Obama's Birth Cerificate: Is His Last Name The Issue?

[Care4all]

I agree that accusing birther's motives as being Racist is uncalled for....other than a handful.

I think Hillary would have been bashed as well....if she had become President, you all would have created something against her as well, because you HATE Democrats.

the term racist has been used and abused as of late, on both sides of the aisle to where it will mean nothing, even when TRUE RACISM occurs.

I still don't think your links were close to being on topic and would have hijacked this thread in to another bash obama for anything and everything thread, instead of where Obama was born....or what his last name was previously.



Care

I don't think that calling birthers racist is uncalled for. Their motives are very clear. They are taking a man who was clearly born in Hawaii and trying to convince fellow racists that he was somehow magically born in Africa.

You do know it's possible for some to be born in America and not be a natural born citizen? Obama's own website says he was born a dual citizen at birth thanks to his fathers British Nationality.

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

 

[USArmyRetired]

I don't think that calling birthers racist is uncalled for. Their motives are very clear. They are taking a man who was clearly born in Hawaii and trying to convince fellow racists that he was somehow magically born in Africa.

You do know it's possible for some to be born in America and not be a natural born citizen? Obama's own website says he was born a dual citizen at birth thanks to his fathers British Nationality.

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

Lets cycle back to our friends at Factcheck and FTS:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

Read that last sentence again" That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children." That means he was born a dual citizen. A dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth."
British Nationality Act 1948

So Obama has British Citizenship at the time of birth, that is a given. Did he gain citizenship to Kenya? Yes - via Chapter VI, Section 87(2):

"(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on
11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or
a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for
his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963."

But did becoming a Kenyan Citizen terminate British Citizenship? We look into the Kenyan Constitution and find - NO, it did not. See Chapter VI, Section 95(1):

"95. (1) Every person who, under this Constitution or an Act of
Parliament, is a citizen of Kenya or who, under any law for the time
being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen
of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, have the status of a
Commonwealth citizen."

So Obama has never renounced his British Citizenship gained at birth. He never 'automatically' lost it, even when Kenya became independent.

All U.S.presidents since the grandfather clause ran out were born to two U.S. citizens with the exception of Chester Arthur who was found out later not eligible.

 

[Care4all]

You do know it's possible for some to be born in America and not be a natural born citizen? Obama's own website says he was born a dual citizen at birth thanks to his fathers British Nationality.

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

Lets cycle back to our friends at Factcheck and FTS:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

Read that last sentence again" That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children." That means he was born a dual citizen. A dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth."
British Nationality Act 1948

So Obama has British Citizenship at the time of birth, that is a given. Did he gain citizenship to Kenya? Yes - via Chapter VI, Section 87(2):

"(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on
11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or
a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for
his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963."

But did becoming a Kenyan Citizen terminate British Citizenship? We look into the Kenyan Constitution and find - NO, it did not. See Chapter VI, Section 95(1):

"95. (1) Every person who, under this Constitution or an Act of
Parliament, is a citizen of Kenya or who, under any law for the time
being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen
of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, have the status of a
Commonwealth citizen."

So Obama has never renounced his British Citizenship gained at birth. He never 'automatically' lost it, even when Kenya became independent.

All U.S.presidents since the grandfather clause ran out were born to two U.S. citizens with the exception of Chester Arthur who was found out later not eligible.

He was not born in Kenya...you have no birth certificate stating such, you have no proof of any kind of such, you don't even have any legal documentation that his mother traveled there while pregnant, or any proof from any embassy or passport that shows any travel of his mother during the time of his birth....or any air line travel itinerary from any airline that she might have taken there....

That's the simple truth dear....

and Presidents can have duel citizenship. there is nothing that states otherwise.... natural born, living in the us for at least 14 years and being 35 is what the constitution states...

 

[taichiliberal]

Birthers are the biggest bunch of (a) desperate sore losers (b) bigoted sore losers (c) willfully ignorant sore losers (d)willfully ignorant and bigoted sore losers (e) all of the above.

According to the birthers: Forty some odd years ago, phony birth announcements were planted in two Hawiian newspapers, then the Hawaiian DOT was paid off, then later the Illinois DOT, then U.S. State Dept., the Secret Service and the FBI. This was all done by the secret cabal of communist/socialist/islamo-fascist/liberal Democrats who are out to destroy America and rule the world!

And yet the vast majority of birthers are carrying the equivalent of what Obama produced for examination as to his birth certificate.....good for acquiring driver's licenses, passports, and various loans and job opportunities.

And these birther bumpkins wonder why America isn't taken seriously as a country of intelligence by the other industrialized nations.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree that accusing birther's motives as being Racist is uncalled for....other than a handful.

