Obama was kept informed of the conversations by wire tap. No spin. No more BS libs

[francoHFW]

God you're stupid. Can you not read?
"Intercepted Russian Communications..."
This was surveillance of the Russians, not Trump. It just so happened that the Russians, who were being tapped, were talking to Trump's people. Ooops! Got it a little backwards, TinyBrain.

Try again.


" The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit

The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.

One official said intelligence reports based on some of the WIRE TAPPED COMMUNICATIONS had been provided to the White House."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Now tell me, Tiny, does being a Russian troll pay well?

It is up to the orange clown to present evidence of his charge of criminal activities on the part of President Obama. If he fails to do so, or just tries to ignore what he stated, it is going to haunt him for the whole of his Presidency, which may not last that long, in any case.

His accusations are just the Dan Rather/Mary Mapes style of politicing. We accuse. You defend.

You prove to us that Trump wasn't under surveillance. You prove to us that the Russians hacked the election.

Ball is in your court. All this surveillance over all these months and no one can show any evidence. Jack Shit should be the new code name for the NSA.

All tyhis stuff is top secret DUH, conspiracy nutjob. It's impossible to prove something didn't happen. It's just that in the real world Obama couldn't and the FBI didn't. Levin and Breitbart are fake news, dupe.I think you're a Russian super patriot. Is that how you got into Canada...

All the information you need is in the NYT. They are the ones who told us that the conversations the wire taps produced were passed on to the WH.

Of course duh. Taps of RUSSIAN DIPLOMATS. And GOP shytteheads...

 

[tinydancer]

So we have Mench's story confirmed by the BBC and the Guardian. Two left media outlets.

"the BBC put out a story echoing Mensch’s original report about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court warrant issued in October to allow the justice department to look into transfers and communications between the Russian banks and Trump associate – and that US intelligence agencies were investigating the link."

Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties

 

[bripat9643]

Trump is responsible for the enforcement policy at ICE. Trump is responsible for the actions of every executive branch department. He appointed the people in charge. If one does something wrong, Trump gets the blame because the buck stops at the top. At least Truman said so.

So why is it that Obama isn't responsible when in a similar situation?

If there was an illegal wire tap, Obama would be responsible because he was president just as he was responsible for all actions of his administration. However, the question is not whether he is responsible but whether he ordered an illegal wire tap.

It's very unlikely a president would order an illegal wire tap for several reasons. First, the likelihood that it could be traced back to the president is high. Second, FBI, CIA, or any other government employees would refuse to carry out a clearly illegal order and put their careers at risk and face the possibility of prosecution. A court order authorizing a wire goes all the way from the director or assistant director to the department head involved to the supervisor who overseas the operation. Anyone in the chain is legally obligate to refuse carrying it out. Lastly, anything discovered would be illegally obtained and inadmissible in court.

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

No. Where did you get that idea?

You just said they were "investigating" Trump's server.

 

[bripat9643]

If there was an illegal wire tap, Obama would be responsible because he was president just as he was responsible for all actions of his administration. However, the question is not whether he is responsible but whether he ordered an illegal wire tap.

It's very unlikely a president would order an illegal wire tap for several reasons. First, the likelihood that it could be traced back to the president is high. Second, FBI, CIA, or any other government employees would refuse to carry out a clearly illegal order and put their careers at risk and face the possibility of prosecution. A court order authorizing a wire goes all the way from the director or assistant director to the department head involved to the supervisor who overseas the operation. Anyone in the chain is legally obligate to refuse carrying it out. Lastly, anything discovered would be illegally obtained and inadmissible in court.

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

Cut him some slack. Its common for slow people to get confused if you say the FBI investigated... as opposed to the FBI wire tapped...

Apparently you think "wire tap" means the old way as when people had actual phones. Now it means going through your email and turning your cell phone into a bug remotely.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump is responsible for the enforcement policy at ICE. Trump is responsible for the actions of every executive branch department. He appointed the people in charge. If one does something wrong, Trump gets the blame because the buck stops at the top. At least Truman said so.

So why is it that Obama isn't responsible when in a similar situation?

If there was an illegal wire tap, Obama would be responsible because he was president just as he was responsible for all actions of his administration. However, the question is not whether he is responsible but whether he ordered an illegal wire tap.

