Obama officially turns back on Isreal.

[lvcabbie]

Everybody makes a big deal out of "Palestine"!!! Just what was Palestine? Here's the great nation before the Romans came along.
wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Levant_830.svg

Doesn't look all that big, does it?
Then there was this PRIOR to WWI -
wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Ottoman_levant.png/
So then the Brits and other Allies beat the Turks and create this -
wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/BritishMandatePalestine1920.png/
Does anybody see a "Palestine" yet?
Then - On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13 with 10 abstentions, in favour of a plan to partition the territory into separate Jewish and Arab states, under economic union, with the Greater Jerusalem area (encompassing Bethlehem) coming under international control. Zionist leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it and all independent Muslim and Arab states voted against it
Oh, so that's how we got there.
Then,
In the course of the Six Day War in June 1967, Israel captured the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt
And we finally have this with something called "Palestine" that was only the creation of the FRENCH and BRITISH!!!!!
.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Is-wb-gs-gh_v3.png/
[Doesn't look a whole lot different than before the Romans, does it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jews have always been in what is now called Israel. they have been there for 3000 years.

That is correct, however, the indigenous Jews of Palestine opposed the Zionist takeover of Palestine.

and who are the "indigenous Jews of Palestine"?

STATEMENT TO THE U.N. SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE by Chief Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky
July 16, 1947

Good neighbourly relations with other sections of the population.

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated. It was common knowledge that these Jews came but for the purpose of fulfilling certain religious requirements and they had no difficulty in establishing a mutual trust, and real friendship developed with all sections of the community. That was the time when good neighborly relations existed between Jews and Arabs and in particular Rabbis and eminent scholars who then lead the Jewish Community were greatly esteemed and honoured by all inhabitants.

With the occupation of Palestine by His Britannic Majesty's Forces and after the confirmation of the Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917 a new era opened in the history of the Holy Land. We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced.

Orthodox Jewry has not the slightest intention of subjugating any section of the population of the Holy Land. We merely demand that the gates of Palestine be opened to all those Jews who have no home and enable them to live here Jewish lives in accordance with the commandments of the L-rd. However in order to avoid the continuation of the untenable position as set out in the last paragraph of section 4 we suggest that the keys of Jewish immigration be placed into the hands of the Government of this country.

We furthermore wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.

Statement to the U.N. Special Committee on Palestine July 1947

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Again you try to divert from the Lies of the FAUX article.
Thank you.

There was no need to, the very quotes in that post expose your lie better than anything I could say again. Why do you think everyone is as stupid as you and can't see for themselves what you changed simply by reading the quotes in the post???

right sure I did. Anything Faux was your victory lap.

Still you can't rebut my exposing the obvious lies of the FAUX article.

And if you still want me to continue making a fool of you in the other thread, I will over there.

Here let's do it this way
Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Your rebutal is?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That is correct, however, the indigenous Jews of Palestine opposed the Zionist takeover of Palestine.

and who are the "indigenous Jews of Palestine"?

STATEMENT TO THE U.N. SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE by Chief Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky
July 16, 1947

Good neighbourly relations with other sections of the population.

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated. It was common knowledge that these Jews came but for the purpose of fulfilling certain religious requirements and they had no difficulty in establishing a mutual trust, and real friendship developed with all sections of the community. That was the time when good neighborly relations existed between Jews and Arabs and in particular Rabbis and eminent scholars who then lead the Jewish Community were greatly esteemed and honoured by all inhabitants.

With the occupation of Palestine by His Britannic Majesty's Forces and after the confirmation of the Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917 a new era opened in the history of the Holy Land. We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced.

Orthodox Jewry has not the slightest intention of subjugating any section of the population of the Holy Land. We merely demand that the gates of Palestine be opened to all those Jews who have no home and enable them to live here Jewish lives in accordance with the commandments of the L-rd. However in order to avoid the continuation of the untenable position as set out in the last paragraph of section 4 we suggest that the keys of Jewish immigration be placed into the hands of the Government of this country.

We furthermore wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.

Statement to the U.N. Special Committee on Palestine July 1947

July 16, 1947

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated

The Israeli- Arab war begin in 1948

1948 Arab

 

[edthecynic]

right sure I did. Anything Faux was your victory lap.

Still you can't rebut my exposing the obvious lies of the FAUX article.

And if you still want me to continue making a fool of you in the other thread, I will over there.

Here let's do it this way
Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Your rebutal is?

My rebuttal is, FAUX did what you parroted in the other thread and changed 1967 borders to PRE-1967 borders.
Get IT.
Now tell me, Did FAUX lie about PRE-1967 borders?
Yes or no first before any rationalization or dodge.

Obama, in a sweeping address tackling the uprisings in the Middle East and the stalled peace process, stunned Washington and Jerusalem by endorsing Palestinians' demand for their own state based on the pre-1967 borders.

Read more: Netanyahu Rejects Obama Call for Palestinian State Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com​

 

[P F Tinmore]

and who are the "indigenous Jews of Palestine"?

STATEMENT TO THE U.N. SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE by Chief Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky
July 16, 1947

Good neighbourly relations with other sections of the population.