I think Hillary would have been bashed as well....if she had become President, you all would have created something against her as well, because you HATE Democrats.

the term racist has been used and abused as of late, on both sides of the aisle to where it will mean nothing, even when TRUE RACISM occurs.

I still don't think your links were close to being on topic and would have hijacked this thread in to another bash obama for anything and everything thread, instead of where Obama was born....or what his last name was previously. Care

I don't think that calling birthers racist is uncalled for. Their motives are very clear. They are taking a man who was clearly born in Hawaii and trying to convince fellow racists that he was somehow magically born in Africa.

Tell African-Americans Alan Keyes, Starr Parker and Pastor James David Manning, among others, that this is about race, idiot. You're in a fucking anti-conservative, nightmare world in your own head. I hope you enjoy it. .

Gstarz, you are not a conservative, that's the point. You are much further than, close to an anarchist of some sort. Yes, race is a part of birferism. There are some African Americans out there that are conservative, but I am interested in you have any high profile African Americans calling BHO a person born in Kenya and a Muslim.

The only nightmare would be for your kind to win any type of election and instill your wack ideas. Little chance of that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I agree that accusing birther's motives as being Racist is uncalled for....other than a handful.

I think Hillary would have been bashed as well....if she had become President, you all would have created something against her as well, because you HATE Democrats.

the term racist has been used and abused as of late, on both sides of the aisle to where it will mean nothing, even when TRUE RACISM occurs.

I still don't think your links were close to being on topic and would have hijacked this thread in to another bash obama for anything and everything thread, instead of where Obama was born....or what his last name was previously.
Care

I don't think that calling birthers racist is uncalled for. Their motives are very clear. They are taking a man who was clearly born in Hawaii and trying to convince fellow racists that he was somehow magically born in Africa.

You do know it's possible for some to be born in America and not be a natural born citizen? Obama's own website says he was born a dual citizen at birth thanks to his fathers British Nationality.

Immaterial and not relevant. Move on. BHO has as much right to be elected to the presidency as any born in the States. That's just the way it is. Born here, then citizen here. End of story.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You do know it's possible for some to be born in America and not be a natural born citizen? Obama's own website says he was born a dual citizen at birth thanks to his fathers British Nationality.

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

Lets cycle back to our friends at Factcheck and FTS:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

Read that last sentence again" That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children." That means he was born a dual citizen. A dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth."
British Nationality Act 1948

So Obama has British Citizenship at the time of birth, that is a given. Did he gain citizenship to Kenya? Yes - via Chapter VI, Section 87(2):

"(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on
11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or
a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for
his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963."

But did becoming a Kenyan Citizen terminate British Citizenship? We look into the Kenyan Constitution and find - NO, it did not. See Chapter VI, Section 95(1):

"95. (1) Every person who, under this Constitution or an Act of
Parliament, is a citizen of Kenya or who, under any law for the time
being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen
of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, have the status of a
Commonwealth citizen."

So Obama has never renounced his British Citizenship gained at birth. He never 'automatically' lost it, even when Kenya became independent.

All U.S.presidents since the grandfather clause ran out were born to two U.S. citizens with the exception of Chester Arthur who was found out later not eligible.

BHO was born subject to American law, not British. End of story. And you history here of racism is well known. Move along, birfer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The birfers probably majically communicate with UFOs. Or is that they think BHO communicates with UFOs? Birfers are simply mentally and emotionally crippled for various reasons, none of them worthy.

 

[USArmyRetired]

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

Lets cycle back to our friends at Factcheck and FTS:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

Read that last sentence again" That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children." That means he was born a dual citizen. A dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth."
British Nationality Act 1948

So Obama has British Citizenship at the time of birth, that is a given. Did he gain citizenship to Kenya? Yes - via Chapter VI, Section 87(2):

"(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on
11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or
a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for
his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963."

But did becoming a Kenyan Citizen terminate British Citizenship? We look into the Kenyan Constitution and find - NO, it did not. See Chapter VI, Section 95(1):

"95. (1) Every person who, under this Constitution or an Act of
Parliament, is a citizen of Kenya or who, under any law for the time
being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen
of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, have the status of a
Commonwealth citizen."

So Obama has never renounced his British Citizenship gained at birth. He never 'automatically' lost it, even when Kenya became independent.

All U.S.presidents since the grandfather clause ran out were born to two U.S. citizens with the exception of Chester Arthur who was found out later not eligible.

He was not born in Kenya...you have no birth certificate stating such, you have no proof of any kind of such, you don't even have any legal documentation that his mother traveled there while pregnant, or any proof from any embassy or passport that shows any travel of his mother during the time of his birth....or any air line travel itinerary from any airline that she might have taken there....

That's the simple truth dear....

and Presidents can have duel citizenship. there is nothing that states otherwise.... natural born, living in the us for at least 14 years and being 35 is what the constitution states...

