OK! What if . . . . . . ?

[Phoenall]

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

The question was that if Israel went back to the 67 Borders would there be peace. Don't have the exact response but the answer was NOT yes

The thing is what the Palestinians call 1967 borders are not the same thing as the actual 1967 armistice lines. They refer to the 1947 partition plan as the pre 1967 borders and that is what they want as the starting point for Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

What more can the Palestinians give?

Right of return.

The West Bank Jordanians apparently don't have the Right of Return to Jordan or any other Arab Nation.

That's because that isn't where they were from.

And you can prove this HOW ?

They live in the West Bank, many for many generations. Why is it so important to you to run them out?

And you can prove this HOW ? Even their leaders have said that they don't come from Palestine but from Syria, Egypt, Iraq and iran

 

[Phoenall]

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

Right of return.

No chance of that as they have already said that they will not allow any Jew to exist in Palestine that was born after the invention of Zionism.

That isn't actually what they said.

Yes it is and they wrote it down in their charter for the world to see.

 

[Coyote]

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

What more can the Palestinians give?

Right of return.

No chance of that as they have already said that they will not allow any Jew to exist in Palestine that was born after the invention of Zionism.

That isn't actually what they said.

Yes it is and they wrote it down in their charter for the world to see.

Which "they" are you talking about?

 

[Coyote]

Right of return.

The West Bank Jordanians apparently don't have the Right of Return to Jordan or any other Arab Nation.

That's because that isn't where they were from.

And you can prove this HOW ?

They live in the West Bank, many for many generations. Why is it so important to you to run them out?

And you can prove this HOW ? Even their leaders have said that they don't come from Palestine but from Syria, Egypt, Iraq and iran

Are you saying that prior to the establishment of Israel, only Jews inhabited Palestine?

 

[Indeependent]

Who do you think buys from the Christians?
If I didn't have so many friends in Yerushalayim, I might believe half the lies you post.

As usual, you are full of crap. The Armenians especially want the Jewish squatters out.

"“The Israelis want to take over the Armenian Quarter,” says Hintlian. Worshippers headed to the Western Wall—sometimes also called the Wailing Wall—often pass through the public streets of the Armenian Quarter. “Every day they see what we have,” he says. “They want it.”

Armenians in Jerusalem: The Politics of Survival in the Holy Land

The Christians and Jews get along just fine.
There's always going to be a malcontent.

Yeah right.This is how Christian school children "get along just fine" with Jews. Have you ever spoken to a Christian Arab? I know plenty here in the U.S., and everyone of them have something close to hate for Israeli Jews, that dispossessed their parents and/or grandparents.

My wife is a health professional and when the Christian & Muslim patients who escaped their native Arab countries find out she's Jewish (we DON'T have a Jewish last name) they tell her about how Israel is the only place they would want to live in the Middle East.
So eat it with your lies.

as equals?

Few people in reality get to live as equals anywhere.
Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.
Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.
Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

 

[Humanity]

As usual, you are full of crap. The Armenians especially want the Jewish squatters out.

"“The Israelis want to take over the Armenian Quarter,” says Hintlian. Worshippers headed to the Western Wall—sometimes also called the Wailing Wall—often pass through the public streets of the Armenian Quarter. “Every day they see what we have,” he says. “They want it.”

Armenians in Jerusalem: The Politics of Survival in the Holy Land

The Christians and Jews get along just fine.
There's always going to be a malcontent.

Yeah right.This is how Christian school children "get along just fine" with Jews. Have you ever spoken to a Christian Arab? I know plenty here in the U.S., and everyone of them have something close to hate for Israeli Jews, that dispossessed their parents and/or grandparents.

My wife is a health professional and when the Christian & Muslim patients who escaped their native Arab countries find out she's Jewish (we DON'T have a Jewish last name) they tell her about how Israel is the only place they would want to live in the Middle East.
So eat it with your lies.

as equals?

Few people in reality get to live as equals anywhere.
Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.
Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.
Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.