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated. It was common knowledge that these Jews came but for the purpose of fulfilling certain religious requirements and they had no difficulty in establishing a mutual trust, and real friendship developed with all sections of the community. That was the time when good neighborly relations existed between Jews and Arabs and in particular Rabbis and eminent scholars who then lead the Jewish Community were greatly esteemed and honoured by all inhabitants.

With the occupation of Palestine by His Britannic Majesty's Forces and after the confirmation of the Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917 a new era opened in the history of the Holy Land. We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced.

Orthodox Jewry has not the slightest intention of subjugating any section of the population of the Holy Land. We merely demand that the gates of Palestine be opened to all those Jews who have no home and enable them to live here Jewish lives in accordance with the commandments of the L-rd. However in order to avoid the continuation of the untenable position as set out in the last paragraph of section 4 we suggest that the keys of Jewish immigration be placed into the hands of the Government of this country.

We furthermore wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.

Statement to the U.N. Special Committee on Palestine July 1947

July 16, 1947

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated

The Israeli- Arab war begin in 1948

1948 Arab

Yeah, so?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Still you can't rebut my exposing the obvious lies of the FAUX article.

And if you still want me to continue making a fool of you in the other thread, I will over there.

Here let's do it this way
Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Your rebutal is?

My rebuttal is, FAUX did what you parroted in the other thread and changed 1967 borders to PRE-1967 borders.
Get IT.
Now tell me, Did FAUX lie about PRE-1967 borders?
Yes or no first before any rationalization or dodge.

Obama, in a sweeping address tackling the uprisings in the Middle East and the stalled peace process, stunned Washington and Jerusalem by endorsing Palestinians' demand for their own state based on the pre-1967 borders.

Read more: Netanyahu Rejects Obama Call for Palestinian State Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com​

So Obamush wants Isreal to move it's borders back to the 1967 border line?

Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

 

[edthecynic]

Just to keep this post fresh in this lengthy thread is some CON$ can muster up the guts to address its points.

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com

What a piece of work, if I where Isreal I would throw up the big F.U. sign and carry on with my business. We will make relations better with Isreal after 2012 is over with. This president is embarrassing.

Oh come on!!!! Everybody with a brain knows FAUX are pathological liars, but there are still people stupid enough to believe them!!!

They open your link with an obvious lie in the second paragraph. But it is not obvious to CON$!

Obama, in a sweeping address tackling the uprisings in the Middle East and the stalled peace process, stunned Washington and Jerusalem by endorsing Palestinians' demand for their own state based on the pre-1967 borders.

Not only did the pathological liars truncate the quote leaving out the "mutually agreed swaps" they also added the "PRE-" to the 1967.
Here's what Obama actually said:

Full transcript of Obama's Middle East speech - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states.

But that wasn't enough lying for the premeditated liars at FAUX, they then changed the 2004 commitment from "armistice lines of 1949" to "1967 lines."
The quote from your FAUX link:

That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004. ... Among other things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines."

The actual 2004 commitment:

Bush Press Conference with PM Sharon (4/14/2004)
As part of a final peace settlement, Israel must have secure and recognized borders which should emerge from negotiations between the parties, in accordance with U.N. Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

STATEMENT TO THE U.N. SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE by Chief Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky
July 16, 1947

Good neighbourly relations with other sections of the population.

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated. It was common knowledge that these Jews came but for the purpose of fulfilling certain religious requirements and they had no difficulty in establishing a mutual trust, and real friendship developed with all sections of the community. That was the time when good neighborly relations existed between Jews and Arabs and in particular Rabbis and eminent scholars who then lead the Jewish Community were greatly esteemed and honoured by all inhabitants.

With the occupation of Palestine by His Britannic Majesty's Forces and after the confirmation of the Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917 a new era opened in the history of the Holy Land. We Orthodox Jews whose forefathers promoted the development of the Jewish Yishuv throughout the generations, who for many centuries constituted the most important element of the Yishuv in the Holy Land, were always on the very best of terms with all sections of the Community. We had hoped that the real purpose of the Mandate would be the promotion of a "Home" to which Jews who lived in the Diaspora might be able to return as their Home Land in order to live here in accordance with the Commandments of the Almighty. It was upon the first appearance of the Zionist organization as a political entity, created in and by the spirit of reform, a spirit to which Orthodox Jewry is so utterly opposed that the idea of the foundation of a Jewish state in the Holy Land was first advanced.

Orthodox Jewry has not the slightest intention of subjugating any section of the population of the Holy Land. We merely demand that the gates of Palestine be opened to all those Jews who have no home and enable them to live here Jewish lives in accordance with the commandments of the L-rd. However in order to avoid the continuation of the untenable position as set out in the last paragraph of section 4 we suggest that the keys of Jewish immigration be placed into the hands of the Government of this country.

We furthermore wish to express our definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine.

Statement to the U.N. Special Committee on Palestine July 1947

July 16, 1947

During no period of the immigration of such orthodox European Jews was any opposition offered by the Arab population. On the contrary, these Jews were welcomed on account of economic benefits and general progress that accrued to the local inhabitants who had no fear whatsoever of being subjugated

The Israeli- Arab war begin in 1948

1948 Arab

Yeah, so?

