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Pelosi Suggests Delaying State of the Union

Pelosi could end the shutdown.

So could Trump.

She is more responsible for it than Trump.

Nope. Trump owns this shutdown and he accepted ownership, as a matter for fact I think he said he'd be proud to own it. You may remember it was on Fox and the LMSM when he was in the Oval Office with Schumer and Pelosi - made all the news.

And yeah, it IS what she is saying. She cited security as a reason and she was lying. DHS proved it. She's issuing a veiled threat and it's obvious.
No, she didn't say he couldn't give it, she just wants to make sure as few people as possible see it, and don't give me that bullshit about a "written SOTU". You would be flipping out if Obama had been forced to submit the SOTU speech in fucking writing.

So you admit he can still given the SOTU speech. You just admitted you were wrong. Thank you.

He can do a SOTU from the Oval Office or a football stadium type rally, or he could send a written one like they did up until 1912. HIS choice.

You would be flipping out if Obama had been forced to submit the SOTU speech in fucking writing.

Nope, if Obama was holding 1.3 million people and families dependent on the federal jobs (employees and contractors) hostage I'd say the same thing.

(BTW - I never voted for Obama, I voted for McCain and Romeny. In 2016 I voted for Kaisch in the primary and general elections.)

.>>>>
 
The only one with a really serious Derangement Syndrome is Trump, and you know it.

He sees anything attached to Obama's name and he tries and kill it.

He even paid prostitutes to pee on a bed he was told the Obamas slept in in Russia

Ohh the buthurt is strong with this one!!! I hope he kills any memory of Obama who was an anti-American, neo-marxist President that the Democrats foisted upon us because even they could not countenance a Hillary Presidency. Many influential Democrats are celebrating the fact that Hillary got her head handed to her. I like Trump's 'derangement' you like Pelosi's 'derangement.' So fucking what? Trump is PRESIDENT!!! Pelosi and Hillary are NOT.

The 'paid prostitutes to pee on a bed' is from the discredited and unsupported dossier compiled by Christopher Steele who was paid to get dirt on Trump by the Hillary campaign who "indirectly employed" Steele. Nothing in that dossier has ever been proven yet it was used to get a FISA warrant on Carter Page.
The Steele Dossier has not been discredited. LOL

The Russia Connection
The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

By Sarah Grant, Chuck Rosenberg
Friday, December 14, 2018, 8:00 AM
lll
As we noted, our interest is in assessing the Steele dossier as a raw intelligence document, not a finished piece of analysis. The Mueller investigation has clearly produced public records that confirm pieces of the dossier. And even where the details are not exact, the general thrust of Steele’s reporting seems credible in light of what we now know about extensive contacts between numerous individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.

However, there is also a good deal in the dossier that has not been corroborated in the official record and perhaps never will be—whether because it’s untrue, unimportant or too sensitive. As a raw intelligence document, the Steele dossier, we believe, holds up well so far. But surely there is more to come from Mueller’s team. We will return to it as the public record develops.

lll

Mueller probe shows parts of Steele dossier true - CNN Video
 
Speaker Pelosi to Prez Trump: Maybe you can deliver your State of the Union in Writing

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

Trump's people always saying Congress and federal workers are a waste...security has probably been furloughed.. or people who process the things needed are home not being paid

“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government reopens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has reopened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on Jan. 29,” Ms. Pelosi wrote.​

Pelosi Asks Trump to Reschedule State of the Union Amid Shutdown

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

She should have checked with security.

They don't see a problem.

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union


(pure politics on her part)
She runs the House.

what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

She runs the House.

Obviously.

She claimed it should be delayed because of security issues.

Security says she's full of shit.

until she disinvites Trump, the door is open to him

This is nothing more than a political stunt, on her part.


what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

Kinda off the wall there, junior, but...


What's yours?


Link please: "Security says she's full of shit." come on bog man, we know you can do it
 
Donald Trump wants the speaker of the house of United States Congress to fly commercial into a war zone.
 
Speaker Pelosi to Prez Trump: Maybe you can deliver your State of the Union in Writing

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

Trump's people always saying Congress and federal workers are a waste...security has probably been furloughed.. or people who process the things needed are home not being paid

“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government reopens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has reopened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on Jan. 29,” Ms. Pelosi wrote.​

Pelosi Asks Trump to Reschedule State of the Union Amid Shutdown

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

She should have checked with security.

