On the GOP

The Republican Party (RP) is dying by its own hand. To be viable it needs to weed out extremists and understand a national party needs to represent all United States Citizens. At one time the party leaders pretended to have a big tent open to everyone; once that was proved ridiculous they dropped the tag-line and even the pretext of cultural pluralism.

There is no doubt that the RP is the party of Big Business and holds blue collar workers in disdain. Their policies exploit the low income worker, both non citizen immigrants and Americans citizens, and deceive the middle class with platitudes, false pathos and promises never fulfilled. They obfuscate issues with emotion laden propaganda and misuse words - making them pejoratives - to defame anyone who represents a threat to their one goal: Power.

Essentially the RP of today is built on a foundation of mendacity and is little different than the French Aristocracy before 1789. While the phrase, "let them eat cake" is apocryphal it exists today in the policies of the extreme members in GOP leadership, especially on the state level. Attacks on Unionism, demands that the poor pay more in taxes and the 'job creators' pay less, eliminating the minimum wage law, acting as if those in the legislatures know better then do doctors on the needs of health for women and children, building barriers to voting and that anyone who attempts to curtail the abuse of health insurers is a Communist, Socialist or Statist.

Unless the RP wakes up it will find itself a footnote in history.

hate to break the news to you skippy but big business is getting everything they want under Obama. think about it. they've already outsourced labor for lower cost labor. what is the one burden they still carry? what is the largest expense burden corporations carry? Healthcare. Guess what they partnered with Obama to get rid of? Their healthcare burden. Obama is transforming America. to a land of the entitled and corporations with no burden.
 
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And dude, go see a shrink about your anger issues. Seriously.

Guy, I'm the nicest person in the world. You talk to anyone who knows me IRL, they'll tell you what a nice guy I am.

They know I have strong political opinions, so they tend to avoid that subject with me. (And that was the case when I was on the right. Don't do anything by half measures.)

But if you are on my shitlist, you probably did something to deserve it.

You know, like belong to a cult started by pedophiles or wrecked the American economy. You know, some really shitty behavior.

Seriously, who gives a fuck about your shit list?

All it takes to get on that list is the temerity to disagree with you....stupid fuck.
 
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And dude, go see a shrink about your anger issues. Seriously.

Guy, I'm the nicest person in the world. You talk to anyone who knows me IRL, they'll tell you what a nice guy I am.

They know I have strong political opinions, so they tend to avoid that subject with me. (And that was the case when I was on the right. Don't do anything by half measures.)

But if you are on my shitlist, you probably did something to deserve it.

You know, like belong to a cult started by pedophiles or wrecked the American economy. You know, some really shitty behavior.

You can't be the nicest guy in the world... I am.

Immie
 
depends on where you work.....some places still need it.....the PO for one....
Perhaps, I won't dispute microcosms...I am speaking generally...there are laws now that supercede the need for Unions...

your right....but if the company does what they can to skirt around them,you are kinda stuck..........and OSHA and The Dept of Labor and the PO are all fellow Federal offices.....if there is a complaint and one of them call the PO to inquire about it.....the PO tells them we are looking in to it.....oh ok,well then talk to you later.....this will go on and on UNTIL the UNIONS start making some noise....then it gets taken care of....
Squeaky wheel...gets greased...etc... ;) Thanks HD :)

~T
 
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And dude, go see a shrink about your anger issues. Seriously.

Guy, I'm the nicest person in the world. You talk to anyone who knows me IRL, they'll tell you what a nice guy I am.

They know I have strong political opinions, so they tend to avoid that subject with me. (And that was the case when I was on the right. Don't do anything by half measures.)

But if you are on my shitlist, you probably did something to deserve it.

You know, like belong to a cult started by pedophiles or wrecked the American economy. You know, some really shitty behavior.

Seriously, who gives a fuck about your shit list?

All it takes to get on that list is the temerity to disagree with you....stupid fuck.

Not really. Lots of folks who disagree with me I like. I love a good intelligent argument.

For me to actually DISLIKE you, you have to really engage in some awful behavior.
 
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And dude, go see a shrink about your anger issues. Seriously.

Guy, I'm the nicest person in the world. You talk to anyone who knows me IRL, they'll tell you what a nice guy I am.

They know I have strong political opinions, so they tend to avoid that subject with me. (And that was the case when I was on the right. Don't do anything by half measures.)

But if you are on my shitlist, you probably did something to deserve it.

You know, like belong to a cult started by pedophiles or wrecked the American economy. You know, some really shitty behavior.

You can't be the nicest guy in the world... I am.

Immie

Okay, you win. I'm the second nicest.... :cool:
 
Too funny, the Leftwing solution to save the Repub Party is to have it become more like them...yeah...you just can't make this shit up.