Oh in the land of the free... If you had the education and opportunity you could!

Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.

That's your choice NOT to sell your soul... Though it looks like thats already been sold to the zionuts!

Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

In my opinion you might find that many Muslims might disagree with you!

 

[Indeependent]

The Christians and Jews get along just fine.
There's always going to be a malcontent.

Yeah right.This is how Christian school children "get along just fine" with Jews. Have you ever spoken to a Christian Arab? I know plenty here in the U.S., and everyone of them have something close to hate for Israeli Jews, that dispossessed their parents and/or grandparents.

My wife is a health professional and when the Christian & Muslim patients who escaped their native Arab countries find out she's Jewish (we DON'T have a Jewish last name) they tell her about how Israel is the only place they would want to live in the Middle East.
So eat it with your lies.

as equals?

Few people in reality get to live as equals anywhere.
Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.
Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.
Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.

Oh in the land of the free... If you had the education and opportunity you could!

Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.

That's your choice NOT to sell your soul... Though it looks like thats already been sold to the zionuts!

Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

In my opinion you might find that many Muslims might disagree with you!

Wrong on all 3 counts based on reality...
Bill Gates came from a relatively wealthy family and his father was a sociopath.

Politics without selling your soul? Maybe if you're very wealthy and NOT a sociopath.

You're are repetitive, boring and probably lead a very frustrating life.

 

[Humanity]

Yeah right.This is how Christian school children "get along just fine" with Jews. Have you ever spoken to a Christian Arab? I know plenty here in the U.S., and everyone of them have something close to hate for Israeli Jews, that dispossessed their parents and/or grandparents.

My wife is a health professional and when the Christian & Muslim patients who escaped their native Arab countries find out she's Jewish (we DON'T have a Jewish last name) they tell her about how Israel is the only place they would want to live in the Middle East.
So eat it with your lies.

as equals?

Few people in reality get to live as equals anywhere.
Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.
Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.
Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

Do I live in America as an equal to Bill Gates or Warren Buffet? Nope.

Oh in the land of the free... If you had the education and opportunity you could!

Can I hold political office? Theoretically yes; realistically I cannot raise the funds unless I sell my soul.

That's your choice NOT to sell your soul... Though it looks like thats already been sold to the zionuts!

Live in Israel is far better for non-Jews than any of the Arab shit holes they are surrounded by.

In my opinion you might find that many Muslims might disagree with you!

Wrong on all 3 counts based on reality...
Bill Gates came from a relatively wealthy family and his father was a sociopath.

Politics without selling your soul? Maybe if you're very wealthy and NOT a sociopath.

You're are repetitive, boring and probably lead a very frustrating life.

English is not your first language... Thats ok... I will just write in a more simplified way in future....

So, here is how it is YOU who is wrong...

I have NO interest in Bill Gates father and what his psychological status has to do with Bill Gates I have no idea... With an education and opportunity you can achieve quite a lot... Of course, a solid understanding of English also helps!

I did not say anything about NOT selling your soul to get into politics... If you have cash or can 'obtain it' you WILL win! Of course, an education and a solid understanding of English also helps!

I live an amazing life, one that you could NEVER begin to imagine... "Frustrating"? "Boring"? Let me put it this way... I have worked hard, have a higher university education, traveled the world through business interests and through my musical 'activities', I write and speak English as a native speaker...

And you are? What?

Bleating about not being an "equal"?

Did my life just 'happen'? NO! I worked hard to achieve it!

Get a life and fucking work for it, earn it!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mentions removed by Moderation. Makes sure it's not a "call-out" thread. OPs in this forum should not involve particular members. The rest is just fine.. ---- FlaCalTenn


Tell me honestly. If Israel were to totally leave the West Bank, evict and demolish their 'settlements' (but what about Hevron?), split Jerusalem (the old city) giving 'Palestine' the muslum and (eek) Christian quarters, retain the Jewish and Armernian ones and the Wall, the new city along the 'seam line', stop the border checkpoints all over Israel controlled borders of the Gaza strip and let 'Palestine' declare their independence; would their finally be peace?

