Question from a non-American. Do you guys really hate each other?

[sealybobo]

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

The top 20% income earners pay 88% of the Federal Income Taxes, so we already have an extremely top heavy tax structure where the high income earners are paying not only the largest amounts, but the largest percentage as well.

Buffett said he pays about 16 percent in income taxes, while any employee making between $100,000 and $200,000 typically pays about 20 percent in taxes. We rate this claim True. Says Warren Buffett has publicly said his secretary "should not be paying a higher tax rate" than him.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

You said a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else. I'm assuming you were talking about our progressive tax system? Yea, Lincoln started that. So you must think he's a leftist.

Isn't it weird when your talking points get blown up?

The fact is the people who ran the country back then aren't nearly as greedy as Republicans are today. Today Lincoln would be a liberal/progressive/leftist or rino.

what did lincoln spend the money on???

I don't know you tell me.

 

[Pilot1]

Buffett said he pays about 16 percent in income taxes, while any employee making between $100,000 and $200,000 typically pays about 20 percent in taxes. We rate this claim True. Says Warren Buffett has publicly said his secretary "should not be paying a higher tax rate" than him.

I doubt Buffet even knows his actual EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. He is mixing corporate, personal and everything else which the average wage earner can not do. The bottom line is the top 20% pay 88% of the Federal Income Tax. So that includes households making over $200 - $250K per year and up. They are the one getting SOAKED.

 

[sealybobo]

• Oct. 10, 2016

Donald J. Trump explicitly acknowledged for the first time during Sunday’s debate that he used a $916 million loss that he reported on his 1995 income tax returns to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years.

Previously he had declined to comment on the documents, issuing a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.

This bullshit. My dad lost $50K on a condo. When one day he goes to sell his home and he makes $50K on it, he will not get to "write off" the $50K he lost but he will have to pay taxes on his gains. Trump and the rich get to do shit you poor folk have no idea about.

In fact this is just one way the rich don't pay taxes. Trump also used his Foundation to avoid paying taxes. He's even being sued over it.

As it closes, Trump Foundation accused of 'shocking' illegalities

 

[Yarddog]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

most of the hate is just from the radical ends of spectrums. The problem is Politicians catch wind of these sentiments and try to exploit it. The News medias that support government positions also try to exploit these sentiments because it makes great news. Small events can be made to apear much larger.. the hate much greater.
When you see this day in and day out it begins to affect the psyche. I think most Americans are just tired of it.
I dont hate anybody but i can only speak for myself.

 

[sealybobo]

Buffett said he pays about 16 percent in income taxes, while any employee making between $100,000 and $200,000 typically pays about 20 percent in taxes. We rate this claim True. Says Warren Buffett has publicly said his secretary "should not be paying a higher tax rate" than him.

I doubt Buffet even knows his actual EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. He is mixing corporate, personal and everything else which the average wage earner can not do. The bottom line is the top 20% pay 88% of the Federal Income Tax. So that includes households making over $200 - $250K per year and up. They are the one getting SOAKED.

They make 88% of the money. Of course they pay 88% of the taxes.

Yes the people who aren't really rich but make "a lot" are the ones getting soaked the most. I made almost 100K and I can't wait to see how much I am going to pay in taxes. I'll let you know.

 

[sealybobo]

Buffett said he pays about 16 percent in income taxes, while any employee making between $100,000 and $200,000 typically pays about 20 percent in taxes. We rate this claim True. Says Warren Buffett has publicly said his secretary "should not be paying a higher tax rate" than him.

I doubt Buffet even knows his actual EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. He is mixing corporate, personal and everything else which the average wage earner can not do. The bottom line is the top 20% pay 88% of the Federal Income Tax. So that includes households making over $200 - $250K per year and up. They are the one getting SOAKED.

You doubt Buffett knows? Wow. You know but he doesn't know?

Warren must be another leftist like Lincoln. A rich guy who thinks you can take his money and give it to someone else.

 

[Pilot1]

Yes the people who aren't really rich but make "a lot" are the ones getting soaked the most. I made almost 100K and I can't wait to see how much I am going to pay in taxes. I'll let you know.

I'm not bragging, but I've paid more than that in total taxes in the past. It is ridiculous what people pay. The billionaires can take advantages of many tax shelters unlike the person that just earns a very good salary.

 

[sealybobo]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

most of the hate is just from the radical ends of spectrums. The problem is Politicians catch wind of these sentiments and try to exploit it. The News medias that support government positions also try to exploit these sentiments because it makes great news. Small events can be made to apear much larger.. the hate much greater.
When you see this day in and day out it begins to affect the psyche. I think most Americans are just tired of it.
I dont hate anybody but i can only speak for myself.

The radical right is who got Trump elected. Neither Hillary or Obama are radical left although Republicans will tell you they are. Then in the next breath tell you they are no different than Republicans. The party for the rich. Corporate Democrats. Well which is it?

 

[francoHFW]

My smartphone has lost it. later...
For a progressive you sure do believe pile of GOP propaganda. LOL. The GOP has been cutting taxes on the rich and opportunity for the rest for 35 years, and you blame the victims. Brainwashed and stupid.

when did I blame victims???

and I hunt progressives,,,

and they cut taxs on everyone not just the rich, which is always a good thing for the people to keep what they earned ,,,the problem is they never cut spending

Trump's tax cuts were 83% for the bloated rich and giant corporations, and are permanent for them but temporary for the Non rich. You are highly misinformed. At this point we have a flat tax system and the rich are getting all the new wealth and laughing all the way to the bank. The middle class and the country have been falling apart since Reagan. We now have the worst inequality and upward mobility in the world. Giving the rich tax cuts at this point is absolutely ridiculous. And you are duped and fos.