I am not saying he was born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii. Read his website paragraph again. Why would the Obama campaign say that if it wasn't true?

Here it is again. It says his dads British Subject status was passed to his children. That is not a lie:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:


Also no president has had dual citizenship since the grandfather clause ran out with Martin Van Buren being the first Natural Born Citizen president. They've all been born to 'TWO' U.S. Citizen parents (plural).

Why do you think the founders changed 'citizen' in Article 2 Section 1 of the constitution to 'natural born citizen? The reason is in John Jays letter to George Washington which is this:

Founder John Jay wrote to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention, on July 25th, 1787:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

They (The Founders) didn't want a dual citizen as president with ties to a foreign government, especially England since they just finished fighting with them. Makes common sense doesn't it?

 

[Toro]

I am not saying he was born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii. Read his website paragraph again. Why would the Obama campaign say that if it wasn't true?

Here it is again. It says his dads British Subject status was passed to his children. That is not a lie:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:


Also no president has had dual citizenship since the grandfather clause ran out with Martin Van Buren being the first Natural Born Citizen president. They've all been born to 'TWO' U.S. Citizen parents (plural).

Why do you think the founders changed 'citizen' in Article 2 Section 1 of the constitution to 'natural born citizen? The reason is in John Jays letter to George Washington which is this:

Founder John Jay wrote to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention, on July 25th, 1787:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

They (The Founders) didn't want a dual citizen as president with ties to a foreign government, especially England since they just finished fighting with them. Makes common sense doesn't it?

The Founders didn't want a dual citizen President? There were several Presidents with dual citizenship.

Besides, its irrelevant. Dual citizenship is conferred upon an individual by a foreign government. The government of, say, Argentina, could out of the blue say that you, US Army Retired, are a citizen of Argentina, even if you had never been there and had no ties to the country. Would that then make you ineligible to be President of the United States? Of course not.

 

[GStarz]

us army! that's simply a LIE!!! rather 2 lies! obama, born on usa soil, makes him a natural born citizen, PERIOD.....(especially since BOTH parents were here legally....)

AND

obama does not have duel citizenship and he does not state such on his site?

and even if he were, it is not unconstitutional to have duel citizenship and be a president! there is nothing in the constitution that says such!!!!??????

also, his father did not have duel citizenship with kenya and great britain, did he?

Lets cycle back to our friends at Factcheck and FTS:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

Read that last sentence again" That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children." That means he was born a dual citizen. A dual citizen is not a natural born citizen.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth."
British Nationality Act 1948

So Obama has British Citizenship at the time of birth, that is a given. Did he gain citizenship to Kenya? Yes - via Chapter VI, Section 87(2):

"(2) Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on
11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or
a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for
his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1),
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963."

But did becoming a Kenyan Citizen terminate British Citizenship? We look into the Kenyan Constitution and find - NO, it did not. See Chapter VI, Section 95(1):

"95. (1) Every person who, under this Constitution or an Act of
Parliament, is a citizen of Kenya or who, under any law for the time
being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen
of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, have the status of a
Commonwealth citizen."

So Obama has never renounced his British Citizenship gained at birth. He never 'automatically' lost it, even when Kenya became independent.

All U.S.presidents since the grandfather clause ran out were born to two U.S. citizens with the exception of Chester Arthur who was found out later not eligible.

He was not born in Kenya...you have no birth certificate stating such, you have no proof of any kind of such, you don't even have any legal documentation that his mother traveled there while pregnant, or any proof from any embassy or passport that shows any travel of his mother during the time of his birth....or any air line travel itinerary from any airline that she might have taken there....

That's the simple truth dear....

and Presidents can have duel citizenship. there is nothing that states otherwise.... natural born, living in the us for at least 14 years and being 35 is what the constitution states...

The reason we have no birth certificate stating such - "dear" - is that our fucked-up paranoid president has been fighting suits to keep exactly that or any long form certificate hidden from public view. That's the whole point, "dear". Get it now - maybe - "dear"?!

 

[GStarz]

The Founders didn't want a dual citizen President? There were several Presidents with dual citizenship.

Okay, Skippy - I'm gonna enjoy this - put your money where your mouth is, hotshot. Name one after the grandfather clause ran out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Psssttt. . . gstarz. It doesn't matter. He is legally the president. That will never, ever change. You have nothing under law that would lead to any other conclusion that he is lawfully the president and you are clearly mentally and emotionally impaired on this issue.

 

[GStarz]

Psssttt. . . gstarz. It doesn't matter. He is legally the president. That will never, ever change. You have nothing under law that would lead to any other conclusion that he is lawfully the president and you are clearly mentally and emotionally impaired on this issue.

Psssst.... Asshole. There are several states enacting laws which will compel Obama to turn over his records or not get on the ballot. The SCOTUS is scheduled to hear an argument on the merits of an upcoming case. Psssst.... get your shit together.

