Oh well, I suppose the U.S. will always remain to daily gun shooting

[jotathought]

In addition to the problem of 30,000 gun deaths a year, the problem where conservatives refuse to even address the issue, the problem where conservatives won’t consider solutions having nothing to do with the regulation of firearms, and the problem where conservatives respond only with demagoguery and lies about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated.’

So 30K deaths are the big problem?

 

[candycorn]

So your problem is the number of deaths?

Sure. A third of those are suicides--about 10,000 or so.

Did you know that when someone uses a gun to commit suicide, they are successful 8 out of 10 times? The next leading cause of successful suicide in the nation is suffocation including hanging. Hanging is successful 1/2 the time. You more closely limit the availability of guns, you end up with more people living. If you like that sort of thing.

 

[candycorn]

What lax guns laws specifically and what laws are ignored "all together" at gun shows?

Texas made it to where you can buy a gun without a permit.

What to know about Texas gun laws in wake of Uvalde school shooting

Texas has loose gun laws and one 21 states to allow permitless handguns. You can also have guns on college campus and there are few restrictions

www.statesman.com

There are videos of people buying guns no questions asked at a gun show.

 

[jotathought]

Sure. A third of those are suicides--about 10,000 or so.

Did you know that when someone uses a gun to commit suicide, they are successful 8 out of 10 times? The next leading cause of successful suicide in the nation is suffocation including hanging. Hanging is successful 1/2 the time. You more closely limit the availability of guns, you end up with more people living. If you like that sort of thing.

Suicide is brought on by a number of factors including mental health issues, substance abuse, life trauma and societal factors... The problem doesn't just magically go away if they don't kill themselves.

Is death really the reason why many despise guns? 30-40K deaths annually (including suicides), is statistically insignificant, and if death is the epicenter of anger .. why isn't the same energy focused on other common areas that produce significantly more deaths annually? Oh .. like COVID, which is still killing 2K-3K / weekly? Alcohol, with 100K deaths annually, and 40% of those are acute conditions (e.g. poisoning) and external causes (e.g. drunk driving)? How about drugs, where they contribute to another 100K deaths annually, and 40% of those are from synthetic drugs like fentanyl which is pouring over the border?

 

[candycorn]

Suicide is brought on by a number of factors including mental health issues, substance abuse, life trauma and societal factors... The problem doesn't just magically go away if they don't kill themselves.

What else doesn't go away is the father who leaves a widow and kids behind, the mother who leaves an infant child due to postpartum depression...the kids who kill themselves... The problems can be solved. Death is pretty much the period on the end of the sentence.

Is death really the reason why many despise guns? 30-40K deaths annually (including suicides), is statistically insignificant, and if death is the epicenter of anger .. why isn't the same energy focused on other common areas that produce significantly more deaths annually? Oh .. like COVID, which is still killing 2K-3K / weekly? Alcohol, with 100K deaths annually, and 40% of those are acute conditions (e.g. poisoning) and external causes (e.g. drunk driving)? How about drugs, where they contribute to another 100K deaths annually, and 40% of those are from synthetic drugs like fentanyl which is pouring over the border?

Wow. That was an incredibly idiotic statement.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In addition to the problem of 30,000 gun deaths a year, the problem where conservatives refuse to even address the issue, the problem where conservatives won’t consider solutions having nothing to do with the regulation of firearms, and the problem where conservatives respond only with demagoguery and lies about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated.’

Nothing in your post is true.
But you knew that when you posted it.

 

[jotathought]

What else doesn't go away is the father who leaves a widow and kids behind, the mother who leaves an infant child due to postpartum depression...the kids who kill themselves... The problems can be solved. Death is pretty much the period on the end of the sentence.

Going the emotional route I see .. suicides are going to happen no matter what types of controls are put on firearms. It's just another mental health issue (in many cases) with firearms that we continue to see, not only with suicides, but with mass shooters... and the Democrat response is to ban firearms .. now that's idiotic.

Wow. That was an incredibly idiotic statement.

If death is the primary concern with firearms .. one should be congruent with that belief across all areas of higher death outcomes. What's incredibly idiotic is complaining about 30K-40K deaths a year and demanding extreme tightened regulations, while ignoring other focus areas that produce 2x - 4x more deaths annually.