They don't see a problem.

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union


(pure politics on her part)
She runs the House.

what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

She runs the House.

Obviously.

She claimed it should be delayed because of security issues.

Security says she's full of shit.

until she disinvites Trump, the door is open to him

This is nothing more than a political stunt, on her part.


what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

Kinda off the wall there, junior, but...


What's yours?


Link please: "Security says she's full of shit." come on bog man, we know you can do it


if it's not it's in quotes, it's NOT a quote.

and only a complete moron wouldn't be able to Google the fact that there are numerous articles stating that security says there are no issues with the SOTU taking place as usual.



But, since you obviously need assistance using Google....

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union
 
Speaker Pelosi to Prez Trump: Maybe you can deliver your State of the Union in Writing

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

Trump's people always saying Congress and federal workers are a waste...security has probably been furloughed.. or people who process the things needed are home not being paid

“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government reopens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has reopened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on Jan. 29,” Ms. Pelosi wrote.​

Pelosi Asks Trump to Reschedule State of the Union Amid Shutdown

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

She should have checked with security.

They don't see a problem.

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union


(pure politics on her part)
She runs the House.

what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

She runs the House.

Obviously.

She claimed it should be delayed because of security issues.

Security says she's full of shit.

until she disinvites Trump, the door is open to him

This is nothing more than a political stunt, on her part.


what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

Kinda off the wall there, junior, but...


What's yours?


Link please: "Security says she's full of shit." come on bog man, we know you can do it


if it's not it's in quotes, it's NOT a quote.

and only a complete moron wouldn't be able to Google the fact that there are numerous articles stating that security says there are no issues with the SOTU taking place as usual.



But, since you obviously need assistance using Google....

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union
Being prepared is their job.

Being able to guarantee something is another thing

apologists like you have followed Trump's lead = no shame
 
Speaker Pelosi to Prez Trump: Maybe you can deliver your State of the Union in Writing

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

Trump's people always saying Congress and federal workers are a waste...security has probably been furloughed.. or people who process the things needed are home not being paid

“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless government reopens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has reopened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to the Congress on Jan. 29,” Ms. Pelosi wrote.​

Pelosi Asks Trump to Reschedule State of the Union Amid Shutdown

The Trump Shutdown has closed government so... Security concerns at the Capitol Building

She should have checked with security.

They don't see a problem.

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union


(pure politics on her part)
She runs the House.

what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

She runs the House.

Obviously.

She claimed it should be delayed because of security issues.

Security says she's full of shit.

until she disinvites Trump, the door is open to him

This is nothing more than a political stunt, on her part.


what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

Kinda off the wall there, junior, but...


What's yours?


Link please: "Security says she's full of shit." come on bog man, we know you can do it


if it's not it's in quotes, it's NOT a quote.

and only a complete moron wouldn't be able to Google the fact that there are numerous articles stating that security says there are no issues with the SOTU taking place as usual.



But, since you obviously need assistance using Google....

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union
She should have checked with security.

They don't see a problem.

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union


(pure politics on her part)
She runs the House.

what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

She runs the House.

Obviously.

She claimed it should be delayed because of security issues.

Security says she's full of shit.

until she disinvites Trump, the door is open to him

This is nothing more than a political stunt, on her part.


what's your next imbecilic claim, the House Negroes telling Tommy Jefferson how to run the nation?

Kinda off the wall there, junior, but...


What's yours?


Link please: "Security says she's full of shit." come on bog man, we know you can do it


if it's not it's in quotes, it's NOT a quote.

and only a complete moron wouldn't be able to Google the fact that there are numerous articles stating that security says there are no issues with the SOTU taking place as usual.



But, since you obviously need assistance using Google....

Nielsen: Secret Service prepared to secure State of the Union
Being prepared is their job.

Being able to guarantee something is another thing

apologists like you have followed Trump's lead = no shame

Being able to guarantee something is another thing

guarantee?


No more 'guarantee' than at any other SOTU.

apologists like you have followed Trump's lead = no shame

apologists?

you're hilarious




and possibly as insane as Nancy
 
"Trump responds to Pelosi trying to get him to move State of the Union by telling her she can’t go on a foreign trip unless she flies commercial."
DxIrbtUXcAA5T07.jpg
Proof trump is a POS
As noted by Politico’s Capitol Hill bureau chief, John Bresnahan, Trump’s public letter exposed a trip that had been a “closely held secret due to security concerns” for Pelosi.


