Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill

[JBeukema]

A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times

Over the counter murder. We should be proud.

someone doesn't how the pill works.

It prevents implantation, thereby ensuring the death of the zygote, is present.

 

[Luissa]

I wonder if those pharmacists that are so pissed carry regular birth control pills.

Preempting conception of life and murdering a life are two different things. Got a better red herring than that, or what?

Dude, you really need to learn how Plan B works. It prevents the egg from attaching to the uterin wall, just like some birth controls. It DOES NOT kill the fetus. Which is why you have to take within 72 hrs of having unprotected sex, otherwise it is ineffective.

 

[Luissa]

Over the counter murder. We should be proud.

someone doesn't how the pill works.

It prevents implantation, thereby ensuring the death of the zygote, is present.

So do IUD's.. I guess I was murdering babies every month when I had one.

 

[JBeukema]

I wonder if those pharmacists that are so pissed carry regular birth control pills.

Preempting conception of life and murdering a life are two different things. Got a better red herring than that, or what?

Dude, you really need to learn how Plan B works. It prevents conception, just like birth control. It DOES NOT kill the fetus. Which is why you have to take within 72 hrs of having unprotected sex, otherwise it is ineffective.

It does ensure the death of the zygote. The only reason is doesn't kill a foetus is because it ensures death of the child, if present, before it reaches the state of development where it is labeled a foetus. You're playing silly semantic games and failing to point out where Gunny's really incorrect- which is that regular BC does the same thing. Should it fail to prevent fertilization (by thickening the mucous around the cervix), it prevents implantation of the zygote (impregnation) (sometimes) by also effecting the lining of the uterus and making implantation more difficult.


Then, of course, sometimes it fails altogether.

 

[JBeukema]

someone doesn't how the pill works.

It prevents implantation, thereby ensuring the death of the zygote, is present.

So do IUD's.. I guess I was murdering babies every month when I had one.

I wouldn't sweat it. Nature prevents many zygotes from successfully implanting and many blastocysts from surviving. Surprisingly few fertilizations lead to live birth or even to the owman becoming aware of a pregnancy.

Ever had an unusually heavy period that was a few days late? You very well might have had a spontaneous abortion at the earliest stages of pregnancy for any of a myriad of reasons.

 

[Luissa]

Preempting conception of life and murdering a life are two different things. Got a better red herring than that, or what?

Dude, you really need to learn how Plan B works. It prevents conception, just like birth control. It DOES NOT kill the fetus. Which is why you have to take within 72 hrs of having unprotected sex, otherwise it is ineffective.

It does ensure the death of the zygote. The only reason is doesn't kill a foetus is because it ensures death of the child, if present, before it reaches the state of development where it is labeled a foetus. You're playing silly saemantic games and failing to point out where Gunny's really incorrect- which is that regular BC does the same thing. Should it fail to prevent fertilization (by thickening the mucous around the cervix, it prevents implantation (impregnation) of the zygote (sometimes) by also effecting the lining of the uterus and making implantation more difficult.


Then, of course, sometimes it fails altogether.

I edited my reply because I used the wrong word.

 

[Luissa]

It prevents implantation, thereby ensuring the death of the zygote, is present.

So do IUD's.. I guess I was murdering babies every month when I had one.

I wouldn't sweat it. Nature prevents many zygotes from successfully implanting and many blastocysts from surviving. Surprisingly few fertilizations lead to live birth or even to the owman becoming aware of a pregnancy.

Ever had an unusually heavy period that was a few days late? You very well might have had a spontaneous abortion at the earliest stages of pregnancy for any of a myriad of reasons.

I am a women who has had a child, I know all this.

 

[Luissa]

Over the counter murder. We should be proud.

someone doesn't how the pill works.

It prevents implantation, thereby ensuring the death of the zygote, is present.

And to be correct, it can prevent ovulation, in the same way birth control does. It contains progestin, which is the same thing they put in birth control. If you have sex on a certain day, and are not due to ovulate for two days, Plan B will also prevent fertilization.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think you are incorrect on there being 5 days to take it. I just read the literature on it yesterday and it specifically said it must be taken within the first 72 hours and closer to the first few hours after the incident, within 24 hours is the most effective....there is only a 7 out of 8 chance if following these instructions that it will be effective....after 72 hours it is useless? where did you read it was 5 days?

I can't explain the discrepancy between the medical sites and the pharmaceutical sites, other than to guess that they are worried about litigation.

Emergency contraception: Timeframe for using emergency contraceptives (the morning after pill)

yours is about an older version, a 2 pill situation, the plan b emergency one that i posted is the newest version, where only 1 pill is required but it MUST BE taken immediately or up to 72 hours, from what i gather....?