 

[Toro]

The Founders didn't want a dual citizen President? There were several Presidents with dual citizenship.

Okay, Skippy - I'm gonna enjoy this - put your money where your mouth is, hotshot. Name one after the grandfather clause ran out.

I didn't say that now, did I, Skippy.

But, GTardz, did you know that the French recognize descendants of the Hugenots French citizens? And did you know that there are at least seven Presidents who are descendants of Hugenots who were not grandfathered in? They were

Ulysseus S. Grant
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Lyndon Baynes Johnson
Gerald R. Ford

This logic escapes you birfers. A country could anoint every single citizen of the United States as their own citizens, making - by your logic - every single American ineligible to be President.

More on Presidential citizenship here.

U.S. Presidents & Eligibility: Grandfather Clause, Natural Born Citizen Clause, or Seated by Fraud

 

[USArmyRetired]

The Founders didn't want a dual citizen President? There were several Presidents with dual citizenship.

Okay, Skippy - I'm gonna enjoy this - put your money where your mouth is, hotshot. Name one after the grandfather clause ran out.

I didn't say that now, did I, Skippy.

But, GTardz, did you know that the French recognize descendants of the Hugenots French citizens? And did you know that there are at least seven Presidents who are descendants of Hugenots who were not grandfathered in? They were

Ulysseus S. Grant
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Lyndon Baynes Johnson
Gerald R. Ford

This logic escapes you birfers. A country could anoint every single citizen of the United States as their own citizens, making - by your logic - every single American ineligible to be President.

More on Presidential citizenship here.

U.S. Presidents & Eligibility: Grandfather Clause, Natural Born Citizen Clause, or Seated by Fraud

Those seven presidents being talked about is refering their long ago ancestors. That is not dual citizens at birth for what Obama and Chester Arthur were because of their immediate fathers British citizenship status. Yes that link put together by Mario Apuzzo is right on the money and it shows only Woodrow Wilsons and Herbert Hoovers mothers were not American citizens at birth but they came naturalized automatically by the laws at the time for marrying their US Citizen husbands. It was called 'Derivitave Marriage'. So by the time Wilson and Hoover were born, both their parents were US Citizens thus making them natural born citizens at birth. They are apart of that special group born to two US parents (plural) since the grandfather clause ended.

 

[GStarz]

he was not born in kenya

US Army Retired,

I salute you. You've been kicking what the liberal Huffington Post dismissively and mocking called the "anti-birthers" - those people who say Obama should not(!) turn over his records - all over this board with steady and measured bombardment. Bravo!



However, I, for one, am no longer convinced the quote by you is true. I did up until a year ago, think a birth outside the US was too beyond the pale, and it was just a matter of constitutional technicality about his father conferring Kenyan citizenship on his son, making it impossible for him to be 'natural born" (which itself is no small thing, since the founding fathers were determined that the president should have no loyalty to any other country). Then Obama really dug his heels fighting the citizenship lawsuits which has become just plain bizarre, and then as a topper these have emerged (take a few minutes to watch them - each one is very quick) among others.









You see Michelle Obama in both clips talking about a trip to Kenya, his home country and Obama being Kenyan, before the whole "birther" thing exposed the constitutional issue involved. This is not poetry - she clearly means what she's saying as historical fact.

Then you have the prime minister Of Kenya, and this is off the chart.








So were Michelle Obama and the Prime Minister of kenya lying before the constitutional citizenship issue arose, or is Obama - who never discusses his background like any good lawyer with something to hide - simply paranoid and therefore mentally ill - or a usurper?

We'll presumably find out what's what when the new state laws are enacted, but this is slowly starting look like something much worse than a simple constitutional technicality based on the citizenship status conferred on Barack by his Kenyan father.

Once again, was Michelle Obama lying along with the prime minister of Kenya? That's the question. For real. You decide for now. We'll know the objective truth soon enough. And if Obama has been running this country without the constitutional authority to do so, it'll be the end of the democrat party for generations. It'll be the biggest political scandal this country has ever seen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Psssttt. . . gstarz. It doesn't matter. He is legally the president. That will never, ever change. You have nothing under law that would lead to any other conclusion that he is lawfully the president and you are clearly mentally and emotionally impaired on this issue.

Psssst.... Asshole. There are several states enacting laws which will compel Obama to turn over his records or not get on the ballot. The SCOTUS is scheduled to hear an argument on the merits of an upcoming case. Psssst.... get your shit together.

No laws are being passed. Every one of them will die in committee. There are no merits to consider in those bills in committee where they will remain.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No law exists preventing a dual citizen of being a president. Kenyan law is inferior to American law in the United States. Didn't you know that, USAR?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hmm . . . are USAR and gstarz Muslim plants? They are certainly acting like such. What should be done?