You forgot the over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints "inside" the West Bank; Gazan air space and coastal waters; the Golan Heights and the 650 IDF attacks since the ceasefire that were in addition to the 29 responses to rocket fire, there would still be the conditioned mindset that the Pals are sub-human and you've done nothing wrong.

But to answer your question, if you did all that, plus the things you left out, then, if you did happen to get a rocket, the entire world community would be on your side and would have no problem with you seeking retribution for such attack.

The hardest problem for you to deal with, is this attitude that you have to give up everything to get nothing in return. All you're being asked to do, is honor international law and respect human rights. That's it!

End the occupation and blockade and you will have peace. After that, cut a deal with the PA to give those white trash settlers residence visa's, just like any other country in the world and train Hamas and PA security forces to protect them.

You forget that they reduced the numbers of successful suicide attacks to ZERO so they worked, and they are legal under the Geneva conventions.

Still waiting for evidence of these alleged breaches that only you know about.

Strange then that Israel did all this in 2005 in gaza and the world was just as vehement that Israel was wrong in returning the fire and should find another solution to the Palestinians terrorism.

Problem is Israel is already within the bounds of International law, and has one of the best civil rights records in the M.E.. So what more can they do. Again still waiting for a link to these alleged breaches of international laws and civil rights.

Done in 2005 and the violence escalated 500%, Where is your evidence that it will work 10 years later when the Palestinians themselves say it wont. Even when they say that getting all they demand will not stop the attacks of Israel as their only goal is the genocide of the Jews and the destruction of Israel

Done in 2005 and the violence escalated 500%,​

Yeah I hear that lie all the time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ending the occupation would only benefit about 1/3 of all Palestinians. What about the other 2/3?

Uh huh. Exactly as I thought. I still wouldn't be enough.

I knew I'd get you fucker to show your true colors. You do not want peace at all, you want the whole land and the Jews dead or gone.

How about a peace plan where "only" 2/3 of the Jews were kicked out of Israel?

Yes?
No?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

From 1967 Israel has offered everything and seen it refused , in fact Israel begged the arab muslims to co-exist with them in peace and the arab muslims invaded with the sole intention of wiping out the Jews. It is written in their declaration of independence that is lodged with the UN. So if you did the research you would get an eye opener on just who is to blame for the current crisis

Yeah, I hear that lie all the time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whats wrong with one state and equal rights?

What's wrong with it is that the two nations don't want to live together. Tell me, when there's a married couple who obviously don't love each other, are bitter, constantly fighting, violent, impatient.... do you force them to live under the same roof or try and get a friendly divorce?

What do you seriously see as a solution?

Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

 

[Billo_Really]

So what part of totally leave the west bank left something out?

You left Gaza and still controlled the air space and coastal waters. You left Gaza, but still shoot at their fishermen and farmers. You left Gaza, but still carry out weekly raids over made up, bullshit reasons.

What part of "all over the Israel controlled Gaza borders" left something out?

You left out the over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints that are not on the border, but were constructed on land you don't own.

When was the Golan Height mentioned?

I mentioned it. It's part of the occupied territories, along with the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Those are the areas Israel seized in the '67 war. Those are the areas Israel needs to vacate.

Oh, I know. Because that and the rest of your tirade is the real truth.

What tirade? I think its pretty obvious to the reader, when I decide to go into a "tirade" and that wasn't one of them. But I do realize calling it a "tirade", makes it easier for you to automatically dismiss my point.

It wouldn't be enough. Nothing will be enough until the Jews are dead or removed from Israel. Why don't you just tell the truth?

Why don't you see the truth? 696 attacks by the IDF since the ceasefire began, only 29 were in response to rocket fire and you have the gall to claim "they" want "you" dead?

You don't see the forest through the trees or the elephant in the room not because you can't, because you won't.

And Steve, if I was them, I would damn sure not leave any building intact that Israel built, just like when they left Gaza.