My site actually mentions both types, and states that one form of Plan B is actually 2 pills taken 12 hours apart. I am not familiar enough with the actual meds to do anything more than point out what the site says.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's called "emergency contraception" for a reason you dishonest fuck. Throughout this whole thread you keep trying to make it personal because you have no legit argument so you accuse people of being lazy, etc, etc, when really you are just completely tanked.

It is called emergency contraception to confuse people who think you have to take it right away. There is a 5 day window in which it is effective, which means it is not an emergency.

I guess that means you are the one without an effective argument because, no matter how you look at it, this is not going to save anyone's life. If the people who "need" it would take personal responsibility in the first place they would not need it because they would be using something else. Even if what they prefer to use fails they always have the option of an abortion, so there is absolutely no need for Plan B to be required to be sold anywhere. Unless, that is, abortions are inherently unsafe, which no one who advocates for abortions will admit.

That is a catch-22, the only way you could convince me that this is necessary is admit something you refuse to admit.

There isn't a 5 day window you dumbfuck. This is exactly what I mean about ignorant fucking dumbasses trying to debate when they don't even have basic fucking facts. The facts get posted and whiny ***** like you ignore it.

According to the site I linked to you are wrong. Take it up with them if you have a problem.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Only dumbasses like you can quote the fact it states:

"Plan B One-Step is just one pill that you take as soon as possible after sex."

Then squiggle and squirm it into "five days."

Fucking dishonest jackasses.

Quoting the source it 'squiggling and squirming'?

Let me get this straight: You take one sentence that says sooner is better and contort it into some sort of 'I'm-gonna-die-if-I-don't-take-this-pill-in-the-next-hour' 'emergency'. Then you declare that quoting the same source verbatim is 'squirming'. Then you declare someone else to be dishonest?

You dishonest ****. I never said nor implied anything about dying and your source for the 5 day window is from fucking Princeton and it's not talking about the plan B One step that must be taken as soon as possible.

That "one sentence" I took is from the fucking manufacturer's instructions you ignorant **** so yes that makes more sense than your unsupported Princeton bullshit. What else ya got you lying fuck?

Actually, the Princeton site specifically counters your claim that Plan B has to be taken within 72 hours.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Holy fuck you are pathetic. Plan B one step is an emergency contraception. The instructions are to take it as soon as fucking possible after sex. That might be why.....ya know....they call it EMERGENCY contraception. Your five day red herring is a painfully transparent attempt to ignore the facts as we know them then you have the audacity to accuse others of being dishonest. Shove another cock down your throat because you sure as hell don't use your head in any other way.

Yet you are insisting that women have time to have sex, make an appointment, go to the doctor and get a prescription, go to the pharmacy, and then take the pill, and pharmacies have to carry it because, you know, it is like, an emergency. Why don't they use other contraceptives, and keep a supply of Plan B on hand, in case they need it, instead of waiting until it is too late to try and get it ASAP?

 

[CurveLight]

Holy fuck you are pathetic. Plan B one step is an emergency contraception. The instructions are to take it as soon as fucking possible after sex. That might be why.....ya know....they call it EMERGENCY contraception. Your five day red herring is a painfully transparent attempt to ignore the facts as we know them then you have the audacity to accuse others of being dishonest. Shove another cock down your throat because you sure as hell don't use your head in any other way.

1) It was your side that first link to the 5-day information

2) Since when is linking to medical studies a redherring?

3) How is presenting facts ignoring them?

4) Why are you thinking about getting throatfucked and why can't you have the decency to keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself?

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ec-review.pdf

Clearly, your faith and your desire for totalitarian socialism as a pathway to a new Utopia, combined with your hatred of liberty and the free market as capitalist evils that are inherently designed as machinations top facilitate the oppression of the proletariat, prevents you from discussing the matter honesty or truly examining any information or evidence that contradicts your delusional worldview.

Is it useless to discuss any particular aspect of the matter with you. Any genuine intellectual contact in which we'd have you engage involves a challenge to your fundamental faith, a struggle for your soul. You have laid your reason and intellect upon the alter of the 'progressive' authoritarian dogma of the strict fatherly State and the war against those who would dare exercise their liberty and personal believes rather than falling ion line with your personal dicta and surrender their will and morality in the name of your convenience- and now you lack the strength of mind and will to take them up again, turning your back on the promise of your faith and deal with the world as it truly is.

Lol! A goofy socialism rant? Dumbass.

 

[CurveLight]

Holy fuck you are pathetic. Plan B one step is an emergency contraception. The instructions are to take it as soon as fucking possible after sex. That might be why.....ya know....they call it EMERGENCY contraception. Your five day red herring is a painfully transparent attempt to ignore the facts as we know them then you have the audacity to accuse others of being dishonest. Shove another cock down your throat because you sure as hell don't use your head in any other way.

