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[Toro]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

Where I went to undergrad in Canada - you know, where they have "socialist medicine" - during the interview process for med school, one of the first questions they asked was "Why do you want to become a doctor?" And if you didn't include "money" or "good living," then apparently it diminished your chances of getting in.

I want whoever is the best. And if he's the best because he's motivated to be the best because he'll be paid a lot of money, I don't care. I'd rather have the guy cutting me open be extremely competent than the guy who is in it for all the right reasons but not very good.

 

[JoeB131]

You're going to get the Doctor that the government assigns to you and shut the fuck up

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

What? you got fired because you ran up to many medical bills? What the fuck do they care the insurance company pays for it.

You know, you'd think that.

But this company had a really fun habit of firing people when they had medical issues. Pregnancies, operations, long term therapy. Anything like that, they'd get rid of you, no matter how long you'd been there.

One fellow had a ligimant in his arm snap. After he was done with therapy, they fired him.

It's how they kept their premiums down. Shoot the sick and injured.

Fuck the insurance companies. The sooner we are rid of these parasites, the better.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

Joe i think the Doctors will have more say on much they will be paid over what people like you think......your problem is you equate a doctor who is paid very nicely with a guy who is only in it for the money.......and there are so many examples proving you wrong that its kinda laughable.....

We spend 14% of our GDP on medicine compare to most of the rest of the industrialized world, which spends anywhere from 5-7%. Yet we have the shortest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rates. Not to mention that 1 out of 4 Americans had either inadequate insurance or no insurance at all prior to the ACA being implemented.

what does that have to do with what i said?....and here we go again....your life expectancy has more to do with you than any Doctor or System.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

Joe if they are so advanced in medicine and have such a wonderful system you would think Neosporin or something like it would be readily available.....it isnt.....more bullshit from Moore....

NeoSPorin isn't available in Cuba because the company that makes it would be fined if it sold it to them.

But the fact is, despite being under brutal and inhumane trade embargoes for half a century, the Cubans are making a pretty good goal of it.

The problem you guys have is that as long as you are getting good medical care, kind of fuck everyone else.

NeoSPorin isn't available in Cuba because the company that makes it would be fined if it sold it to them.

there are other things like Neosporin Joe.....why dont they have them?....


The problem you guys have is that as long as you are getting good medical care, kind of fuck everyone else.



you want to show me where i have ever said that?....otherwise stick the "you guys" up your ass....

 

[JoeB131]

Joe i think the Doctors will have more say on much they will be paid over what people like you think......your problem is you equate a doctor who is paid very nicely with a guy who is only in it for the money.......and there are so many examples proving you wrong that its kinda laughable.....

We spend 14% of our GDP on medicine compare to most of the rest of the industrialized world, which spends anywhere from 5-7%. Yet we have the shortest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rates. Not to mention that 1 out of 4 Americans had either inadequate insurance or no insurance at all prior to the ACA being implemented.

what does that have to do with what i said?....and here we go again....your life expectancy has more to do with you than any Doctor or System.....

Yup. We have this system based on greed, we have the worst results, and it has nothing to do with the system.

Even though everyone else has a different system and gets better results.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

rofl

I missed this.

In your fantasy world Komrade Joseif, tell us how this is going to happen?

Oh, and no doubt, you'll tell the specialist before he's about to operate on you that he's a "cocksucker" who should be paid half of what he's making or be flipping burgers at McDonald's.

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

lots of Doctors dont like Medicaid because.....they are a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS to work with....

You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

LOTS of well paid Doctors already give a lot of their time to doing free services Joe.....you would know that if you didnt just buy the bullshit you are reading about how bad well paid Doctors are....

 

[Wyatt earp]

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

What? you got fired because you ran up to many medical bills? What the fuck do they care the insurance company pays for it.

You know, you'd think that.

But this company had a really fun habit of firing people when they had medical issues. Pregnancies, operations, long term therapy. Anything like that, they'd get rid of you, no matter how long you'd been there.

One fellow had a ligimant in his arm snap. After he was done with therapy, they fired him.

It's how they kept their premiums down. Shoot the sick and injured.

Fuck the insurance companies. The sooner we are rid of these parasites, the better.

you worked downtown right? I didnt know those pricks were that bad...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

You're going to get the Doctor that the government assigns to you and shut the fuck up

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.


i get a couple hundred to choose from....you must have pretty shitty Ins.....

 

[Seawytch]

rofl

I missed this.