It's very unlikely a president would order an illegal wire tap for several reasons. First, the likelihood that it could be traced back to the president is high. Second, FBI, CIA, or any other government employees would refuse to carry out a clearly illegal order and put their careers at risk and face the possibility of prosecution. A court order authorizing a wire goes all the way from the director or assistant director to the department head involved to the supervisor who overseas the operation. Anyone in the chain is legally obligate to refuse carrying it out. Lastly, anything discovered would be illegally obtained and inadmissible in court.

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

 

[bripat9643]

In this article the New York Times not only discusses the wire taps but points out that the White House was given the information.

Whoooooooooooooooooo hoooooooo! Thank you NYT's. There's something I thought I would never say.

" The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit

The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.

One official said intelligence reports based on some of the WIRE TAPPED COMMUNICATIONS had been provided to the White House."

Right there in the last line wiretaps and White House. Obama knew what was going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

God you're stupid. Can you not read?
"Intercepted Russian Communications..."
This was surveillance of the Russians, not Trump. It just so happened that the Russians, who were being tapped, were talking to Trump's people. Ooops! Got it a little backwards, TinyBrain.

Try again.


" The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit

The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said.

One official said intelligence reports based on some of the WIRE TAPPED COMMUNICATIONS had been provided to the White House."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Now tell me, Tiny, does being a Russian troll pay well?

It is up to the orange clown to present evidence of his charge of criminal activities on the part of President Obama. If he fails to do so, or just tries to ignore what he stated, it is going to haunt him for the whole of his Presidency, which may not last that long, in any case.

His accusations are just the Dan Rather/Mary Mapes style of politicing. We accuse. You defend.

You prove to us that Trump wasn't under surveillance. You prove to us that the Russians hacked the election.

Ball is in your court. All this surveillance over all these months and no one can show any evidence. Jack Shit should be the new code name for the NSA.

The lack of evidence just proves there's more reason to investigate Obama!

 

[Lewdog]

If there was an illegal wire tap, Obama would be responsible because he was president just as he was responsible for all actions of his administration. However, the question is not whether he is responsible but whether he ordered an illegal wire tap.

It's very unlikely a president would order an illegal wire tap for several reasons. First, the likelihood that it could be traced back to the president is high. Second, FBI, CIA, or any other government employees would refuse to carry out a clearly illegal order and put their careers at risk and face the possibility of prosecution. A court order authorizing a wire goes all the way from the director or assistant director to the department head involved to the supervisor who overseas the operation. Anyone in the chain is legally obligate to refuse carrying it out. Lastly, anything discovered would be illegally obtained and inadmissible in court.

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

 

[bripat9643]

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

Yet, you're still prattling on about Trump conspiring with the Russians to hack the election. Where's the proof for that, douche bag?

 

[Lewdog]

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

Yet, you're still prattling on about Trump conspiring with the Russians to hack the election. Where's the proof for that, douche bag?

Do you believe the things Trump tells you or do you think he is a liar?

 

[tinydancer]

No, that isn't the question. If he knew about it, then he's culpable, and the evidence indicates he knew about it.

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

What are you talking about? I've linked to the NYT. The media has been reporting about this for months on end.

But Louise Mensch isn't the only reporter. The Guardian and the BBC have written about this as well.

It's the NYT's though that nails it. Continually.

 

[Lewdog]

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

What are you talking about? I've linked to the NYT. The media has been reporting about this for months on end.

But Louise Mensch isn't the only reporter. The Guardian and the BBC have written about this as well.

It's the NYT's though that nails it. Continually.

No, those articles are saying that they got information through wire taps on the Russians communications, not Trump's team. Not sure how many times you guys have to be told this.

If your friend is selling drugs and the cops get a warrant to tap their phone... and you call your friend and the cops catch you trying to make a drug deal over the phone... they didn't wire tap your phone, but they did bust you. Do you understand? That's what happened here, Flynn and gang called the wrong people.

 

[tinydancer]

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

What are you talking about? I've linked to the NYT. The media has been reporting about this for months on end.

But Louise Mensch isn't the only reporter. The Guardian and the BBC have written about this as well.

It's the NYT's though that nails it. Continually.

No, those articles are saying that they got information through wire taps on the Russians communications, not Trump's team. Not sure how many times you guys have to be told this.