Since it was the Arabs who started the war it looks as if the UN was blowing smoke up someones ass. That so called peace didn't last a year.

 

[daveman]

Again, you two are too scared to address the OBVIOUS lies in the FAUX article, so you continue to try to derail the topic, which is why the mod merged the thread here in the first place.

Yawn.

Again you run terrified from addressing the lies in the FAUX article.
Thank you.

"Terrified"? What gave it away -- the hearty laughter at your utterly unearned sense of self-importance?

Watch closely, because I'm going to laugh directly in your face, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it:

Dumbass.

 

[jillian]

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com

What a piece of work, if I where Isreal I would throw up the big F.U. sign and carry on with my business. We will make relations better with Isreal after 2012 is over with. This president is embarrassing.

when professing righteous indication on behalf of Israel, it's probably a good idea to know how to spell the country's name.

just sayin'

 

[daveman]

Jillian, if Obama gets a 2nd term, where he doesn't need to appease votes anymore. Expect the most aggressive President ever against Israel!

It's not that Obama is against Israel.

He just want's to broker a fair and just settlement between Palestine and Israel once and for all.

Israel will have to finally face reality that everything can't go their way.

He knows that America is only gathering ill will by totally backing Israel in this conflict.

And it's time for the U.S. to be a true arbitrator in any settlement.

Because we don't need this problem to continue for another 60 years.

Of course you're thinking in the right direction. But the animosity that exists between Jews and Moslems has festered for millenia and there is no way that a peaceful accord can exist between Israel and the Arab world for longer than a few months. It is a cats and dogs situation.

The U.S. needs to mind its own business and let Israel deal with its own problems. And, once again, those Americans who are motivated to support Israel in its struggle against the Arabs should migrate to Israel and either join the IDF or do something else to aid the effort.

And those Americans who are motivated to support Arab terrorists in their struggle to kill Jews should migrate to Gaza and either join Hamas or do something else to aid the effort.

 

[edthecynic]

Here let's do it this way
Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Your rebutal is?

My rebuttal is, FAUX did what you parroted in the other thread and changed 1967 borders to PRE-1967 borders.
Get IT.
Now tell me, Did FAUX lie about PRE-1967 borders?
Yes or no first before any rationalization or dodge.

Obama, in a sweeping address tackling the uprisings in the Middle East and the stalled peace process, stunned Washington and Jerusalem by endorsing Palestinians' demand for their own state based on the pre-1967 borders.

Read more: Netanyahu Rejects Obama Call for Palestinian State Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com​

So Obamush wants Isreal to move it's borders back to the 1967 border line?

Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Why am I not surprised you could not give a straight yes or no answer, but chose instead to play dumb?!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

July 16, 1947



The Israeli- Arab war begin in 1948

1948 Arab

Yeah, so?

Since it was the Arabs who started the war it looks as if the UN was blowing smoke up someones ass. That so called peace didn't last a year.

Not so. The Palestinians Muslims, Christians, and Jews got along fine.The problems started when the Zionists came along. They started the war.

 

[daveman]

My rebuttal is, FAUX did what you parroted in the other thread and changed 1967 borders to PRE-1967 borders.
Get IT.
Now tell me, Did FAUX lie about PRE-1967 borders?
Yes or no first before any rationalization or dodge.

So Obamush wants Isreal to move it's borders back to the 1967 border line?

Obama said
"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,"

Why am I not surprised you could not give a straight yes or no answer, but chose instead to play dumb?!!!

Reb, just say "Faux Nooz are all doodieheads!" and this retard will leave you alone. He'll probably friend you, though.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yeah, so?

Since it was the Arabs who started the war it looks as if the UN was blowing smoke up someones ass. That so called peace didn't last a year.

Not so. The Palestinians Muslims, Christians, and Jews got along fine.The problems started when the Zionists came along. They started the war.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTbBx622-8]YouTube - ‪85 sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.divx‬‏[/ame]

 

[Trajan]

how many on these effing threads are there?


anyway-



"the 1967 boundary should be the first consideration for negotiations- OR-based on the 1967 lines "

I suggest those whom seem to think this is just the same old same old, need to peruse Security Council Resolution 242.


and you folks do know what was promised to Israel in a congressional bipartisan consensus April 2004...right?

 

[Trajan]

Yeah, so?

Since it was the Arabs who started the war it looks as if the UN was blowing smoke up someones ass. That so called peace didn't last a year.

Not so. The Palestinians Muslims, Christians, and Jews got along fine.The problems started when the Zionists came along. They started the war.

and what war was that again?

 

[edthecynic]

Yawn.

Again you run terrified from addressing the lies in the FAUX article.
Thank you.

"Terrified"? What gave it away -- the hearty laughter at your utterly unearned sense of self-importance?

Watch closely, because I'm going to laugh directly in your face, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it:

Dumbass.

Laughter is a well known defense mechanism to hide one's fear, so laugh all you want!!!

The fact remains you are still too afraid to address the points about the obvious lies of FAUX.

 

[Zander]