In your fantasy world Komrade Joseif, tell us how this is going to happen?

Oh, and no doubt, you'll tell the specialist before he's about to operate on you that he's a "cocksucker" who should be paid half of what he's making or be flipping burgers at McDonald's.

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

lots of Doctors dont like Medicaid because.....they are a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS to work with....

You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

LOTS of well paid Doctors already give a lot of their time to doing free services Joe.....you would know that if you didnt just buy the bullshit you are reading about how bad well paid Doctors are....

MYTH FOUR: DOCTORS WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDICARE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE CUTS

Facts: Most Medicare patients do not have trouble finding doctors who will see them, but there is growing concern about access to primary care physicians.

This issue is monitored closely by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare. The agency's most recent annual survey of Medicare patients found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815

Actually, doctors like Medicare a lot better than insurance companies because Medicare pays.

 

[Redfish]

We spend 14% of our GDP on medicine compare to most of the rest of the industrialized world, which spends anywhere from 5-7%. Yet we have the shortest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rates. Not to mention that 1 out of 4 Americans had either inadequate insurance or no insurance at all prior to the ACA being implemented.

what does that have to do with what i said?....and here we go again....your life expectancy has more to do with you than any Doctor or System.....

Yup. We have this system based on greed, we have the worst results, and it has nothing to do with the system.

Even though everyone else has a different system and gets better results.

Nothing to see here.

our medical system is the best in the world. Why do rich people in those socialized medicine countries come to the US when they have anything serious?

socialism does not work, never has, never will

 

[Redfish]

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

lots of Doctors dont like Medicaid because.....they are a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS to work with....

You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

LOTS of well paid Doctors already give a lot of their time to doing free services Joe.....you would know that if you didnt just buy the bullshit you are reading about how bad well paid Doctors are....

MYTH FOUR: DOCTORS WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDICARE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE CUTS

Facts: Most Medicare patients do not have trouble finding doctors who will see them, but there is growing concern about access to primary care physicians.

This issue is monitored closely by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare. The agency's most recent annual survey of Medicare patients found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems.

Top six myths about Medicare | Reuters

Actually, doctors like Medicare a lot better than insurance companies because Medicare pays.

LOL, SOME doctors like medicare better than insurance because its easier to defraud medicare.

 

[Harry Dresden]

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

What? you got fired because you ran up to many medical bills? What the fuck do they care the insurance company pays for it.

You know, you'd think that.

But this company had a really fun habit of firing people when they had medical issues. Pregnancies, operations, long term therapy. Anything like that, they'd get rid of you, no matter how long you'd been there.

One fellow had a ligimant in his arm snap. After he was done with therapy, they fired him.

It's how they kept their premiums down. Shoot the sick and injured.

Fuck the insurance companies. The sooner we are rid of these parasites, the better.

you just got through saying it was your Company NOT the Ins Co who fired you.....yet you are still blaming the Ins co.........

 

[Harry Dresden]

We spend 14% of our GDP on medicine compare to most of the rest of the industrialized world, which spends anywhere from 5-7%. Yet we have the shortest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rates. Not to mention that 1 out of 4 Americans had either inadequate insurance or no insurance at all prior to the ACA being implemented.

what does that have to do with what i said?....and here we go again....your life expectancy has more to do with you than any Doctor or System.....

Yup. We have this system based on greed, we have the worst results, and it has nothing to do with the system.

Even though everyone else has a different system and gets better results.

Nothing to see here.

WHO is responsible for how you live Joe?.....the Doctor or YOU?.....if you dont take care of yourself and you have a Heart Attack, is that the Ins Co and Doctors fault....or yours?....if a Guy in France does not take care of himself.....whose fault is that?.....

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

Wow I never thought I'd hear that, when doctors also have to pay malpractice insurance before they can even practice medicine. Yet, putting all that aside, should you not be compensated for your education and working under extensive hours? I suppose the major factor of the troubles and bailouts behind the auto companies in Detroit, are the greed of union employees.

 

[JoeB131]

What? you got fired because you ran up to many medical bills? What the fuck do they care the insurance company pays for it.

You know, you'd think that.

But this company had a really fun habit of firing people when they had medical issues. Pregnancies, operations, long term therapy. Anything like that, they'd get rid of you, no matter how long you'd been there.

One fellow had a ligimant in his arm snap. After he was done with therapy, they fired him.

It's how they kept their premiums down. Shoot the sick and injured.

