On the GOP

[JoeB131]

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

totally wrong, the major cost drivers are:

malpractice insurance (a friend of mine is an ob/gyn he retired rather than pay 100K/yr for insurance--and he never had a case filed against him)


drug patents and big pharma greed. patents should not last 12 years, big pharma averages 30% profit, the defense industry averages 8%.

hospital greed. aspirins do not cost $5 each.

defensive medicine. unnecessary tests because thousands of greedy lawyers ready to pounce if anything ever goes wrong.

Too many lawyers. that is a problem for our entire society not just medicine

Funny, malpractice isn't anywhere on this list:

Seven Factors Driving Up Your Health Care Costs

Probably because, according to the CBO, malpractice accounts for less than 2% of HealthCare spending.

I did notice he cherry-picked an OB/GYN as an example of "outrageous" insurance costs, when that is the highest-risk speciality.

 

[Trajan]

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

]

How about addressing what I actually said instead of what I inferred.

Oh, by the way, I would IMPLY, you would INFER.

Fact is, we've turned medicine into a big business, and not surprisingly, we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries. We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter and we have an infant mortality rate on par with third world countries.

Maybe if we made medical school about getting the people who want to heal instead of the people who want to get rich, we'd get better results.

so its the doctors fault becasue...they get paid to much or go into it to make $$?...

as I said, you're the Kommissar, you want to treat people like blocks of wood, engineer them, tell them what they should feel, how to apply their avarice....

and the life expectancy crap again, jesus..

 

[Trajan]

Uh-huh, guy.

Frankly, having been to Canada, I realize that your countrymen are not the douchenoodle you are.

And knowing a lot of people from Chicago, I know that they don't pull shit out of their ass and call it gold like you do.

No. We also don't think people who put thousands of people out of work so he can buy a Dressage Horsie are wonderful people.

Which apparently you do.

man your life must really suck...I have never seen such splenetic envy/jealousy, what? get a life joe.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Back to square one: On the GOP

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and Americans citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

Seems from the posts by those on the right - attacking Democrats, liberals, progressives, RINO's and everyone under the sun who isn't a extreme conservative - that the GOP is doomed to be a regional party and if Texas and Virginia keep moving out of the red, that region is getting smaller each election cycle. Not one post proved, or even attempted to prove, that the points made in the OP were not spot on.

 

[Harry Dresden]

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

so why dont you answer the question Joe?.....will a Doctor right now Avg. 500 thousand a year take a 50% pay cut?....

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

Joe i think the Doctors will have more say on much they will be paid over what people like you think......your problem is you equate a doctor who is paid very nicely with a guy who is only in it for the money.......and there are so many examples proving you wrong that its kinda laughable.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

clip from an American hero's movie

Sicko: Michael Moore interviews a Doctor in UK - YouTube

michael moore is not very credible.....i have Cubans who live up here in the hills i delivered too.....they have family there....they were wondering why Michael did not go to the parts of Cuba were the people have sub-standard Medical Care.....one of them, his Aunt who lives in one of those areas cannot get neosporin.....they have to send her some every few months.....neosporin for christ sake.....

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

Joe if they are so advanced in medicine and have such a wonderful system you would think Neosporin or something like it would be readily available.....it isnt.....more bullshit from Moore....

 

[Trajan]

Back to square one: On the GOP

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and Americans citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

Seems from the posts by those on the right - attacking Democrats, liberals, progressives, RINO's and everyone under the sun who isn't a extreme conservative - that the GOP is doomed to be a regional party and if Texas and Virginia keep moving out of the red, that region is getting smaller each election cycle. Not one post proved, or even attempted to prove, that the points made in the OP were not spot on.

according to you everything about the gop is extremist, so you're stuck on stupid form the git go.

why don't you get off your inane soapbox....seriously....

and hey the dems? they aint about no power, they about the luuuuvvvv......

 

[Harry Dresden]

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

JOe is a marxist, he wants everyone to get the same pay no matter what their job is or whether they even bother to work

and he thinks a specialist who may be tops in his field will take what he is offered or he can go flip burgers....Joe will be flipping burgers before these guys....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

]

How about addressing what I actually said instead of what I inferred.

Oh, by the way, I would IMPLY, you would INFER.

Fact is, we've turned medicine into a big business, and not surprisingly, we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries. We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter and we have an infant mortality rate on par with third world countries.

Maybe if we made medical school about getting the people who want to heal instead of the people who want to get rich, we'd get better results.

we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries.

well i must have lucked out then...St Joesph Med Center over here takes dam good care of you....UCI is on the cutting edge of Medicine....

We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter

here we go again......

 

[Oddball]

Back to square one: On the GOP

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and Americans citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

Seems from the posts by those on the right - attacking Democrats, liberals, progressives, RINO's and everyone under the sun who isn't a extreme conservative - that the GOP is doomed to be a regional party and if Texas and Virginia keep moving out of the red, that region is getting smaller each election cycle. Not one post proved, or even attempted to prove, that the points made in the OP were not spot on.

No different than you attacking anything and everyone who isn't a blood-shooting-out-the-ears socialist prog bedwetter like you.

Like I keep saying....The absolutely least introspective poster on the forum.....EVAH!

