Question for my conservative friends here.

Except, we are not talking about clowns at a circus, we are talking about Hillary Clinton.

The documents or emails, were subpoenaed. Instead of complying with a subpoena Hillary Clinton destroyed the emails. The fact that she destroyed emails does not change the fact that she committed a crime by not obeying a subpoena.
Let's stop at that last sentence.

Trump also didn't obey a subpoena.

The difference at this point is that it's too late to charge Hillary (Trumps DOJ failed to do that in time) while the current DOJ is making the charge within the statute of limitations.
 
Let's stop at that last sentence.

Trump also didn't obey a subpoena.

The difference at this point is that it's too late to charge Hillary (Trumps DOJ failed to do that in time) while the current DOJ is making the charge within the statute of limitations.
which subpoena did Trump not obey?

Hillary was not the president, hence she never had a right to documents. So, moot point.
 
If Trump is found guilty in the documents case with Cannon presiding, will you agree the government proved its case and Trump deserves the punishment meted out?

Before the obvious question is asked, yes I will believe the government did not prove its case if he is acquitted with Cannon presiding..
Trump is not a Conservative.
 
The PRA allows President Trump to physically possess the documents.

The Espionage does not apply at all. President Trump did not commit Espionage.
The PRA does no such thing. You've been swallowing Trumps kool-aid that the PRA in any way applies to records retention by an ex-president.

The PRA clearly grants "legal possession" to the National Archives.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Only the entity with "legal possession" can decide where or who has "physical possession". And the National Archives has always retained physical possession, even when they reside in a presidential library.

The Presidential Library system is composed of fourteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries, in the National Archives and Records Administration.

This law vested the ownership and administration of Presidential records with the United States Government through NARA. This law applies to the core holdings of Presidential Libraries starting with the records from the administration of Ronald Reagan
 
Let's stop at that last sentence.

Trump also didn't obey a subpoena.
Name one, turd.

The difference at this point is that it's too late to charge Hillary (Trumps DOJ failed to do that in time) while the current DOJ is making the charge within the statute of limitations.
So now your argument is that it's too late. You change your argument every time you post.
 
we would have to have access to the documents the grand jury keeps in order to answer that question.

Has anybody posted the grand jury documents? No, they have not posted any documents from the grand jury.
They have also not posted any TS/SCI documents, because they too would be illegal to publicly disclose.

Duh !!!!
 
The PRA does no such thing. You've been swallowing Trumps kool-aid that the PRA in any way applies to records retention by an ex-president.

The PRA clearly grants "legal possession" to the National Archives.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Only the entity with "legal possession" can decide where or who has "physical possession". And the National Archives has always retained physical possession, even when they reside in a presidential library.

The Presidential Library system is composed of fourteen Presidential Libraries. These facilities are overseen by the Office of Presidential Libraries, in the National Archives and Records Administration.

This law vested the ownership and administration of Presidential records with the United States Government through NARA. This law applies to the core holdings of Presidential Libraries starting with the records from the administration of Ronald Reagan
Legal Custody is not physical custody. The National Archives retains legal custody of presidential documents, even when they do not have physical custody.
 
So now your argument is that it's too late. You change your argument every time you post.
I'm pointing out that accusing Hillary of not obeying a subpoena is a moot point. She can never be charged, so that under the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" that charge can never be legally proven.
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Legal Custody is not physical custody. The National Archives retains legal custody of presidential documents, even when they do not have physical custody.
But the National Archives did not grant physical custody to Donald Trump.
They retained physical custody, and issued a subpoena to enforce physical custody.
 
so how do you argue what is in those documents?
Because the grant jury issued an indictment based on those documents, and under color of law determined legal sufficiency based on those documents.

No different than when a jury determines someones guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the testimony of witnesses. We don't need a transcript of the witnesses testimony to determine they gave sufficient evidence of guilt
 
Here is a summary of The Espionage Act:

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm the United States,

Based on that description, my answer is no. Furthermore, as I've been saying the DOJ and FBI have proven over the last 7 years they are compromised and corrupted institutions. Until they indict Biden for selling out America for millions in bribes, the DOJ has zero credibility.
 
Until they indict Biden for selling out America for millions in bribes, the DOJ has zero credibility.
Interesting that you want to prosecute someone based solely on hearsay evidence.

Or guilt by association.

Is that about right?
 

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