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The use of drones is not different than the use of Bombs against Dresden in WW II, Big Boy dropped on Hiroshima and Cruise Missiles used against Saddam's sons in Iraq - Collateral damage was the result. In fact Bush and Obama used more precise weapons and both did so in undeclared wars vis a vis FDR & Truman.
Presidents have to make difficult decisions and those made by a Commander-in-Chief are many times life and death ones. It is easy to be an armchair QB, I personally support the use of drones when used against the command and control leadership of those who have dedicated their life to killing Americans.
While I don't support Capital Punishment, per se, I have no problem with executing those who are not in custody and actively engaged in planning the death of our citizens.
Rule of law be damned. Planning the death of Americans? Can you back that up with any evidence. Lets talk about the 16 year old boy who was assassinated. Was he actively planning to kill americans?
The use of drones is not different than the use of Bombs against Dresden in WW II, Big Boy dropped on Hiroshima and Cruise Missiles used against Saddam's sons in Iraq - Collateral damage was the result. In fact Bush and Obama used more precise weapons and both did so in undeclared wars vis a vis FDR & Truman.
Presidents have to make difficult decisions and those made by a Commander-in-Chief are many times life and death ones. It is easy to be an armchair QB, I personally support the use of drones when used against the command and control leadership of those who have dedicated their life to killing Americans.
While I don't support Capital Punishment, per se, I have no problem with executing those who are not in custody and actively engaged in planning the death of our citizens.
Rule of law be damned. Planning the death of Americans? Can you back that up with any evidence. Lets talk about the 16 year old boy who was assassinated. Was he actively planning to kill americans?
I don't know the details re a 16 year old boy. But, how about Kadafi's (sic?) infant daughter killed when Reagan ordered our planes attack Libya? You may consider thus an apples and oranges comparison, I don't unless much more detail is known.
I know this is like asking a snake to change its habits, but how about not being a hypocrite so often?
The use of drones is not different than the use of Bombs against Dresden in WW II, Big Boy dropped on Hiroshima and Cruise Missiles used against Saddam's sons in Iraq - Collateral damage was the result. In fact Bush and Obama used more precise weapons and both did so in undeclared wars vis a vis FDR & Truman.
Presidents have to make difficult decisions and those made by a Commander-in-Chief are many times life and death ones. It is easy to be an armchair QB, I personally support the use of drones when used against the command and control leadership of those who have dedicated their life to killing Americans.
While I don't support Capital Punishment, per se, I have no problem with executing those who are not in custody and actively engaged in planning the death of our citizens.
Rule of law be damned. Planning the death of Americans? Can you back that up with any evidence. Lets talk about the 16 year old boy who was assassinated. Was he actively planning to kill americans?
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the 16-year old, wasn't assassinated. His death was collateral damage, the intended target was Ibrahim al-Banna.
U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions - The Washington Post
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U.S. military teams, intelligence deeply involved in aiding Yemen on strikes
After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said. The evidence has to meet a certain, defined threshold. The person, for instance, has to pose "a continuing and imminent threat to U.S. persons and interests," said one former intelligence official.
Rule of law be damned. Planning the death of Americans? Can you back that up with any evidence. Lets talk about the 16 year old boy who was assassinated. Was he actively planning to kill americans?
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the 16-year old, wasn't assassinated. His death was collateral damage, the intended target was Ibrahim al-Banna.
U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions - The Washington Post
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Oh, that makes it a lot better then. So the kid was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank goodness!
TM, STFU, you racist pig fucker.
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the 16-year old, wasn't assassinated. His death was collateral damage, the intended target was Ibrahim al-Banna.
U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions - The Washington Post
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Oh, that makes it a lot better then. So the kid was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank goodness!
Not saying it was OK, any unfortunate loss of life is regrettable.
What I did though is correct your inaccurate statement that he was assassinated, which was untrue as that would have require for him to be the target for the missile - which he wasn't.
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as·sas·si·nate (-ss-nt)
tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates
1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons.
2. To destroy or injure treacherously: assassinate a rival's character.
Officials throughout the U.S. government, however, have refused to answer questions for the record about how or why Awlaki was killed Oct. 14 in a remote part of Yemen, along with eight other people.
But when U.S. forces kill civilians or operations go awry in traditional war zones such as Afghanistan or Iraq, the military routinely conducts official investigations. The results are often declassified and released as public records.
The official silence about the death of the American teenager contrasts with the Obama administrations eagerness to trumpet another airstrike in Yemen two weeks earlier. In that case, armed drones controlled by the CIA killed the teens father, Anwar al-Awlaki, a dual Yemeni-American citizen who worked as a propagandist for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
In the case of Awlakis son, however, U.S. officials have been willing to talk only on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.
Obama memo justifies drone-war killing of Americans | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
Obama claims and orders that he has the authority to kill American civilians anywhere outside the Country any time he decides it is needed. All without Judicial, military or legal opinions actions or considerations.
His policy allows high level officials to simply say a person might be a threat and can not be captured, then with no consolation with the Military or Judiciary or Congress a drone attack to KILL that person can be ordered. A US Citizen, deprived of due process and all his Constitutional rights based solely on the Opinion of the President or high ranking officials.
Go ahead Obama supporters explain to us how this is legal or Constitutional. Show us you support the outright murder of anyone Obama feels like killing for just about any reason.,
TM, STFU, you racist pig fucker.
If you read the memo: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
...you can then stop talking out of your ass
Oh, that makes it a lot better then. So the kid was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank goodness!
Not saying it was OK, any unfortunate loss of life is regrettable.
What I did though is correct your inaccurate statement that he was assassinated, which was untrue as that would have require for him to be the target for the missile - which he wasn't.
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Semantics. Technically, by definition:
And the loss is so unfortunate that officials have just kept quiet except to say (according to your own link):
And
The official silence about the death of the American teenager contrasts with the Obama administrations eagerness to trumpet another airstrike in Yemen two weeks earlier. In that case, armed drones controlled by the CIA killed the teens father, Anwar al-Awlaki, a dual Yemeni-American citizen who worked as a propagandist for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
In the case of Awlakis son, however, U.S. officials have been willing to talk only on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.
Am I the only one who feels like this convo is extremely Orwellian?
U.S. military teams, intelligence deeply involved in aiding Yemen on strikes
After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said. The evidence has to meet a certain, defined threshold. The person, for instance, has to pose "a continuing and imminent threat to U.S. persons and interests," said one former intelligence official.
why was it OK when Bush did it?
Rule of law be damned. Planning the death of Americans? Can you back that up with any evidence. Lets talk about the 16 year old boy who was assassinated. Was he actively planning to kill americans?
Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the 16-year old, wasn't assassinated. His death was collateral damage, the intended target was Ibrahim al-Banna.
U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions - The Washington Post
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Oh, that makes it a lot better then. So the kid was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank goodness!
Not saying it was OK, any unfortunate loss of life is regrettable.
What I did though is correct your inaccurate statement that he was assassinated, which was untrue as that would have require for him to be the target for the missile - which he wasn't.
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Semantics. Technically, by definition:
And the loss is so unfortunate that officials have just kept quiet except to say (according to your own link):
And
In the case of Awlakis son, however, U.S. officials have been willing to talk only on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.
Am I the only one who feels like this convo is extremely Orwellian?
Not to mention how the Administration tried to lie when it first happen and claim that Abdulrahman was a 21 year old "insurgent."
Posted by Ravi
Exactly. I tried to warn you idiots when Bush was given the power to deem anyone a terrorist. But did you listen? Of course not.
Specific evidence, KissMy, or it did not happen, and you are lying.
