Pro abortion and Nazism

[Photonic]

PS..you don't save a species by killing it off. In case you didn't know. To preserve a species with a high mortality rate you need a HIGHER birth rate, not a lower one.

So the whole Nazi concept of "death to preserve life" is no more viable today than it was when the deathcamp docs were spouting it.

No, what you need is a sustainable environment.

The real problem is that we've already messed with the system. Any species that sustains itself does so because it maintains a steady repelacement rate, not an expanding one.

For most of human history, when the life span was only about 40 years and infant mortality was north of 50%, this wasn't an issue. The human species spread across the planet but largely had sustainable numbers.

Then we invented agriculture and medicine and vastly increased our numbers to the point where they aren't sustainable in the long run.

There are regions that are deserts today that were once thriving agricultural centers. But they were stripped bare by farming. Given enough time, even with improvements in agriculture, the whole world is going to look like that, but not before we've wiped out every forest and jungle and swamp trying to maximize foodproduction to feed 7 billion hungry mouths.

Prior to agriculture mortality was expected to be around age 21-25 for humans. It remained close to that number for thousands of years until scientific application in medicine.

Just friendly fact correction.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

Actually, we know quite a lot from the fossils we have found.

Oh, wait, you don't believe in fossils, you believe in talking snakes...

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah, you point me to the vast quantities of human fossils we have that predate AGRICULTURE.

I'll wait.

 

[Photonic]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

We know quite a bit, including their diet, interaction with animals, general psychology, infant mortality rate, etc.

Hunter-gatherer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, you point me to the vast quantities of human fossils we have that predate AGRICULTURE.

I'll wait.

I hope you're not serious.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pro abortion and Nazism

This is clearly an example of ignorance and demagoguery, to compare the Constitutional right to privacy with Nazism.

Abortion was practiced in the Nazi regime as sanctioned state policy, which is not the case in the United States, where abortion is determined a private matter unsuitable for state interference per the right to privacy.

Those opposed to abortion would better serve their cause by seeking solutions in the venue of medical science as opposed to law and public policy, as they are comprehensively ignorant of the latter.

 

[koshergrl]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

We know quite a bit, including their diet, interaction with animals, general psychology, infant mortality rate, etc.

Hunter-gatherer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol.

Do you get all of your information from wiki?

And I see no evidence of their lifespan. I see an article that says "we know this" and "we know that" with almost zero evidence referenced.

 

[koshergrl]

Pro abortion and Nazism

This is clearly an example of ignorance and demagoguery, to compare the Constitutional right to privacy with Nazism.

Abortion was practiced in the Nazi regime as sanctioned state policy, which is not the case in the United States, where abortion is determined a private matter unsuitable for state interference per the right to privacy.

Those opposed to abortion would better serve their cause by seeking solutions in the venue of medical science as opposed to law and public policy, as they are comprehensively ignorant of the latter.

Please point out where in the Constitution abortion is mentioned.

Whack job.

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah, you point me to the vast quantities of human fossils we have that predate AGRICULTURE.

I'll wait.

I hope you're not serious.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope you aren't.

Honestly, you guys expect to be taken seriously when your "evidence" comes from WIKI?

BWAHAHAHAHAAA...

You might at least make an attempt to pretend you know what you're yapping about.

 

[koshergrl]

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (August 2009) "

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[koshergrl]

Oh but there's more:

" Most of the fossils shown are not considered direct ancestors to Homo sapiens"

Retards.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[koshergrl]

PS, I see nothing that makes an estimate of lifespan.

So tell me, is it your MO just to spout nonsense and try to pass it off as "science" or is this a special occasion?

 

[Photonic]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

We know quite a bit, including their diet, interaction with animals, general psychology, infant mortality rate, etc.

Hunter-gatherer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol.

Do you get all of your information from wiki?

And I see no evidence of their lifespan. I see an article that says "we know this" and "we know that" with almost zero evidence referenced.

Do you get all your information out of your own internal reality?

 

[Photonic]

Here ya go Kosher.

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[edit]Further reading

Barnard, A. J., ed. (2004). Hunter-gatherers in history, archaeology and anthropology. Berg. ISBN 1-85973-825-7.
Bettinger, R. L. (1991). Hunter-gatherers: archaeological and evolutionary theory. Plenum Press. ISBN 0-306-43650-7.
Brody, Hugh (2001). The Other Side Of Eden: hunter-gatherers, farmers and the shaping of the world. North Point Press. ISBN 0-571-20502-X.
Lee, Richard B. and Irven DeVore, eds. (1968). Man the hunter. Aldine de Gruyter. ISBN 0-202-33032-X.
Meltzer, David J (2009). First peoples in a new world: colonizing ice age America. University of California, Berkeley. ISBN 0-5202-5052-4.
Morrison, K. D. and L. L. Junker, eds. (2002). Forager-traders in South and Southeast Asia: long term histories. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-01636-3.
Panter-Brick, C., R. H. Layton and P. Rowley-Conwy, eds. (2001). Hunter-gatherers: an interdisciplinary perspective. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-77672-4.
Turnbull, Colin (1987). The Forest People. Touchstone. ISBN 978-0671640996.
[edit]External links

Nature's Secret Larder - Wild Foods & Hunting Tools.
A wiki dedicated to the scientific study of the diversity of foraging societies without recreating myths
Balmer, Yves (2003–2009). "Ethnological videos clips. Living or recently extinct traditional tribal groups and their origins". Andaman Association.



There are some sources, as per the article.

Your sources for your stance on this are...?

I've given up trying to interject reason into this discussion, I'm just trying to figure out where all these conclusions based on misinformation are coming from.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Poor Neo. Sadness for the reactionary wack. Pwnd earlier by me. Pwnd by JoeB (JoeB! of all people!!) Supported by koshergirl!!!

The far right wacks so amuse me.

 

[Photonic]

Poor Neo. Sadness for the reactionary wack. Pwnd earlier by me. Pwnd by JoeB (JoeB! of all people!!) Supported by koshergirl!!!

The far right wacks so amuse me.

That's not very nice.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I'll drink to most of that.

I disagree that Sanger was the monster you guys try to make her out to be. Or really trying to tie her into the abortion thing, because she didn't advocate abortion, she advocated contraception, which today, everyone accepts as a sensible practice.

Fair enough
we agree to disagree

But I do hold you responsible for getting Jake so excited about
your oneupmanship on me with the photo

Now he is going to be sending me email all day
and posting on my wall
(it is tough having such a "devoted" flunky)


I just hope he didn't ruin a good pair of pants

i feel kind of bad for him. I don't think the man has any friends. I'm close to putting him on ignore so I don't have to read his drivel.

I find Jake sort of amusing
though his constant stalking, emailing and spamming of me is kind
of bizarre.

To be fair, some of his ideas are so extreme, it must go with the "territory"

 

[jillian]

I'm sure you mean that the lifespan is theorized to be around 21-25 for humans, prior to agriculture.

But we really don't know much about that period. In fact, close to nothing.

well, hon, perhaps people who try to show there's some "link" between naziism and reproductive choice don't know much, but scientists do. and there's a lot of very good information available.

the only problem is you have to be willing to avail yourself of it.

 

[JoeB131]

PS, I see nothing that makes an estimate of lifespan.

So tell me, is it your MO just to spout nonsense and try to pass it off as "science" or is this a special occasion?

Your statement was that there were few ancient humans. (and, yes, I count species other than Homo Sapiens. I've discovered this new species called Homo Funditardus" It justifies its hate using crappy old books of bullshit.) That article shows that there are plenty.

We know a lot about ancient man, including that he didn't have a long lifespan.