John Bresnahan@BresPolitico

https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1085980694181019649

Pelosi's trip to Afghanistan had been a closely held secret due to security concerns, of course. Very few people knew she was heading there. @SteveScalise mentioned Pelosi was headed to Brussels in his presser this morning, which angered Dems.


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2:22 PM - Jan 17, 2019
 
"First it was Hawaii. Then it was Puerto Rico. Then it was using military aircraft to fly overseas... all while the government is shut down. Bravo to POTUS. The Speaker (and all members) should stay in Washington until Democrats can compromise and secure our southern border." - Marvelous Mark Meadows
 
From the transcript-
COMEY:
I was very keen not to leave him with an impression that the bureau was trying to do something to him. So that's the context in which I said, sir, we're not personally investigating you.

COLLINS: Then — and that's why you volunteered the information?

COMEY: Yes, ma'am.

COLLINS: Then on the January 27th dinner, you told the president that he should be careful about asking you to investigate because, “you might create a narrative that we are investigating him personally, which we weren't.” Again, were you limiting that statement to counterintelligence investigations, or more broadly, such as a criminal investigation?

COMEY: I didn't modify the word investigation. It was, again, he was reacting strongly against the unverified material, saying I'm tempted to order you to investigate it. In the context of that, I said, sir, be careful about it. I might create a narrative we're investigating you personally.

The only one with a really serious Derangement Syndrome is Trump, and you know it.

He sees anything attached to Obama's name and he tries and kill it.

He even paid prostitutes to pee on a bed he was told the Obamas slept in in Russia

Ohh the buthurt is strong with this one!!! I hope he kills any memory of Obama who was an anti-American, neo-marxist President that the Democrats foisted upon us because even they could not countenance a Hillary Presidency. Many influential Democrats are celebrating the fact that Hillary got her head handed to her. I like Trump's 'derangement' you like Pelosi's 'derangement.' So fucking what? Trump is PRESIDENT!!! Pelosi and Hillary are NOT.

The 'paid prostitutes to pee on a bed' is from the discredited and unsupported dossier compiled by Christopher Steele who was paid to get dirt on Trump by the Hillary campaign who "indirectly employed" Steele. Nothing in that dossier has ever been proven yet it was used to get a FISA warrant on Carter Page.
The Steele Dossier has not been discredited. LOL

The Russia Connection
The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

By Sarah Grant, Chuck Rosenberg
Friday, December 14, 2018, 8:00 AM
lll
As we noted, our interest is in assessing the Steele dossier as a raw intelligence document, not a finished piece of analysis. The Mueller investigation has clearly produced public records that confirm pieces of the dossier. And even where the details are not exact, the general thrust of Steele’s reporting seems credible in light of what we now know about extensive contacts between numerous individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.

However, there is also a good deal in the dossier that has not been corroborated in the official record and perhaps never will be—whether because it’s untrue, unimportant or too sensitive. As a raw intelligence document, the Steele dossier, we believe, holds up well so far. But surely there is more to come from Mueller’s team. We will return to it as the public record develops.

lll

Mueller probe shows parts of Steele dossier true - CNN Video
 
In the end, there’s no getting around Congress. Somewhere, James Madison is smiling.
 
You know, some on here are saying that the SS is prepared to do their job and secure the SOTU. Granted, that may be what the supervisors are saying, but what about the actual SS personnel on the ground? They haven't been getting paid, and won't get paid until the government reopens. We have already heard stories about how the SS was messing around with prostitutes and partying too much, so how hard would it be to imagine some terrorist organization going up to some of them (who aren't getting paid, possibly living paycheck to paycheck), offer them a whole bunch of money to look the other way while they went in, and then did an attack during the SOTU?

And.................yes, I get it, there are a lot of you who will point to their loyalty and their oath that they would never go back on. Got news for you, I never thought that someone in my Navy would ever have sold secrets to the Russians. Ever heard of John Walker who was a Radioman for the Navy? He and his father sold a whole bunch of classified stuff to the Russians, and BOTH had served in the military. You never know when a traitor will finally reveal their price, and you never know who might be willing to pay it. Yes, Pelosi is right, delay the SOTU on the floor of the House until AFTER the shutdown, because it's hard to bribe people who have steady paychecks, but much easier when they are hurting for cash.