 

[JoeB131]

so why dont you answer the question Joe?.....will a Doctor right now Avg. 500 thousand a year take a 50% pay cut?....

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

Joe i think the Doctors will have more say on much they will be paid over what people like you think......your problem is you equate a doctor who is paid very nicely with a guy who is only in it for the money.......and there are so many examples proving you wrong that its kinda laughable.....

We spend 14% of our GDP on medicine compare to most of the rest of the industrialized world, which spends anywhere from 5-7%. Yet we have the shortest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rates. Not to mention that 1 out of 4 Americans had either inadequate insurance or no insurance at all prior to the ACA being implemented.

 

[JoeB131]

michael moore is not very credible.....i have Cubans who live up here in the hills i delivered too.....they have family there....they were wondering why Michael did not go to the parts of Cuba were the people have sub-standard Medical Care.....one of them, his Aunt who lives in one of those areas cannot get neosporin.....they have to send her some every few months.....neosporin for christ sake.....

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

Joe if they are so advanced in medicine and have such a wonderful system you would think Neosporin or something like it would be readily available.....it isnt.....more bullshit from Moore....

NeoSPorin isn't available in Cuba because the company that makes it would be fined if it sold it to them.

But the fact is, despite being under brutal and inhumane trade embargoes for half a century, the Cubans are making a pretty good goal of it.

The problem you guys have is that as long as you are getting good medical care, kind of fuck everyone else.

 

[JoeB131]

And knowing a lot of people from Chicago, I know that they don't pull shit out of their ass and call it gold like you do.

No. We also don't think people who put thousands of people out of work so he can buy a Dressage Horsie are wonderful people.

Which apparently you do.

man your life must really suck...I have never seen such splenetic envy/jealousy, what? get a life joe.

It ain't about envy guy. It's pragmatism. When all you have in a society is the very poor and the very rich, it doesn't end well for the rich.

i.e.

France 1789
Russia 1917
Cuba 1959
Iran 1979

The only thing that keeps the GOP and it's naked love of Plutocracy in power is that they are usually able to play on the racial, religious and sexual fears of the RUBES to get them to vote against their own economic interests. But even that isn't working anymore. Democrats would have won the last six presidential elections if Republicans hadn't stolen the one in 2000.

 

[Toro]

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

so why dont you answer the question Joe?.....will a Doctor right now Avg. 500 thousand a year take a 50% pay cut?....

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

rofl

I missed this.

In your fantasy world Komrade Joseif, tell us how this is going to happen?

Oh, and no doubt, you'll tell the specialist before he's about to operate on you that he's a "cocksucker" who should be paid half of what he's making or be flipping burgers at McDonald's.

 

[JoeB131]

so why dont you answer the question Joe?.....will a Doctor right now Avg. 500 thousand a year take a 50% pay cut?....

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

rofl

I missed this.

In your fantasy world Komrade Joseif, tell us how this is going to happen?

Oh, and no doubt, you'll tell the specialist before he's about to operate on you that he's a "cocksucker" who should be paid half of what he's making or be flipping burgers at McDonald's.

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

 

[JoeB131]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

You're going to get the Doctor that the government assigns to you and shut the fuck up

 

[JoeB131]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

You're going to get the Doctor that the government assigns to you and shut the fuck up

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

 

[Toro]

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

rofl

I missed this.

In your fantasy world Komrade Joseif, tell us how this is going to happen?

Oh, and no doubt, you'll tell the specialist before he's about to operate on you that he's a "cocksucker" who should be paid half of what he's making or be flipping burgers at McDonald's.

You mean like they do in the rest of the world.

We have some of these cocksuckers saying they won't take medicaid patients anymore because Medicaid doesn't pay enough.

That's when you start pulling medical licenses. You can get it back when you do one year of charity work in a hospital in a poor region.

The rest of the world already works like this, guy. Only in America have we turned medicine into a "Get Rich Quick" scheme.

Since you brought up Canada, I'll give you a real life Canadian example of what happens when the government caps doctors' salaries. In Ontario, they cap payments to doctors at a certain amount, then claw back 90% above the amount billed above that rate. Do you know what the doctors do? They stop working. They say "Fine, we're not going to get paid beyond X amount of hours, we're not working." And they generally don't. They choose to spend more time with their families. In British Columbia, 10% of the citizens don't have a family doctor. And if you have one, it's almost impossible to switch because doctors will first take those on waiting lists.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Toro, who do you want cutting on you.

The guy who became a doctor because he wants to heal people.

or

The guy who became a doctor because he wants a mansion and a dressage horsie?

I think the latter guy is more likely to cut on you unnecessarily.

You're going to get the Doctor that the government assigns to you and shut the fuck up

As opposed to the one that the Insurance Company assigns to you.

Fun Story. At the last job I had, they brought in the Insurance Company Babe who told us who was and wasn't allowed in our network for dental.

(This would be the job where they eventually fired me after I ran up too many medical bills.)

Anyway, they then told is about which dentists were and weren't allowed in their network. And if I wanted to keep my regular dentist, the one who had been working on my mouth since 1993, I'd have to pay extra for the privilage.

She made a snide comment about people being "Married to their dentists".

I'd trust the government long before I'd trust an insurance company.

What? you got fired because you ran up to many medical bills? What the fuck do they care the insurance company pays for it.