Fuck the insurance companies. The sooner we are rid of these parasites, the better.

you just got through saying it was your Company NOT the Ins Co who fired you.....yet you are still blaming the Ins co.........

Yes, they are the ones who instigated it.

And here's the thing. I got off lucky. Was able to get a new job within a couple weeks, and missed the massacre in Oct. 2008 where they fired 50% of the staff.

But frankly, employer health insurance is really a large part of the problem, because it gives people a false sense of security that they are covered. Until they actually try to file a claim.

 

[JoeB131]

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Wow I never thought I'd hear that, when doctors also have to pay malpractice insurance before they can even practice medicine. Yet, putting all that aside, should you not be compensated for your education and working under extensive hours? I suppose the major factor of the troubles and bailouts behind the auto companies in Detroit, are the greed of union employees.

The major trouble for the Auto Companies were the executives who paid themselves 8 figure salaries and made shitty decisions, not the union guy making $58K for actually assembling the car.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that doctors in the US are paid more than any country in the world... yet we get the worst results.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

lots of Doctors dont like Medicaid because.....they are a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS to work with....

You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

LOTS of well paid Doctors already give a lot of their time to doing free services Joe.....you would know that if you didnt just buy the bullshit you are reading about how bad well paid Doctors are....

MYTH FOUR: DOCTORS WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDICARE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE CUTS

Facts: Most Medicare patients do not have trouble finding doctors who will see them, but there is growing concern about access to primary care physicians.

This issue is monitored closely by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare. The agency's most recent annual survey of Medicare patients found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems.

Top six myths about Medicare | Reuters

Actually, doctors like Medicare a lot better than insurance companies because Medicare pays.

the Doctors i see said they pay but they are a pain in the Ass to work with.....because of all the fucking paperwork that has to be precise or they send bits of it back to be done again.....

 

[Seawytch]

what does that have to do with what i said?....and here we go again....your life expectancy has more to do with you than any Doctor or System.....

Yup. We have this system based on greed, we have the worst results, and it has nothing to do with the system.

Even though everyone else has a different system and gets better results.

Nothing to see here.

our medical system is the best in the world. Why do rich people in those socialized medicine countries come to the US when they have anything serious?

socialism does not work, never has, never will

We have the best healthcare system, but not the best access to it. You shouldn't have to be wealthy to get life saving care.

We have the best military in the world too...that protects all Americans equally.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You know, you'd think that.

But this company had a really fun habit of firing people when they had medical issues. Pregnancies, operations, long term therapy. Anything like that, they'd get rid of you, no matter how long you'd been there.

One fellow had a ligimant in his arm snap. After he was done with therapy, they fired him.

It's how they kept their premiums down. Shoot the sick and injured.

Fuck the insurance companies. The sooner we are rid of these parasites, the better.

you just got through saying it was your Company NOT the Ins Co who fired you.....yet you are still blaming the Ins co.........

Yes, they are the ones who instigated it.

And here's the thing. I got off lucky. Was able to get a new job within a couple weeks, and missed the massacre in Oct. 2008 where they fired 50% of the staff.

But frankly, employer health insurance is really a large part of the problem, because it gives people a false sense of security that they are covered. Until they actually try to file a claim.

i have never had a problem with a claim.....once again....it must be the Company .....Kaiser was fucked for me.....Blue Shield never has denied ANYTHING......

 

[Seawytch]

lots of Doctors dont like Medicaid because.....they are a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS to work with....

You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

LOTS of well paid Doctors already give a lot of their time to doing free services Joe.....you would know that if you didnt just buy the bullshit you are reading about how bad well paid Doctors are....

MYTH FOUR: DOCTORS WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDICARE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE CUTS

Facts: Most Medicare patients do not have trouble finding doctors who will see them, but there is growing concern about access to primary care physicians.

This issue is monitored closely by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), an independent Congressional agency charged with advising Congress on Medicare. The agency's most recent annual survey of Medicare patients found that just 2 percent of beneficiaries had problems of any kind finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare - the same percentage of patients aged 50-64 with private insurance who report problems.

Top six myths about Medicare | Reuters

Actually, doctors like Medicare a lot better than insurance companies because Medicare pays.

the Doctors i see said they pay but they are a pain in the Ass to work with.....because of all the fucking paperwork that has to be precise or they send bits of it back to be done again.....

Private insurance companies do the same thing.

Study: Doctors More Likely To Drop Private Insurance Than Medicare