If your friend is selling drugs and the cops get a warrant to tap their phone... and you call your friend and the cops catch you trying to make a drug deal over the phone... they didn't wire tap your phone, but they did bust you. Do you understand? That's what happened here, Flynn and gang called the wrong people.

Pffffffffft. These investigations involve far more than just intercepted phone calls. Agencies have gone so far to demand that Deutsche bank investigate Ivanka and Jared Kushner and even Jared's mother for crying out loud.

 

[NoNukes]

So if Obama had to be informed of what another part of government was doing, it shows he didn't order it, and clears him completely.

Obama-haters really are the stupidest humans to ever walk the planet.

Only a foolish piece of shit would trust anything Obama says… Fact

Like many right wingers, you confuse opinion and fact.

 

[Lewdog]

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

What are you talking about? I've linked to the NYT. The media has been reporting about this for months on end.

But Louise Mensch isn't the only reporter. The Guardian and the BBC have written about this as well.

It's the NYT's though that nails it. Continually.

No, those articles are saying that they got information through wire taps on the Russians communications, not Trump's team. Not sure how many times you guys have to be told this.

If your friend is selling drugs and the cops get a warrant to tap their phone... and you call your friend and the cops catch you trying to make a drug deal over the phone... they didn't wire tap your phone, but they did bust you. Do you understand? That's what happened here, Flynn and gang called the wrong people.

Pffffffffft. These investigations involve far more than just intercepted phone calls. Agencies have gone so far to demand that Deutsche bank investigate Ivanka and Jared Kushner and even Jared's mother for crying out loud.

If you haven't been paying attention there is something fishy with Deutsche Bank not only with Trump but with others. Trump had a loan with the bank he had to clear up, and the bank got some special treatment from Hillary when she was Sec. of State.

 

[NoNukes]

Now, now. We were told repeatedly that Obama didn't know anything about anything until he read it in the newspaper...

You should try different news sources.

Yeah, because the NYT sux donkey ass.

This thread is based on the NYT genius.

 

[NoNukes]

You must be hard of reading. What confused you snowflake?

That has got to be THE DUMBEST thing I have ever heard ever on this board.

Asslipias seems much smarter on ignore.

How would know since you cant ignore me?

How can I miss you when you won't go away.

 

[NoNukes]

The evidence? Why are you clowns pretending he wasnt informed by the FBI of what they found when they were investigating Drumpfs server and ties to the Russians?

So you admit the FBI wiretapped Trump's home?

How the fuck can anyone here admit that? We don't know... and none of us have the clearance to know for sure. We do know that the law says Obama can't order a wire tap.

The FBI ordered the wiretap, dumbass, and Obama knew about it. Anyone who says he didn't is a lying douche bag.

Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Some article by some British journalist or an article from Breitbart referencing the British journalist isn't going to get it. You Trumpbots crack me up that you don't believe the Russian hack and meddling in the election but you believe some random British reporter.

What are you talking about? I've linked to the NYT. The media has been reporting about this for months on end.

But Louise Mensch isn't the only reporter. The Guardian and the BBC have written about this as well.

It's the NYT's though that nails it. Continually.

But the NYT is fake news.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Remember all the times the Trumptards around here said that it didn't matter if the DNC/Hillary emails were hacked ILLEGALLY,

because it was worth it to get to what the Trumptards called the truth?????

lol, I remember, and therefore,

why aren't you applying that reasoning to wiretapping Trump, if any such thing occurred?

If Barack Obama, the most corrupt president in the history of the nation, illegally wire tapped the President Elect, as it appears he indeed did, then this is constitutional crises that dwarfs Watergate.

I honestly don't know how it works. Is it treason and sedition by Obama? On the face it is, but can a sitting president actually engage in treason? It IS shameful beyond anything ever done by a sitting president.

Since there is ZERO evidence of an illegal wiretapping, you need to give it a rest.

 

[Care4all]

Were there?

Seriously?

Yes.

I find it hilarious that you dont know about the FISA warrants.

Proof?

Look it up for your damn self....

there is no proof there were any FISA warrants at all, and it is all from bloggers... trump got his info from HeatStreet

The woman behind the story behind the Trump Twitter storm

 

[Care4all]

the NYT never said a FISA warrant was issued FOR Trump