Yet you are insisting that women have time to have sex, make an appointment, go to the doctor and get a prescription, go to the pharmacy, and then take the pill, and pharmacies have to carry it because, you know, it is like, an emergency. Why don't they use other contraceptives, and keep a supply of Plan B on hand, in case they need it, instead of waiting until it is too late to try and get it ASAP?

You don't need a prescription for PB One Step you stoopid fucking asswipe.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Holy fuck you are pathetic. Plan B one step is an emergency contraception. The instructions are to take it as soon as fucking possible after sex. That might be why.....ya know....they call it EMERGENCY contraception. Your five day red herring is a painfully transparent attempt to ignore the facts as we know them then you have the audacity to accuse others of being dishonest. Shove another cock down your throat because you sure as hell don't use your head in any other way.

Yet you are insisting that women have time to have sex, make an appointment, go to the doctor and get a prescription, go to the pharmacy, and then take the pill, and pharmacies have to carry it because, you know, it is like, an emergency. Why don't they use other contraceptives, and keep a supply of Plan B on hand, in case they need it, instead of waiting until it is too late to try and get it ASAP?

You don't need a prescription for PB One Step you stoopid fucking asswipe.

Funny, the people who make it disagree with you.

Plan B® One-Step Prescribers: Prescriber Information

 

[CurveLight]

Holy fuck you are pathetic. Plan B one step is an emergency contraception. The instructions are to take it as soon as fucking possible after sex. That might be why.....ya know....they call it EMERGENCY contraception. Your five day red herring is a painfully transparent attempt to ignore the facts as we know them then you have the audacity to accuse others of being dishonest. Shove another cock down your throat because you sure as hell don't use your head in any other way.

Yet you are insisting that women have time to have sex, make an appointment, go to the doctor and get a prescription, go to the pharmacy, and then take the pill, and pharmacies have to carry it because, you know, it is like, an emergency. Why don't they use other contraceptives, and keep a supply of Plan B on hand, in case they need it, instead of waiting until it is too late to try and get it ASAP?

Yet you are insisting that women have time to have sex, make an appointment, go to the doctor and get a prescription, go to the pharmacy, and then take the pill, and pharmacies have to carry it because, you know, it is like, an emergency. Why don't they use other contraceptives, and keep a supply of Plan B on hand, in case they need it, instead of waiting until it is too late to try and get it ASAP?

You don't need a prescription for PB One Step you stoopid fucking asswipe.

Funny, the people who make it disagree with you.

Plan B® One-Step Prescribers: Prescriber Information

Show us where it says you have to have a prescription you stoopid fuck. Guess what? You proved yourself to a fucking idiot. Again.

"Since 2006, those 18 or older can buy Plan B over the counter at local pharmacies."
Plan B – Plan B One Step - Who Can Buy Plan B One Step (the new Plan B)?

 

[Luissa]

All you have to do is go to your pharmacy and ask for it. You don't need to even talk to your doctor. Your insurance will either pay for it, or you usually have to pay around $50.

 

[Luissa]

It is called emergency contraception to confuse people who think you have to take it right away. There is a 5 day window in which it is effective, which means it is not an emergency.

I guess that means you are the one without an effective argument because, no matter how you look at it, this is not going to save anyone's life. If the people who "need" it would take personal responsibility in the first place they would not need it because they would be using something else. Even if what they prefer to use fails they always have the option of an abortion, so there is absolutely no need for Plan B to be required to be sold anywhere. Unless, that is, abortions are inherently unsafe, which no one who advocates for abortions will admit.

That is a catch-22, the only way you could convince me that this is necessary is admit something you refuse to admit.

There isn't a 5 day window you dumbfuck. This is exactly what I mean about ignorant fucking dumbasses trying to debate when they don't even have basic fucking facts. The facts get posted and whiny ***** like you ignore it.

According to the site I linked to you are wrong. Take it up with them if you have a problem.

Actually you have to take within 72 hrs. With some brands you take one, with other you take two. ONe the first day, and the next one the same time the following day.

 

[CurveLight]

There isn't a 5 day window you dumbfuck. This is exactly what I mean about ignorant fucking dumbasses trying to debate when they don't even have basic fucking facts. The facts get posted and whiny ***** like you ignore it.

According to the site I linked to you are wrong. Take it up with them if you have a problem.

Actually you have to take within 72 hrs. With some brands you take one, with other you take two. ONe the first day, and the next one the same time the following day.

There's Plan B (two pill) and Plan B one step which is one pill and to be taken asap.

 

[elvis]

According to the site I linked to you are wrong. Take it up with them if you have a problem.

Actually you have to take within 72 hrs. With some brands you take one, with other you take two. ONe the first day, and the next one the same time the following day.

There's Plan B (two pill) and Plan B one step which is one pill and to be taken asap.

Too bad your mother didn't take one of them.