Parents in red-leaning suburbs outside NYC green-lighting armed security at public schools

[KissMy]

/——/ Europe puts crazy people in institutions, while we let ours roam the streets untreated, thanks to the ACLU.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30108-9/fulltext

Overall, there has been progress towards deinstitutionalisation, but “tens of thousands of people with mental health problems are living in psychiatric and other institutions in Europe today”, documents the report. Involuntary treatment and detention are a necessary part of mental health care, but strengthened community services, a high standard for wards, and fair reform of mental health laws must have higher priority.

Republican President Reagan emptied out the mental hospitals to terrorize citizens into begging for more law & order police to control citizens.

Big Oil polluted our air & water with lead to damage our brains.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Republican President Reagan emptied out the mental hospitals to terrorize citizens into begging for more law & order police to control citizens.

Big Oil polluted our air & water with lead to damage our brains.

/----/ All fake news, but we understand you have nothing else to post.

 

[AZrailwhale]

All it takes is one bad day...

Maybe for you. NOT for me. I've had many bad days and never even thought about using my guns to harm anyone else. Not even my ex-wife when she screwed up my life and absconded with my daughter when the court gave me custody.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Republican President Reagan emptied out the mental hospitals to terrorize citizens into begging for more law & order police to control citizens.

Big Oil polluted our air & water with lead to damage our brains.

Wrong, that is an urban legend. I was alive then. The ACLU sued and won so no one could be incarcerated against their will unless they were a clear and present danger to themselves or others and had to be immediately released when that could no longer be proven. So insane people who could function while medicated, were released and immediately stopped taking their medication with predictable results. That's why we have so many mentally ill people running around committing crimes and harming themselves.

 

[2aguy]

See, he can't help himself.

Mass shooting - any incident where more than one person is killed or injured.

We have 600 plus of those a year.

Nope......you lying asshat...

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation


Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

2023....12

2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2023....1
2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0
2006.....1
1999.......1
1998.....2
1992....1
1989....1

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Bicycles killed 891 (2020)

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...

2023...75
2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[JoeB131]

Nope......you lying asshat...

Incidents where more than 1 person is killed or injured. That's a mass shooting.

we have 600 of those a year.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Until recently, they weren't. It is in living memory that kids could bring a gun to school and hunt on the way home. They could take shooting classes in school, firing live ammo. No cops were necessary. Firearms and ammo could be ordered and delivered through the mail with no background checks, just send money. You could park your truck anywhere with multiple guns in a rack in the back window. Guess what we did NOT have? School shootings. Today, guns scare the snot out of people, make them run screaming the other direction if they even see one. You can't buy a firearm without first giving up your identity, having your background checked and waiting a while. In many places, you can't have a gun with you or anywhere near you. Guess what we have? School shootings.

What changed? Not guns.

New Age Sewage

A degenerate and unnatural culture created these psychos. What in traditional and sane times was thought to be goofy or creepy was pushed as entertainment. Everyone's conformist self accepted that, but their sane self evaporated under the pressure to follow along.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So instead of making it hard for the mentally ill to get treatment and easy for them to get guns, let's make it easy for them to get treatment and HARD for them to get guns.

The Best Treatment for Weirdos Is to Get Pistol-Whipped

 

[AZrailwhale]

Incidents where more than 1 person is killed or injured. That's a mass shooting.

we have 600 of those a year.

It's impossible for ONE PERSON to be a mass. You can't make up your own definitions for things and expect any SANE person to agree with you.

 

[JoeB131]

It's impossible for ONE PERSON to be a mass. You can't make up your own definitions for things and expect any SANE person to agree with you.

Which is why I said more than one.
English comprehension isn't your strong suit.

 

[ding]

Incidents where more than 1 person is killed or injured. That's a mass shooting.

we have 600 of those a year.

And? So what? Are you suggesting that peaceable law abiding citizens should be punished because of the bad acts of a few bad apples?

 

[JoeB131]

And? So what? Are you suggesting that peaceable law abiding citizens should be punished because of the bad acts of a few bad apples?

Um, yeah, actually.

Most laws that exist on the books only exist because of a few bad apples.

 

[ding]

Um, yeah, actually.

Most laws that exist on the books only exist because of a few bad apples.

Laws only punish the ones who break that law. It doesn't punish those that didn't break the law.

So why do you want to unfairly punish everyone?

 

[JoeB131]

Laws only punish the ones who break that law. It doesn't punish those that didn't break the law.

So why do you want to unfairly punish everyone?

Not letting someone have something they shouldn't have isn't punishing them.

For instance, if I have a bag of cocaine in my desk drawer, and I never snort it, never let anyone else snort it, I am still breaking the law by having it, because we've decided as a society this isn't something you should have except very few authorized people.

 

[ding]

Not letting someone have something they shouldn't have isn't punishing them.

For instance, if I have a bag of cocaine in my desk drawer, and I never snort it, never let anyone else snort it, I am still breaking the law by having it, because we've decided as a society this isn't something you should have except very few authorized people.

Taking away their right to defend their life, liberty and property is most certainly a punishment.

So why do you believe peaceable law abiding citizens should have their firearms taken away because of the bad acts of a few?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Um, yeah, actually.

Most laws that exist on the books only exist because of a few bad apples.

Yep and the laws ONLY PUNISH THE "FEW BAD APPLES", not everyone else.

 

[JoeB131]

Yep and the laws ONLY PUNISH THE "FEW BAD APPLES", not everyone else.

Then you shouldn't have a problem with a sensible gun law that makes you wait a few weeks so we know you aren't going to shoot up a preschool.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Then you shouldn't have a problem with a sensible gun law that makes you wait a few weeks so we know you aren't going to shoot up a preschool.

Nope, because since people like you won’t allow ACCURATE background checks. You keep the mentally ill off the no gun list, you keep repeatedly plea-bargaining gun felonies down to misdemeanors so the actual criminals don’t get put on the no gun list. With the actions of you and your fellow liberals, the background checks are meaningless because most of the people who belong on them are shielded by you and your fellow liberals.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Then you shouldn't have a problem with a sensible gun law that makes you wait a few weeks so we know you aren't going to shoot up a preschool.

/——/ Then you shouldn’t have a problem with “sensible” voter ID laws..

 

[JoeB131]

/——/ Then you shouldn’t have a problem with “sensible” voter ID laws..

when you can kill someone with a vote, absolutely.