 

[candycorn]

Going the emotional route I see .. suicides are going to happen no matter what types of controls are put on firearms. It's just another mental health issue (in many cases) with firearms that we continue to see, not only with suicides, but with mass shooters... and the Democrat response is to ban firearms .. now that's idiotic.

You're ignoring the statistics. Going the Conservative route, I see.

If death is the primary concern with firearms .. one should be congruent with that belief across all areas of higher death outcomes. What's incredibly idiotic is complaining about 30K-40K deaths a year and demanding extreme tightened regulations, while ignoring other focus areas that produce 2x - 4x more deaths annually.

Again... your comment is moronic.

 

[jotathought]

You're ignoring the statistics. Going the Conservative route, I see.

What statistics? Is a gun death different than any other death?

Again... your comment is moronic.

Yes yes .. because gun deaths are different from .. COVID deaths .. or alcohol deaths ... or transgender suicides .. got it.

 

[candycorn]

What statistics? Is a gun death different than any other death?

When a gun is used in a suicide attempt, it is successful 80% of the time. The next most commonly used method of suicide in the US is suffocation including hanging one's self. It's successful about 50% of the time.

Meaning that absent of a gun, a person is more likely to try to hang themselves. And 30% of the time they will be less successful.

Yes yes .. because gun deaths are different from .. COVID deaths .. or alcohol deaths ... or transgender suicides .. got it.

You've got nothing but a moronic comment that you should walk back.

 

[2aguy]

What else doesn't go away is the father who leaves a widow and kids behind, the mother who leaves an infant child due to postpartum depression...the kids who kill themselves... The problems can be solved. Death is pretty much the period on the end of the sentence.

Wow. That was an incredibly idiotic statement.

Please explain how it is that Japan, South Korea, China, have higher suicide rates than we do.....with their extreme gun control...

Please explain how that is possible....

Also, explain how these countries in Europe, as well as Canada have higher suicide rates than we do...

Please, explain....

Canada....more young people in canada commit suicide

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1

 

[2aguy]

When a gun is used in a suicide attempt, it is successful 80% of the time. The next most commonly used method of suicide in the US is suffocation including hanging one's self. It's successful about 50% of the time.

Meaning that absent of a gun, a person is more likely to try to hang themselves. And 30% of the time they will be less successful.

You've got nothing but a moronic comment that you should walk back.

Please explain how it is that Japan, South Korea, China, have higher suicide rates than we do.....with their extreme gun control...

Please explain how that is possible....

Also, explain how these countries in Europe, as well as Canada have higher suicide rates than we do...

Please, explain....

Canada....more young people in canada commit suicide

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1

 

[candycorn]

Please explain how it is that Japan, South Korea, China, have higher suicide rates than we do.....with their extreme gun control...

Please explain how that is possible....

Also, explain how these countries in Europe, as well as Canada have higher suicide rates than we do...

Please, explain....

Canada....more young people in canada commit suicide

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1

Well suicide is a deeply personal decision. When you use a gun you are successful 8 out of 10 times. That isn't the case in other nations that have solved the gun issue--the same one we choose not to solve.

 

[2aguy]

Well suicide is a deeply personal decision. When you use a gun you are successful 8 out of 10 times. That isn't the case in other nations that have solved the gun issue--the same one we choose not to solve.

You didnt explain how it is that those countries have higher suicide rates than we do…..

 

[Frankeneinstein]

How does one think that firearms can be in the hands of so many kooks?

Sex & Drugs & and Rock and Roll brother...the mentality that changed America.

 

[candycorn]

You didnt explain how it is that those countries have higher suicide rates than we do…..

Didn't need to. But feel free to tell us your theory.

 

[2aguy]

Didn't need to. But feel free to tell us your theory.

You are the one who thinks guns are the issue in suicide...but when confronted with the fact that they aren't, you can't explain your position....

 

[candycorn]

You are the one who thinks guns are the issue in suicide...but when confronted with the fact that they aren't, you can't explain your position....

Well, the CDC (the guys you cite all the time) think so too:

 

[2aguy]

Well, the CDC (the guys you cite all the time) think so too:

They dont explain all the other countries with higher suicide rate than we have....and you dont either....

Guns arent the issue

 

[2aguy]

Didn't need to. But feel free to tell us your theory.

If someone wants to die they will kill themselves.