Why wouldn't you leave the buildings intact? It would be a nice way to pay back the over 10,000 Gazans you left homeless during your last operation.

 

[Billo_Really]

Another lie. The Palestinian just admitted that even if Israel did go back to the 67 Borders the two State Solution would never be accepted. Just more proof that " International Law" is a myth.

The Palestinian?

Who's that? James Drury?

 

[Billo_Really]

Problem is with you is that you don't realize Palestinian mentality is one that says "Kill Jews and go to heaven". If it was really about land it would have been solved long ago. But it isn't. When they call to destroy us all is not about land. People have no problem lecturing us because it's not their lives in question.

Ones we give up out ethos we can kiss our home goodbye.

You're lying to yourself.

What does it say about your mentality seeing a bunch of settlers standing around a 10 year old Palestinian boy bleeding from the head because he was deliberately hit by a car yelling, "Die! Die! Die!"? What does it say about your mentality when an Israeli police officer comes up and "kicks" that little boy? What does it say about your mentality when Israeli security forces refuse first responders access to the kid for almost an hour?

All they want is for the occupation to end. And it will end! That is a fate your country will not avoid. It's going to end. You either do it voluntarily, or you will be forced to. The world is not going to let you keep doing this shit for very much longer. The world will deal with you, the same way it dealt with Hitler.

 

[Billo_Really]

What does the Golan Heights has to do with the Palestinians?

What did the '67 war have to do with the Palestinians?

 

[theliq]

Billo_Really , Challenger , fanger , etc.

Tell me honestly. If Israel were to totally leave the West Bank, evict and demolish their 'settlements' (but what about Hevron?), split Jerusalem (the old city) giving 'Palestine' the muslum and (eek) Christian quarters, retain the Jewish and Armernian ones and the Wall, the new city along the 'seam line', stop the border checkpoints all over Israel controlled borders of the Gaza strip and let 'Palestine' declare their independence; would their finally be peace?

They would consider the jews were weak and attack.

WHY.....Israel would not be weaker in anyway......but it would bring the positive situation that Pals/Israelis can look forward to a long and lasting Peace for both peoples..Surely this is what we all want ??????steve

And Hamas will accept such a solution? Ha.

Remains to be seen,I do not have your negativity.....but the biggest flies in the ointment.....ARE THE SETTLERS AND ZIONISTS...FACT

 

[USAF 2023]

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

From 1967 Israel has offered everything and seen it refused , in fact Israel begged the arab muslims to co-exist with them in peace and the arab muslims invaded with the sole intention of wiping out the Jews. It is written in their declaration of independence that is lodged with the UN. So if you did the research you would get an eye opener on just who is to blame for the current crisis

Yeah, I hear that lie all the time.

Tell me exactly what I lied about. You are the one whoi lies stating the Palestinians are interested in a " peace plan" and the " Two State Solution"

 

[theliq]

I think that peace is a better possibility.

Some of the larger and oldest settlements would have to stay. There would need to be negotiated land swaps.
Likewise - no right of return, Palestine itself would have to absorb the refugees from the camps.
Jeruselum - just don't know what is best there...joint control....??
Once they have a state, they have something to keep (or lose) - and if they are bad actors, they'll be treated like other rogue states.

What have the Palestinians offered to " negotiate land swaps?" They are also insisting on " Right of Return" Just more proof that they are the ones who do not want a " Two State Solution" therefore no peace

Neither side has offered swaps in good faith. Both will have to give on some thing - settlements and right of return. Neither seems to want peace.

From 1967 Israel has offered everything and seen it refused , in fact Israel begged the arab muslims to co-exist with them in peace and the arab muslims invaded with the sole intention of wiping out the Jews. It is written in their declaration of independence that is lodged with the UN. So if you did the research you would get an eye opener on just who is to blame for the current crisis

Yeah, I hear that lie all the time.

Tell me exactly what I lied about. You are the one whoi lies stating the Palestinians are interested in a " peace plan" and the " Two State Solution"

Tinnie does not LIE