Paying people off to avoid a scandal is perfectly legal

[Hiryuu]

What election law was violated if Trump used his own money to pay off this woman?

It is based in the assumption Trump paid her off as a function of his election, and that he wouldn't have paid her off if he wasn't running for election. It's also based on what Cohen plead guilty to, instead of going to court and making the prosecution prove he was guilty of. It's not illegal (considering there isn't a burn ban) to tell your kid to go burn a pile of brush in the backyard. It could be illegal however, to put the pile of brush too close to your barn, if the barn catches fire and you claim the insurance money (that could be arson).

It seems as though the proximity of the payoff, in relation to the election, is going to be the case the prosecution will try to make. It's understandable both sides will argue about that, but their desire to argue doesn't really have anything to do with the payoff, the woman, the lawyer, or the election, just whether or not it was insurance money and the fact Hillary lost. The funny part is that you could make the argument it was either, it could be considered to be either. Cohen just wasn't willing to let his time ride on reasonable doubt.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

The Kennedy family disagrees.

 

[mudwhistle]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

Hillary HAS done it.
That's what's ironic.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There is ZERO evidence Trump used campaign funds so NO CRIME.

That is where the problem is, he used non campaign funds for campaign expenses..that is a no no.

nope not according to the law

if he did with any other reason

such as to hide it from the wife

or

to save embarrassment to the family

then no crime has been committed

He did it to impact the election, no different than if he had used non campaign funds to pay for TV ads.

you cant prove that

and the law is clear if there are other possible reasons

no law is broke

i am not going to go around and around with you troll

over something that is already law

No law is broke......

exactly

 

[hadit]

Republicans will have to explain to me the proper protocol for paying off a hooker

Why, have you been doing it wrong?

 

[candycorn]

Oh yes it is.
And I'll gladly tell you why.
When you contribute to a campaign a "thing of value" it has to be documented and reported. That doesn't even need to be money.
The women were shushed to affect the outcome of the election, so that, by definition, makes it part of the campaign.

Say the president paid with his own money (which it looks like he did). They call that "in kind". It was money paid to affect the outcome of the election, so it was money paid to his campaign.
And it was unreported which means campaign finance laws were broken.
All he had to do was report it.
What's funny is how alike it is to Clinton's BJ. If Bill had reported his BJ from the beginning, Republicans never could have cornered him into lying to his wife.
Ergo,
If Trump had reported his payoffs to his hookers, he never would have broken campaign finance laws.

But Bill never had to pay for his BJ. He got that for free.

And what if he made the NDA payments to avoid personal embarrassment, in whole or in part?

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Which is what John Edwards did being married and all.

Only Trump was taped. And his timing was two weeks before the election.

And there were multiple women involved.

Edwards problem is he used campaign money to make the payoff, which is illegal. If there was a personal benefit, it's not a legitimate campaign expense. Trump gained a personal benefit, so it can't legally be a campaign expense. If it wasn't a legal campaign expense and wasn't paid with campaign money, there is no violation of campaign finance law.

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Trump’s lawyer pled guilty to campaign finance violations. I suppose Trump ass kissers would have us believe that he was working for Hillary?

Did he, cite the statute he plead guilty to. While your at it, explain how there was no personal benefit to Trump.

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You can google the former.
Massive personal benefit to candidate Trump.

 

[candycorn]

Unanswered of course is why anyone still supports a whore monger who surrounded himself with felons

This has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Please stay on topic.

You’re right. Has everything to do with Donald Trump—whore monger— who surrounds himself with felons. Thanks for teeing that one up for me.

 

[BluesLegend]

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

Its not a violation, legal experts and even the former head of the Federal Election Commission say so. Tissue? lmao!

the federal election commission SAID it WAS a crime, and that is why Cohen was able to be charged with a crime for it by the prosecutors....

It’s getting harder and harder to pretend these freaks aren’t certifiably insane, isn’t it?

You people have a lot of time on your hands since we took back the House, Senate, and White House. Try a new hobby you may have better luck vs trying to take down Trump.

And...how's that working for you?

Awesome. First we whooped the Dem's ass, then told them to STFU, then we laughed while they had a category 10 meltdown.

 

[candycorn]

That is where the problem is, he used non campaign funds for campaign expenses..that is a no no.

nope not according to the law

if he did with any other reason

such as to hide it from the wife

or

to save embarrassment to the family

then no crime has been committed

Yea but he did it to change the outcome of the election. That's a NO NO. He's on tape.

Yea but he did it to change the outcome of the election. That's a NO NO

So, Russia isn't to blame anymore,
the, 'whore, keep your mouth shuit, payout is...got it

Russia may be the next shoe to drop. Trump is embroiled in multiple scandals. The paying off of pornstars is just one of the many scandals brought about by the Trump Crime Syndicate.

Russia may be the next shoe to drop.

Shouldn’t that have happened already?

