Predict the Trump verdict. (Poll)

[Votto]

Well, in the sense of "innocent until proven guilty" it does.

Are you actually saying that Trump might be innocent?

 

[OKTexas]

MSN

Closing arguments start Tuesday morning, then the jury instructions, then the jury decides the verdicts.

So my take on it is that Trump will be found guilty of the misdemeanor bookkeeping counts, and not guilty on the any of the (3) "super-secret felonies"

So Trump walks, since the misdemeanor counts all expired (unless they hid one of the "super-secret felonies", which was a "no")

I'm betting that "innocent until proven guilty" holds serve in the jury, for the "super-secret felonies"

I say it's 50/50 they will be hung on all counts. Without bootstrapping the felonies the statute of limitations on the bookkeeping has long expired.

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

People are voting their hopes, not what the evidence clearly points out.

Read the final jury instructions.

 

[Lastamender]

People are voting their hopes, not what the evidence clearly points out.

Read the final jury instructions.

Post them.

 

[Mac1958]

I'd guess hung jury.

It's almost irrelevant. We have much bigger problems, and they'll almost certainly get worse regardless of the verdict.

 

[john doe 101]

I voted.

Is it rigged?

 

[lennypartiv]

Trump will be found GUILTY on some of the 34 Counts.

It's New York, of course they'll find Trump guilty.

 

[kyzr]

It's New York, of course they'll find Trump guilty.

I kind of agree with that. Would the potential jurors who are Republicans have made it to the jury pool?

If the jury is comprised of 12 democrats, Trump will be found guilty, NY prosecutors know how to read voter rolls.

 

[kyzr]

A hung jury does not mean “not guilty,” no matter how you phrase it. Redo the poll.

wut?
1. A hung jury means innocent of the charges.
2. redo the poll how?

 

[Mac1958]

I would explain it to you, but hell it would just be a waste of time.

Yep. That's how it is here. It's much better for observation than conversation.

 

[kyzr]

People are voting their hopes, not what the evidence clearly points out.

Read the final jury instructions.

What evidence?
1. Trump had Cohen (his legal expert) negotiate an NDA with Stormy.
2. Trump paid his lawyer for legal services, including the NDA
3. Trump didn't know all the term of the NDA, and actually paid Cohen $60,000 too much!
4. There are no "super-secret felonies" that Trump was trying to cover-up.
5. The misdemeanor bookkeeping errors, even if illegal, which they aren't, have long expired.
6. The final jury instructions will be a legal joke. (Just find Trump guilty)

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

kyzr's summation if he were a lawyer, would get him barred. That's not the truth of what happened.

 

[kyzr]

kyzr's summation if he were a lawyer, would get him barred. That's not the truth of what happened.

So show us the truth, if you can find it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So show us the truth, if you can find it.

Read the indictment, and study the transcrip, then we can talk, because right now you know nothing.

 

[kyzr]

Read the indictment, and study the transcrip, then we can talk, because right now you know nothing.

LOL!! You think that the indictment is legal? You think that the conflicted judge is following the LAW?
Here's a recent article from a real legal expert.

Bragg and the Jackson Pollock School of Prosecution: Why the Trump Trial Could End With a Hung Jury

Below is my column in the Hill on the approaching closing arguments in the Trump trial. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg appears to be launching his own school of abstract legal work in the …

jonathanturley.org

"For many of us, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has created a new school of abstract law where there is no need for objective meaning. The jury is simply supposed to enjoy it for what it is: a chance to convict Donald Trump.
Merchan has ruled that the jurors can disagree on what actually occurred in terms of the second crime. This means there could be three groups of four jurors, with one believing that there was a conspiracy to conceal a state election violation, another believing there was a federal election violation (which Bragg cannot enforce), and a third believing there was a tax violation, respectively. Nonetheless, Merchan will treat that as a unanimous verdict."

 

[Independent thinker]

MSN

Closing arguments start Tuesday morning, then the jury instructions, then the jury decides the verdicts.

So my take on it is that Trump will be found guilty of the misdemeanor bookkeeping counts, and not guilty on the any of the (3) "super-secret felonies"

So Trump walks, since the misdemeanor counts all expired (unless they hid one of the "super-secret felonies", which was a "no")

I'm betting that "innocent until proven guilty" holds serve in the jury, for the "super-secret felonies"

I'm thinking that initially there will be 3-4 jurors and one or two of them will succomb to the pressure and change their vote to guilty with one or two remaining who will refuse to succomb to the pressure.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

kyzr still demonstrates he does not understand the indictment, the standards for conviction and for sentencing.

Independent Thinker may be right of a hung jury. I don't think so.

 

[Resnic]

I think the two lawyers on the jury will vote not guilty on all charges. They will understand the massive overreach and consequences of allowing this clown show to convict. Plus they have a vested interest in not legitimizing this novel legal farce.

Unless they are diehard democrats. Then the only thing they care about is "get trump". Nothing else matters to them. Disregard facts, lie, be biased, refuse to listen to others, be irrational, be unfair, and so on. All that matters is to get trump.

Besides, not legitimizing this doesn't concern most because it only goes to this extreme for trump because he is trump. Just like the trial over real estate values, they didn't go after any other real estate people despite they all do the same thing trump does and dozens of them admitted so publicly yet no charges were brought against them.

 

[Rogue AI]

Unless they are diehard democrats. Then the only thing they care about is "get trump". Nothing else matters to them. Disregard facts, lie, be biased, refuse to listen to others, be irrational, be unfair, and so on. All that matters is to get trump.

Besides, not legitimizing this doesn't concern most because it only goes to this extreme for trump because he is trump. Just like the trial over real estate values, they didn't go after any other real estate people despite they all do the same thing trump does and dozens of them admitted so publicly yet no charges were brought against them.

You are mistaken, NY simply hasn't gone after anyone but Trump YET. They essentially legalized theft in the order of hundreds of millions of dollars. If this farce is allowed to stand they will go after anyone they disapprove of.

 

[kyzr]

kyzr still demonstrates he does not understand the indictment, the standards for conviction and for sentencing.

Independent Thinker may be right of a hung jury. I don't think so.

You need to learn the difference between presenting valid arguments and moronic contradiction...