committing suicide.[2] It is the worst shooting incident in Australia since the Port Arthur massacre of 1996.[3][4]

But..but.. there are no guns in Australia. Other than in the hands of criminals.

 

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Also......Australia.....public shootings post ban and confiscation that didn't qualify as mass public shootings simply because the killer was a bad shot....

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...e/news-story/ed86967684bfc2159b1c25b934c0ddb9
A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.
Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
• 
  
• 
  
• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
  • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
• 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]
• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
• 1
• 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]
• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
• 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
• 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]
• 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]
• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 
  
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

---On 4 June 2019, a mass shooting occurred in Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia. The Northern Territory Police confirmed that four people were killed in the incident and another one was injured. A 45-year-old man, Benjamin Glenn Hoffmann, was arrested and subsequently charged with murder and attempted murder.[2][4][5]

----The Osmington shooting was a familicide in Osmington, Western Australia, Australia, on 11 May 2018, in which Peter Miles, a 61-year-old retired high school farm manager, shot dead his wife, daughter, and four grandchildren, before calling police and then committing suicide.[2] It is the worst shooting incident in Australia since the Port Arthur massacre of 1996.[3][4]

Ok; here's a question for you. When is the last time a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun in Australia or in the UK? They stopped those evil good guys from killing. The ladies on The View love that idea.