But, like it has been pointed out several times on this thread. Trump doesn't have to do it in a joint session of Congress. He can submit it in writing, give one from the Oval Office, hold one of his famous rallies in a stadium, whatever. He isn't being stopped from giving the SOTU, and it's not being held hostage. He can still give it however he wants, other than from the floor of the House.

And, Trump canceling Pelosi's trip to visit the troops was kind of a childish response. She wasn't going somewhere fancy or nice, she was traveling to a war zone on a morale visit and fact finding mission for the troops. Why does Trump hate our troops? Why can't he allow our politicians to check on them while they are in harms way?
 
"Trump responds to Pelosi trying to get him to move State of the Union by telling her she can’t go on a foreign trip unless she flies commercial."
DxIrbtUXcAA5T07.jpg
Proof trump is a POS
As noted by Politico’s Capitol Hill bureau chief, John Bresnahan, Trump’s public letter exposed a trip that had been a “closely held secret due to security concerns” for Pelosi.


John Bresnahan@BresPolitico


Pelosi's trip to Afghanistan had been a closely held secret due to security concerns, of course. Very few people knew she was heading there. @SteveScalise mentioned Pelosi was headed to Brussels in his presser this morning, which angered Dems.


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2:22 PM - Jan 17, 2019
The wall just got 30 feet shorter.
 
Senators Schumer, Collins, Rounds & King Team Up to Give Amnesty to 12 Million Illegal Aliens

Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Mike Rounds (D-S.D.), and Angus King (I-Maine) have teamed up to offer an amendment that would -- based on DHS's estimation -- gut interior enforcement and grant amnesty to more than 10 million illegal aliens ... including some who aren't even here yet!

NumbersUSA's Director of Government Relations, Rosemary Jenks, issued the following statement earlier today:

NumbersUSA is asking our 9 million activists to contact their Senators and oppose the Schumer/Collins/Rounds/King amendment -- The amendment offered by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), and Angus King (I-Maine) would grant amnesty and a path to citizenship to well over 1.8 million illegal aliens. Shockingly, the amendment also would prevent the Department of Homeland Security from removing any illegal aliens currently here, or who can get here by June 30, 2018, unless they are convicted of a serious crime. This would effectively grant amnesty to the 12 million illegal aliens already in the country, plus anyone in the world who can enter illegally or overstay a visa in the next four months.


Schumer-Rounds-Collins Destroys Ability of DHS to Enforce Immigration Laws, Creating a Mass Amnesty For Over 10 Million Illegal Aliens, Including Criminals

#1—Provides a Safe Enforcement-Free Haven for Over 10 Million Illegal Aliens
#2—Fails to Secure the Border
#3—Not a DREAMer Bill, But a Mass Amnesty Bill for Illegal Aliens of All Ages
#4—Expands Chain Migration
#5 Keeps the Visa Lottery





 
Nancy Pelosi is really bitch slapping Donald Trump.

She said maybe he doesn’t care to pay people who work for the country but we do.

He said they can’t just go and ask their father for more money.
 
Trump thinks Congress going to Afghanistan to get Intel from soldiers on the ground is a photo op.

That tells you he has no idea what he’s doing.
 
Nice try, asshole, but I didn't lie about anything. They never intended to fund the wall because they knew Trump would not agree to a deal that would make the wall obsolete if it were built. Chain migration and the visa lottery would have made it obsolete. And the only side job you have involves bath houses. Idiots are not capable of educating anyone.
Of course you're lying. You're a conservative, ain'tcha? Democrats offered to place $25 billion into a trust fund for border security. That wasn't good enough for Trump and Republicans so they rejected that.

Now they have nothing.
You don't read so well, do you? I'm not gonna repeat myself just because you can't stay focused (or understand plain English).
So? Democrats still offered Trump $25 billion. It wasn’t good enough for him. So now Democrats, who now have some power in Congress, offer Trump their middle finger.

How dishonest, the text of the proposed bill said up to $25B that wasn't already appropriated, the problem being of course that all of Treasury funds were already appropriated , so there was no new money authorized.
The bill called for $25 billion to be appropriated and placed in a trust fund to be established with restrictions that no more than $5 billion could be withdrawn in a fiscal year until the funds were exhausted.