So what alternatives do the GOP have to deal with the changing demographics and retain their hold on power? This is a serious question. How is the GOP going to rebrand itself in a way that will ensure a growing voter base in the future?
 
Conservative believe America is the Land of Opportunity; Progressives believe America is the land of Opportunity to collect Free Stuff
 
Conservative believe America is the Land of Opportunity; Progressives believe America is the land of Opportunity to collect Free Stuff

Then they are both wrong, then.

Conservatives believe because they are a little higher on the dungheap than "those people', they are somehow better off when most of them aren't.

Reality check, we were all more prosperous under Clinton than we were under Bush.
 
Too funny, the Leftwing solution to save the Repub Party is to have it become more like them...yeah...you just can't make this shit up.

So what alternatives do the GOP have to deal with the changing demographics and retain their hold on power? This is a serious question. How is the GOP going to rebrand itself in a way that will ensure a growing voter base in the future?

get rid of the fucking Far Right asswipes......
 
Conservative believe America is the Land of Opportunity; Progressives believe America is the land of Opportunity to collect Free Stuff

Then they are both wrong, then.

Conservatives believe because they are a little higher on the dungheap than "those people', they are somehow better off when most of them aren't.

Reality check, we were all more prosperous under Clinton than we were under Bush.

lots of things happened in Clintons reign that helped like the Dot com boom.....Bush started off with 9/11, that would not have helped anyone......but being that he was such a piss poor leader he went from a 90% approval rating to the lower end of the spectrum in no time....
 
Conservative believe America is the Land of Opportunity; Progressives believe America is the land of Opportunity to collect Free Stuff

Then they are both wrong, then.

Conservatives believe because they are a little higher on the dungheap than "those people', they are somehow better off when most of them aren't.

Reality check, we were all more prosperous under Clinton than we were under Bush.

lots of things happened in Clintons reign that helped like the Dot com boom.....Bush started off with 9/11, that would not have helped anyone......but being that he was such a piss poor leader he went from a 90% approval rating to the lower end of the spectrum in no time....

I actually vote for Bush both times. In 2000 because I was tired of Clinton's scandals and in 2004 because Kerry struck me as such a surrender monkey.

Some things that happened in his regime were beyond his control, like 9/11. Other things weren't, like going to war in IRaq or the poor response to Katrina.

Incidently, I think that Bush's first term wasn't that bad, because he had the grownups in the room with him- Ex Senators and Governors who knew how to get things done. It was the second term when he replaced them with cronies he had problems.
 
Too funny, the Leftwing solution to save the Repub Party is to have it become more like them...yeah...you just can't make this shit up.

So what alternatives do the GOP have to deal with the changing demographics and retain their hold on power? This is a serious question. How is the GOP going to rebrand itself in a way that will ensure a growing voter base in the future?

The GOP stratagy is somewhat bizare. They know that they already have 100% of the right wing loon vote, and nothing they can say can attract more. Therefore, they are gerrymandering, and making it difficult for the elderly, poor, and immigrants to vote. If you can't increase your base, then reduce the base of the competing party. This sort of thing has been very sucessful for the democrats in places like Masssachusetts for over a century. The republicans think that they can do it nation wide. However, writing off the entire population of both the East and West Coasts is going to take some serious rewrite of voting laws....
 
Too funny, the Leftwing solution to save the Repub Party is to have it become more like them...yeah...you just can't make this shit up.

So what alternatives do the GOP have to deal with the changing demographics and retain their hold on power? This is a serious question. How is the GOP going to rebrand itself in a way that will ensure a growing voter base in the future?

The GOP stratagy is somewhat bizare. They know that they already have 100% of the right wing loon vote, and nothing they can say can attract more. Therefore, they are gerrymandering, and making it difficult for the elderly, poor, and immigrants to vote. If you can't increase your base, then reduce the base of the competing party. This sort of thing has been very sucessful for the democrats in places like Masssachusetts for over a century. The republicans think that they can do it nation wide. However, writing off the entire population of both the East and West Coasts is going to take some serious rewrite of voting laws....

I recall hearing that the GOP strategy was to increase the white voter turnout.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Is Doubling Down on White Voters a Viable Strategy for the Republican Party?

However that is not going to work without the gerrymandering/voter suppression strategies that you so succinctly provided. The problem with those strategies stems from having the votes in order to pass that legislation and to get it past the courts. Right now they have succeeded in both but it has raised a considerable amount of ire and a formidable backlash. While 2020 might seem a long way off in reality it is just around the corner. Unless the GOP can hold onto those legislatures it will lose the ability to retain those gerrymandered districts.
 
Then they are both wrong, then.

Conservatives believe because they are a little higher on the dungheap than "those people', they are somehow better off when most of them aren't.