Several of the hackers have been indicted. The investigation continues

Trump is embroiled in multiple scandals. The paying off of pornstars is just one of the many scandals

Check this out....
Asia Argento, leader of the #MeToo whores,
that found courage and self respect, finally, after 20 fucking years
denies she forced herself, on a 17 year old boy...she was 37
and claims the payoff Bennett received,
was the doing of her boyfriend at the time,
Anthony Bourdain, who, of course, can't weigh in
because he killed himself, less than 2 months ago...

Anyhoo...
according to her the money was paid,
NOT because she was guilty,
but, because Anthony thought it was best,
to have compassion for someone struggling financially...
Oh, and could end up being NEGATIVE PUBLICITY

Even with pictures, text messages and a money trail
which support his allegations, she continues to call him a liar,
and blame Anthony Bourdain for giving him the money.

Now, THAT'S scandalous!

Maybe that played a role in his suicide... Fucking bitch!

You get the award for deflection of the year…

I don’t give whatever her name is you just mentioned any chance to win in 2020.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

Its not a violation, legal experts and even the former head of the Federal Election Commission say so. Tissue? lmao!

the federal election commission SAID it WAS a crime, and that is why Cohen was able to be charged with a crime for it by the prosecutors....

This was a witch hunt..........I've posted examples of similar circumstances........many Dems.........OMFG.........slap on the wrist........

Double standards and an Investigation in search of a crime.........nothing to do with Russia.............

A good while ago you said the cleaners would go in and find ONLY THINGS RELATED TO THE CASE.........RUSSIA........

They didn't now did they ...............I laughed at you then and I'm laughing at you now.

it's true it is not part of the Russia investigation, but that matters naught..... that is why it is in the Southern district of new york and not with the Mueller team.... these crimes have mostly to do with the taxi business of Cohen's and his taxi business partner, who was arrested by NY State and ratted on Cohen for his tax evasion and crimes.... in a plea bargain...

Cohen, via Lanny Davis released a tape he had of trump and him conspiring to pay the National Enquirer guy for the Karen McDougal $150k to silence her and prevent her story from being published, a ''catch and kill'', so that Trump could own the contract between AMI (Parent company of National Enquirer) in case their buddy over there at AMI got hit by a car or died in-expectantly, is what trump said on the tape we all heard.... He wanted to own the rights to it.

The prosecutors in the Southern District never got a copy of that phone recording because the special judicial magistrate said that could be attorney client privileged stuff.... but after the tape was released by Cohen, the southern district of new york got their hands on it, and then after investigating and determining a crime was committed, added the crimes to his other 5 charges involving his taxi medallion business.

Only juries determine whether a crime was committed, not prosecutors.

Whether by jury or plea, guilty is guilty, dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Double standards

Really? As I recall his career tanked as a result, and I sure didn’t see much support for his case out there.

Did he get charged with a FELONY..........NOPE.........

You lose.

Did he get charged with a FELONY..........NOPE.........

You lose.

You are such a moron.

John Edwards - Wikipedia

"A federal grand jury in North Carolina indicted Edwards in 2011 on six felony charges of violating multiple federal campaign contribution laws to cover up an extramarital affair to which he admitted, following his 2008 campaign. Edwards was found not guilty on one count, and the judge declared a mistrial on the remaining five charges, as the jury was unable to come to an agreement.[2] The Justice Department dropped the remaining charges and did not attempt to retry Edwards."

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cohn admitted he was guilty because he himself broke the law, which does not insinuate that Trump did.

Trump gave him the go ahead and later reimbursed cohen.

Criminal co-conspirators.

 

[mudwhistle]

And what if he made the NDA payments to avoid personal embarrassment, in whole or in part?

.

Which is what John Edwards did being married and all.

Only Trump was taped. And his timing was two weeks before the election.

And there were multiple women involved.

Edwards problem is he used campaign money to make the payoff, which is illegal. If there was a personal benefit, it's not a legitimate campaign expense. Trump gained a personal benefit, so it can't legally be a campaign expense. If it wasn't a legal campaign expense and wasn't paid with campaign money, there is no violation of campaign finance law.

.

Trump’s lawyer pled guilty to campaign finance violations. I suppose Trump ass kissers would have us believe that he was working for Hillary?

Did he, cite the statute he plead guilty to. While your at it, explain how there was no personal benefit to Trump.

.

You can google the former.
Massive personal benefit to candidate Trump.

Paying off the media with awards, jobs, and other inducements has been a massive benefit to Hillary, Obama, and other Derp State operators. The media is filled with graft, corruption, and nepotism in favor of Democrats.
The utter hypocrisy of this latest media circus argument is enough to make your head explode.
I have been pointing out the Elephant in the room for decades, but nobody on the left can face the truth, and folks on the right just throw their hands up and accept it.
It's getting really bad. We've been in Banana Republic territory for the last 8 years and it's getting worse by the day.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Cohn admitted he was guilty because he himself broke the law, which does not insinuate that Trump did.

