On the GOP

[JoeB131]

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most Doctors in Europe make half as much .....do you think a specialist averaging 500 thou a year is going to take a 50% pay cut?.....no i didnt think so....

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

so why dont you answer the question Joe?.....will a Doctor right now Avg. 500 thousand a year take a 50% pay cut?....

The cocksucker will if he wants do something other than be a burger flipper at McDonalds.

 

[JoeB131]

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most Doctors in Europe make half as much .....do you think a specialist averaging 500 thou a year is going to take a 50% pay cut?.....no i didnt think so....

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

 

[JoeB131]

clip from an American hero's movie

Sicko: Michael Moore interviews a Doctor in UK - YouTube

michael moore is not very credible.....i have Cubans who live up here in the hills i delivered too.....they have family there....they were wondering why Michael did not go to the parts of Cuba were the people have sub-standard Medical Care.....one of them, his Aunt who lives in one of those areas cannot get neosporin.....they have to send her some every few months.....neosporin for christ sake.....

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

 

[midcan5]

A broad segment of the republican party has always been the party of business. Today with campaign laws, gerrymandering, and a business loving court, both parties are married to business for the obvious reason. The republican may be more blatant in their kowtowing to corporate interests, but 'Citizens United' changes the playing field from politics as usual to a corporate boardroom.

There is the far right though and they seem to manage the message and much of the craziness. Electing a 'Kenyan Marxist Socialist Muslim' has created a backlash from the real Americans on a level so powerful that irony is no longer irony. Every piece of information one sees in certain news agencies, involves this KMSM who has such great powers and micro manages at a level never known before in the history of government. One wonders how he does it, but given that background....

"'Practical' politics, it is held, calls for policies that appeal to the fortunate. The poor do not vote; the alert politician bids for the comfortable and the rich. This would be politically foolish for the Democratic Party; those whose primary concern is to protect their income, their capital and their business interest will always vote for the party that most strongly affirms its service to their pecuniary well-being. This is and has always been the republicans. The Democrats have no future as a low grade substitute.." John Kenneth Galbraith 'The Good Society'

"Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues. Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman


"In the political turnover in the United States in the autumn of 1994, as previously indicated, those opposing aid to the poor in its several forms won their stunning victory with the support of less than one quarter all eligible voters, fewer than half of whom had gone to the polls. The popular and media response was that those who had prevailed represented the view and voice of the public. Had there been a full turnout at the election, both the result and the reaction would have been decidedly different. The sense of social responsibility for the poor would have been greatly enhanced." John Kenneth Galbraith 'The Good Society'

Historians and social critics often explain the successes of conservative politics by pointing to the backlash against the victories of the social movements of the 1960s, the cultural reaction against the radicals who fought for civil rights, feminism, and gay and lesbian rights and who protested against the Vietnam War. The 1970s defection of white working class people alienated and frightened by the liberal program shifted the politics of the country far to the right. The argument is that in the days before the onset of the culture wars, a "liberal consensus" dominated American politics, especially around economics." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

 

[Wry Catcher]

clip from an American hero's movie

Sicko: Michael Moore interviews a Doctor in UK - YouTube

michael moore is not very credible.....i have Cubans who live up here in the hills i delivered too.....they have family there....they were wondering why Michael did not go to the parts of Cuba were the people have sub-standard Medical Care.....one of them, his Aunt who lives in one of those areas cannot get neosporin.....they have to send her some every few months.....neosporin for christ sake.....

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

The Cuban embargo is stupid and ought to be repealed. It won't because of FL's electoral votes. And that stinks. It didn't hurt Castro or his brother, it hurt the people of Cuba and those residents of FL and other states with family there they can't visit.

 

[Dot Com]

michael moore is not very credible.....i have Cubans who live up here in the hills i delivered too.....they have family there....they were wondering why Michael did not go to the parts of Cuba were the people have sub-standard Medical Care.....one of them, his Aunt who lives in one of those areas cannot get neosporin.....they have to send her some every few months.....neosporin for christ sake.....

Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

The Cuban embargo is stupid and ought to be repealed. It won't because of FL's electoral votes. And that stinks. It didn't hurt Castro or his brother, it hurt the people of Cuba and those residents of FL and other states with family there they can't visit.

Don't even get me started on "Heaven's Waiting Room"- AKA- Florida. Some real zany people down there. In their defense, they did have the sense to get rid of West (T-Party) though

 

[JoeB131]

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Well, maybe they could get NeoSporin if we took Cuba off the do not trade list.

It amazes me that we are still punishing Cuba for throwing out a dictator even we admit was a bad guy.

The Cuban embargo is stupid and ought to be repealed. It won't because of FL's electoral votes. And that stinks. It didn't hurt Castro or his brother, it hurt the people of Cuba and those residents of FL and other states with family there they can't visit.

All very true.

But I also think a lot of those emigres want to see their family suffer for picking the wrong side.

 

[Trajan]

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_w4Xulsjo5I#t=70s]Falco - Der Kommissar - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Redfish]

If you are a doctor so you can have a mansion and a yatch, you are a doctor for the wrong reason.