Reality check, we were all more prosperous under Clinton than we were under Bush.

lots of things happened in Clintons reign that helped like the Dot com boom.....Bush started off with 9/11, that would not have helped anyone......but being that he was such a piss poor leader he went from a 90% approval rating to the lower end of the spectrum in no time....

I actually vote for Bush both times. In 2000 because I was tired of Clinton's scandals and in 2004 because Kerry struck me as such a surrender monkey.

Some things that happened in his regime were beyond his control, like 9/11. Other things weren't, like going to war in IRaq or the poor response to Katrina.

Incidently, I think that Bush's first term wasn't that bad, because he had the grownups in the room with him- Ex Senators and Governors who knew how to get things done. It was the second term when he replaced them with cronies he had problems.

yep Bush started listening to the wrong people....and a bunch of slime balls they were....
 
So what alternatives do the GOP have to deal with the changing demographics and retain their hold on power? This is a serious question. How is the GOP going to rebrand itself in a way that will ensure a growing voter base in the future?

The GOP stratagy is somewhat bizare. They know that they already have 100% of the right wing loon vote, and nothing they can say can attract more. Therefore, they are gerrymandering, and making it difficult for the elderly, poor, and immigrants to vote. If you can't increase your base, then reduce the base of the competing party. This sort of thing has been very sucessful for the democrats in places like Masssachusetts for over a century. The republicans think that they can do it nation wide. However, writing off the entire population of both the East and West Coasts is going to take some serious rewrite of voting laws....

I recall hearing that the GOP strategy was to increase the white voter turnout.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Is Doubling Down on White Voters a Viable Strategy for the Republican Party?

However that is not going to work without the gerrymandering/voter suppression strategies that you so succinctly provided. The problem with those strategies stems from having the votes in order to pass that legislation and to get it past the courts. Right now they have succeeded in both but it has raised a considerable amount of ire and a formidable backlash. While 2020 might seem a long way off in reality it is just around the corner. Unless the GOP can hold onto those legislatures it will lose the ability to retain those gerrymandered districts.

Just because Phyllis Schafley endorses it, doesn't make it a viable strategy. That may work on a local level, but not nationwide.
 
The GOP stratagy is somewhat bizare. They know that they already have 100% of the right wing loon vote, and nothing they can say can attract more. Therefore, they are gerrymandering, and making it difficult for the elderly, poor, and immigrants to vote. If you can't increase your base, then reduce the base of the competing party. This sort of thing has been very sucessful for the democrats in places like Masssachusetts for over a century. The republicans think that they can do it nation wide. However, writing off the entire population of both the East and West Coasts is going to take some serious rewrite of voting laws....

I recall hearing that the GOP strategy was to increase the white voter turnout.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Is Doubling Down on White Voters a Viable Strategy for the Republican Party?

However that is not going to work without the gerrymandering/voter suppression strategies that you so succinctly provided. The problem with those strategies stems from having the votes in order to pass that legislation and to get it past the courts. Right now they have succeeded in both but it has raised a considerable amount of ire and a formidable backlash. While 2020 might seem a long way off in reality it is just around the corner. Unless the GOP can hold onto those legislatures it will lose the ability to retain those gerrymandered districts.

Just because Phyllis Schafley endorses it, doesn't make it a viable strategy. That may work on a local level, but not nationwide.

I agree that it won't win the presidency but it has proven highly effective at retaining control over the House at least until the next census. The double edged sword of the census is that the demographic shift is occurring primarily in the southern states. If the GOP retains control of those states then they gain even more house seats. Alternatively they have far more to lose if those states become purple or even blue during the next 4 election cycles.
 
I'm from the South, and when I was growing up, it was understood that only a damned yankee would vote republican (blacks didn't vote at all). Then LBJ got in and everything flip flopped, so that no self respecting white man in the South would vote democratic. BUT, now blacks vote, and they vote democratic. Louisianna is an interesting object lesson. The African-Americans dominate the South, and are gaining a base faster than than the White, nothern republicans. I think that it will not be long before Jindal will be shown the door, and the state goes blue. I have watched georgia go from being Lester Maddox country, to what it is now, which is basicly the suburbs of African-American Atlanta.
 
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I'm from the South, and when I was growing up, it was understood that only a damned yankee would vote republican (blacks didn't vote at all). Then LBJ got in and everything flip flopped, so that no self respecting white man in the South would vote republican. BUT, now blacks vote, and they vote democratic. Louisianna is an interesting object lesson. The African-Americans dominate the South, and are gaining a base faster than than the White, nothern republicans. I think that it will not be long before Jindal will be shown the door, and the state goes blue. I have watched georgia go from being lLster Maddox country, to what it is now, which is basicly the suburbs of African-American Atlanta.

LBJ was right about "locking in the black vote for the Dems" but he completely failed to understand how that would result in the southern white voters abandoning the Democratic party almost completely.
 

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