Plea Bargains to a guilty plea...............are really not an admission of guilt..........

But given the entire Federal Gov't is coming after you............it was the lesser of evils............While he goes I'M GUILTY..........the power of an unfettered Gov't was a coming................so he took the deal............but not their mouthpiece................

Plea Bargains to a guilty plea...............are really not an admission of guilt..........

Whole new level of retarded. Yikes!

 

[candycorn]

Which is what John Edwards did being married and all.

Only Trump was taped. And his timing was two weeks before the election.

And there were multiple women involved.

Edwards problem is he used campaign money to make the payoff, which is illegal. If there was a personal benefit, it's not a legitimate campaign expense. Trump gained a personal benefit, so it can't legally be a campaign expense. If it wasn't a legal campaign expense and wasn't paid with campaign money, there is no violation of campaign finance law.

.

Trump’s lawyer pled guilty to campaign finance violations. I suppose Trump ass kissers would have us believe that he was working for Hillary?

Did he, cite the statute he plead guilty to. While your at it, explain how there was no personal benefit to Trump.

.

You can google the former.
Massive personal benefit to candidate Trump.

Paying off the media with awards, jobs, and other inducements has been a massive benefit to Hillary, Obama, and other Derp State operators. The media is filled with graft, corruption, and nepotism in favor of Democrats.
The utter hypocrisy of this latest media circus argument is enough to make your head explode.
I have been pointing out the Elephant in the room for decades, but nobody on the left can face the truth, and folks on the right just throw their hands up and accept it.
It's getting really bad. We've been in Banana Republic territory for the last 8 years and it's getting worse by the day.

The right wing rationalizations get more sad by the minute…

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Unanswered of course is why anyone still supports a whore monger who surrounded himself with felons

Better than surrounding oneself with filthy, despicable liberals.

Better than surrounding oneself with filthy, despicable liberals.

Better than surrounding oneself with filthy, despicable liberals.

Yee hawww!

 

[Weatherman2020]

As predicted, Russia! was just a lie to fabricate something to get Trump because he beat their Queen.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

It’s not ok when it’s a violation of election law

If Hillary did this you’d be in melt down

Now be quiet. You sound stupid

To be a valid election expense it would have to exclusively benefit the campaign, no rational person can make that claim. There were other personal benefits to the NDA's.

.

To be a valid election expense it would have to exclusively benefit the campaign, no rational person can make that claim. There were other personal benefits to the NDA's.

This is the thread you're posting in.
Paying people off to avoid a scandal is perfectly legal


So, avoiding a scandal is not a benefit to the campaign?

 

[mudwhistle]

Edwards problem is he used campaign money to make the payoff, which is illegal. If there was a personal benefit, it's not a legitimate campaign expense. Trump gained a personal benefit, so it can't legally be a campaign expense. If it wasn't a legal campaign expense and wasn't paid with campaign money, there is no violation of campaign finance law.

.

Trump’s lawyer pled guilty to campaign finance violations. I suppose Trump ass kissers would have us believe that he was working for Hillary?

Did he, cite the statute he plead guilty to. While your at it, explain how there was no personal benefit to Trump.

.

You can google the former.
Massive personal benefit to candidate Trump.

Paying off the media with awards, jobs, and other inducements has been a massive benefit to Hillary, Obama, and other Derp State operators. The media is filled with graft, corruption, and nepotism in favor of Democrats.
The utter hypocrisy of this latest media circus argument is enough to make your head explode.
I have been pointing out the Elephant in the room for decades, but nobody on the left can face the truth, and folks on the right just throw their hands up and accept it.
It's getting really bad. We've been in Banana Republic territory for the last 8 years and it's getting worse by the day.

The right wing rationalizations get more sad by the minute…

Sorry, but this is the law......and this is reality.
You have no issues with Democrats criminalizing normal activities and using them to assault their political opposition. Yet you turn around and openly support any Democrat that is caught red-handed breaking more serious laws. Espionage, obstruction of justice, perjury, sedition, illegal search and seizures, bribery, blackmail, criminal conspiracy, selective prosecution, The list goes on and on.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm not sure why, but it seems the Democrats think that paying off a woman to be quiet about a scandal is somehow illegal. Well, it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering what any of this has to do with collusion with Russia...

Not when it’s intended to influence the outcome of an election, as was Trump’s intent.

That you and others on the right continue to defend Trump in spite of the facts and evidence is further proof of how blind partisan and reprehensible most conservatives are.

The former chairman of the FEC said it's not a campaign donation, dumbass.

The former chairman of the FEC said it's not a campaign donation, dumbass.

Yes, retard. That is far better evidence than an actual admission of guilt.

This thread is probably the largest collection of demented RW retards that this board has ever seen.