SEC. ll. BORDER SECURITY TRUST FUND.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established in the Treasury of the United States a trust fund to be known as the Border Security Trust Fund (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Trust Fund’’), consisting of amounts appropriated to the Trust Fund under subsection (b) and any amounts that may be credited to the Trust Fund under subsection (c).
(b) APPROPRIATION.—There are appropriated to the Trust Fund $25,000,000,000, to remain available until expended.
(c) INVESTMENT OF AMOUNTS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of the Treasury shall invest such portion of the Trust Fund as is not required to meet cur- rent withdrawals in interest-bearing obligations of the United States or in obligations guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the United States.
(2) INTEREST AND PROCEEDS.—The interest on, and the proceeds from the sale or redemption of, any obligations held in the Trust Fund shall be credited to and form a part of the Trust Fund.
(d) AVAILABILITY OF AMOUNTS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to paragraph (2), amounts in the Trust Fund shall be available to the Secretary of Homeland Security, without further appropriation, for—
(A) construction of not fewer than 700 miles of reinforced fencing, excluding vehicle barriers;
(B) installation of additional physical barriers;
(C) construction and maintenance of access and patrol roads;
(D) lighting;
(E) an interlocking surveillance camera system;
(F) remote sensors; and
(G) the purchase from the Secretary of Defense of surplus aircraft and unmanned air- craft systems.
(2) LIMITATION.—Not more than $5,000,000,000 of the amount in the Trust Fund may be obligated and expended in any fiscal year.
Which SA bill is that............that link doesn't show that language...........

115th Congress on immigration, 2017-2018 - Ballotpedia
February 15, 2018: Senate rejects four immigration reform proposals
On February 15, 2018, the Senate began voting on a series of immigration bills aimed at finding a legislative fix for the expiring Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and border security measures. All of the measures failed to earn enough support for passage.

By a vote 52-47, the Senate rejected a measure from Sens. Chris Coons (D-Del.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) that proposed a path to citizenship for 1.8 million individuals brought into the U.S. without legal permission as children and included a study to determine what border security measures were needed. It also proposed requiring the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to secure the U.S.-Mexico border by 2021. It did not include any funding for border security. Forty-six Democrats, four Republicans—Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)—and Sens. Angus King (I-Maine) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted to proceed to a vote on the bill. Forty-six Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) voted against the motion. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) did not vote. The motion needed 60 votes to proceed to a vote on the final bill.[14][15]

The Senate also rejected an amendment from Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) that proposed withholding “certain non-law enforcement federal grant funds from ‘sanctuary cities’ -- jurisdictions that forbid their local law enforcement officers from cooperating with federal immigration officials, even when they wish to do so,” according to a press release from Toomey’s office. The legislation was rejected by a vote of 54-45. Fifty Republicans, four Democrats—Sens. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.)—voted to proceed to a vote on the final amendment. Forty-three Democrats and Sens. Angus King (I-Maine) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted against proceeding to a vote. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) did not vote. Sixty votes were needed to overcome the procedural hurdle.[16][17]

By a vote of 54-45, the Senate rejected a bipartisan proposal from the Common Sense Coalition, a group of centrist senators, that proposed a path to citizenship for 1.8 million individuals brought into the U.S. without legal permission as children, $25 billion for border security, and limitations on family-based immigration. President Donald Trump threatened to veto the legislation because it did not include all of his immigration reform priorities. Forty-four Democrats, eight Republicans—Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), Lindsey Graham(R-S.C.), Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), and Mike Rounds (R-S.D.)—and Sens. Angus King (I-Maine) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted to proceed to a vote on the final legislation. Forty-two Republicans and three Democrats—Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), and Tom Udall (D-N.M.)—voted against proceeding to a vote. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) did not vote. Sixty votes were needed to overcome the procedural hurdle.[18][19]

By a vote of 39-60, the Senate rejected a proposal from Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that included President Donald Trump's four immigration reform pillars. It proposed a path to citizenship for 1.8 million individuals brought into the U.S. without legal permission as children, $25 billion for border security, limits on chain migration or family-based migration, and eliminating the visa lottery system.[20]

After the votes, it was unclear how Congress would address DACA and other immigration reform measures.
 

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