pknopp
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Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.
THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.
Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.
The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.
And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.
I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.
Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?
And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it
Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?
^^^ fake news ^^^
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.
2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?
it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?
I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.
What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?
it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.
point blank question:
do you think antifa was part of these protests?
1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,
2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.
3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)
but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.
donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.
here's yer antifa poster boy.
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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.
You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.
I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.
This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.
From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.
That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.
pure bullshit on yer part.
I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.
Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.
Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.
When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.
Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.
But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.
sorry - but i don't buy that line of bullshit. you believe antifa was involved this time around despite all indications they weren't. just like donny. & you agreed with another poster re: the notion that old man is an 'antifa provocateur' just like donny. he doubled down & apparently you are following suit. will it be a triple play on yer chosen ones' part as well? how about you; will you still CONtinue to be the poorly educated deplorable trump loves long time & totally dismiss the facts & start yer own pablum spew about the deep state coup against president dotard?
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
Ryan Lucas
U.S. Attorney General William Barr has repeatedly blamed anti-fascist activists for the violence that has erupted during demonstrations over George Floyd's death, but federal court records show no sign of so-called antifa links so far in cases brought by the Justice Department.
NPR has reviewed court documents of 51 individuals facing federal charges in connection with the unrest. As of Tuesday morning, none is alleged to have links to the antifa movement.
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
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June 10, 2020 / 1:46 AM / in a day
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence
Sarah N. Lynch, Mark Hosenball, Mica Rosenberg, Brad Heath
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WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department moved swiftly to bring federal charges against 53 individuals accused of violence during nationwide protests that swept across the United States calling for an end to police brutality.
Attorney General William Barr promised a crackdown on members of the anti-fascist movement known as antifa and other “extremists” he blamed for helping to drive the violence.
But a Reuters examination of federal court records related to the charges, social media posts by some of the suspects and interviews with defense lawyers and prosecutors found mostly disorganized acts of violence by people who have few obvious connections to antifa or other left-wing groups.
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence
Federal Arrests Show No Sign that Antifa Plotted Protests
Despite claims by President Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr, there is scant evidence that loosely organized anti-fascists are a significant player in protests.
June 11, 2020Updated 11:53 a.m. ET
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But despite cries from President Trump and others in his administration, none of those charged with serious federal crimes amid the unrest have been linked so far to the loose collective of anti-fascist activists known as antifa.
A review of the arrests of dozens of people on federal charges reveals no known effort by antifa to perpetrate a coordinated campaign of violence. Some criminal complaints described vague, anti-government political leanings among suspects, but the majority of the violent acts that have taken place at protests have been attributed by federal prosecutors to individuals with no affiliation to any particular group.
Federal Arrests Show No Sign that Antifa Plotted Protests
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A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. You need to calm down and try to make your points, more clearly, with less raving.
According to the Justice Department they are tracking the money used to support Antifa to go after those arrests.
Basic Logic would let people like playtime know there must be a trail that leads to and away from Antifa.
Details to be released just after Trump releases his copy of Obama's birth certificate.
Was that supposed to be completely nonsensical and clever, or just completely nonsensical?
You understand the connotations.