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

totally wrong, the major cost drivers are:

malpractice insurance (a friend of mine is an ob/gyn he retired rather than pay 100K/yr for insurance--and he never had a case filed against him)


drug patents and big pharma greed. patents should not last 12 years, big pharma averages 30% profit, the defense industry averages 8%.

hospital greed. aspirins do not cost $5 each.

defensive medicine. unnecessary tests because thousands of greedy lawyers ready to pounce if anything ever goes wrong.

Too many lawyers. that is a problem for our entire society not just medicine

 

[Redfish]

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

JOe is a marxist, he wants everyone to get the same pay no matter what their job is or whether they even bother to work

 

[Trajan]

hes the Kommissar.....flip burgers? $20 bucks an hour.....makes sense, right?

 

[JoeB131]

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totally wrong, the major cost drivers are:

malpractice insurance (a friend of mine is an ob/gyn he retired rather than pay 100K/yr for insurance--and he never had a case filed against him)


drug patents and big pharma greed. patents should not last 12 years, big pharma averages 30% profit, the defense industry averages 8%.

hospital greed. aspirins do not cost $5 each.

defensive medicine. unnecessary tests because thousands of greedy lawyers ready to pounce if anything ever goes wrong.

Too many lawyers. that is a problem for our entire society not just medicine

The thing is, being kind of retarded, you don't ask why Aspirins cost $5.00.

It's because the hospital is rquired to treat people in their emergency rooms, even if they can't pay. So they charge the paying customers more to cover overhead.

Oh, yeah, and you hit on the Malpractice and Lawyers, but the CBO has found even the most draconian Malpractice "reform" (i.e.- getting rid of your ability to seek compensation if the doctor fucks up) would reduce medical costs less than 4/10th of a percent.

Frankly, I'm glad the doctors are forced to take the time to make sure they aren't cutting off the wrong leg.

 

[JoeB131]

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

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How about addressing what I actually said instead of what I inferred.

Oh, by the way, I would IMPLY, you would INFER.

Fact is, we've turned medicine into a big business, and not surprisingly, we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries. We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter and we have an infant mortality rate on par with third world countries.

Maybe if we made medical school about getting the people who want to heal instead of the people who want to get rich, we'd get better results.

 

[Toro]

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

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How about addressing what I actually said instead of what I inferred.

Oh, by the way, I would IMPLY, you would INFER.

Fact is, we've turned medicine into a big business, and not surprisingly, we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries. We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter and we have an infant mortality rate on par with third world countries.

Maybe if we made medical school about getting the people who want to heal instead of the people who want to get rich, we'd get better results.

You IMPLY with your last two paragraphs that Canadian medical students are in it to heal rather than for the money.

I INFER that once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh-huh, guy.

Frankly, having been to Canada, I realize that your countrymen are not the douchenoodle you are.

 

[Toro]

Uh-huh, guy.

Frankly, having been to Canada, I realize that your countrymen are not the douchenoodle you are.

And knowing a lot of people from Chicago, I know that they don't pull shit out of their ass and call it gold like you do.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh-huh, guy.

Frankly, having been to Canada, I realize that your countrymen are not the douchenoodle you are.

And knowing a lot of people from Chicago, I know that they don't pull shit out of their ass and call it gold like you do.

No. We also don't think people who put thousands of people out of work so he can buy a Dressage Horsie are wonderful people.

Which apparently you do.

 

[Toro]

Actually, they do.

lol

 

[Seawytch]

I guess getting an extended education and taking on a vocation to make money doesn't pass muster with you?


so, you're the commissar for 'moral or scrupulous' vocational equivalence?

I know people who get Masters Degrees and Doctorates who end up working very middle class jobs. So I don't want to hear how the poor doctors are underpaid.

The reality- a major contribution to the runaway costs of medicine in this country is the greed of the practioners.

totally wrong, the major cost drivers are:

malpractice insurance (a friend of mine is an ob/gyn he retired rather than pay 100K/yr for insurance--and he never had a case filed against him)


drug patents and big pharma greed. patents should not last 12 years, big pharma averages 30% profit, the defense industry averages 8%.

hospital greed. aspirins do not cost $5 each.

defensive medicine. unnecessary tests because thousands of greedy lawyers ready to pounce if anything ever goes wrong.

Too many lawyers. that is a problem for our entire society not just medicine

Funny, malpractice isn't anywhere on this list:

Seven Factors Driving Up Your Health Care Costs

Probably because, according to the CBO, malpractice accounts for less than 2% of HealthCare spending.

 

[Seawytch]

I never said they were underpaid, you inferred strongly that they were overpaid remarking that if they got into it to make money, somehow, thats wrong, hence my remark.

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How about addressing what I actually said instead of what I inferred.

Oh, by the way, I would IMPLY, you would INFER.

Fact is, we've turned medicine into a big business, and not surprisingly, we get practices that charge a lot of money and don't provide very good care compared to other industrialized countries. We spend twice as much as Canada does per capita, but our life expetency is two years shorter and we have an infant mortality rate on par with third world countries.

Maybe if we made medical school about getting the people who want to heal instead of the people who want to get rich, we'd get better results.

You IMPLY with your last two paragraphs that Canadian medical students are in it to heal rather than for the money.

I INFER that once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

How could they be? According to people on the board, Doctors only get paid a decent salary here in the U.S.