CORRECT ME IF i'M WRONG,,,BUT WASNT IT THE HOUSE THAT WROTE THAT TAX CUT???not trump,,,he just signed it

you rant about equality but want a smal group to pay more,,,WTF???


and I never got a job from a poor man,


taxs are intended to pay the debts of the government and not for redistribution,,,thats socialism

The greedy idiot GOP rich have been redistributing the wealth to themselves for 35 years, dumbass. And it just keeps getting worse. Since the GOP passed today's reconciliation and filibuster rules, the system is rigged. The GOP only needs 51 votes in the Senate to pass tax cuts for the rich and Cuts cuts in services for the rest, and the Democrats need 60 votes to pass reform. Nothing is going to change until Democrats get 60 votes for 4 years.

why do you leave out that a majority of the democrats enter office poor and by the time they leave are rich from insider trading??? and most repubes leave at or about the same as when they entered???
not to mention all the mega donors to the democrat party which far outpaces the GOP donors


I'm no fan of repubes and refuse to vote for them but what you claim is just not true


and I will refrain from name calling at this point because its just childish

What do you believe all that garbage GOP propaganda John, you are a dupe. The GOP is the swamp. The Democrats you are talking about write books and give speeches. The Republicans leave Congress and become lobbyists and corrupt corporate board members and vice a versa, the revolving door. And you still say you are a progressive? Absolutely ridiculous.

That's all of us. There's nothing else besides the lower to upper class.

You don't make any sense. I'm a liberal and you are just sounding stupid. Probably you're a libertarian or something. Some kind of spinoff of a bad idea.

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

And you are brainwashed dingbat.count all taxes and everyone pays between 20 and 30% of income. And the rich get all the new wealth. The federal income tax the only progressive tax and the basis for all GOP propaganda about taxes, super duper.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.991ec4e6ab6d&ved=2ahUKEwi75ra0ieTfAhWRct8KHfugC7oQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1X02DQRlAY-wGLvC86rLgE
Read that link and the other one and you will be a real Democrat and understand that you are full of GOP BS propaganda. It is all they have.

 

[progressive hunter]

when did I blame victims???

and I hunt progressives,,,

and they cut taxs on everyone not just the rich, which is always a good thing for the people to keep what they earned ,,,the problem is they never cut spending

Trump's tax cuts were 83% for the bloated rich and giant corporations, and are permanent for them but temporary for the Non rich. You are highly misinformed. At this point we have a flat tax system and the rich are getting all the new wealth and laughing all the way to the bank. The middle class and the country have been falling apart since Reagan. We now have the worst inequality and upward mobility in the world. Giving the rich tax cuts at this point is absolutely ridiculous. And you are duped and fos.

CORRECT ME IF i'M WRONG,,,BUT WASNT IT THE HOUSE THAT WROTE THAT TAX CUT???not trump,,,he just signed it

you rant about equality but want a smal group to pay more,,,WTF???


and I never got a job from a poor man,


taxs are intended to pay the debts of the government and not for redistribution,,,thats socialism

The greedy idiot GOP rich have been redistributing the wealth to themselves for 35 years, dumbass. And it just keeps getting worse. Since the GOP passed today's reconciliation and filibuster rules, the system is rigged. The GOP only needs 51 votes in the Senate to pass tax cuts for the rich and Cuts cuts in services for the rest, and the Democrats need 60 votes to pass reform. Nothing is going to change until Democrats get 60 votes for 4 years.

why do you leave out that a majority of the democrats enter office poor and by the time they leave are rich from insider trading??? and most repubes leave at or about the same as when they entered???
not to mention all the mega donors to the democrat party which far outpaces the GOP donors


I'm no fan of repubes and refuse to vote for them but what you claim is just not true


and I will refrain from name calling at this point because its just childish

What do you believe all that garbage GOP propaganda John, you are a dupe. The GOP is the swamp. The Democrats you are talking about write books and give speeches. The Republicans leave Congress and become lobbyists and corrupt corporate board members and vice a versa, the revolving door. And you still say you are a progressive? Absolutely ridiculous.

actually liberal and libertarian are supposed to be the same thing,,,you are probably a leftist with liberal tendencys

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

And you are brainwashed dingbat.count all taxes and everyone pays between 20 and 30% of income. And the rich get all the new wealth. The federal income tax is all we're only progressive tax and the basis for all GOP propaganda about taxes, super duper.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.991ec4e6ab6d&ved=2ahUKEwi75ra0ieTfAhWRct8KHfugC7oQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1X02DQRlAY-wGLvC86rLgE
Read that link and the other one and you will be a real Democrat and understand that you are full of GOP BS propaganda. It is all they have.

OOOOO they write books and give speechs,,,OOOOO I'm so impressed

hitler wrote books and gave speechs you inbred fuck,,,

why did you leave out the poor get all their money back and then some when they have their bastard children

the poor pay nothing and the highest earner pay the majority while the ones in the middle pay a ;little bit,,,OF THE PIE


its time everyone pay their fair share and stop being a burden to humanity


inbreeding is illegal for a reason

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

most of the hate is just from the radical ends of spectrums. The problem is Politicians catch wind of these sentiments and try to exploit it. The News medias that support government positions also try to exploit these sentiments because it makes great news. Small events can be made to apear much larger.. the hate much greater.
When you see this day in and day out it begins to affect the psyche. I think most Americans are just tired of it.
I dont hate anybody but i can only speak for myself.

The radical right is who got Trump elected. Neither Hillary or Obama are radical left although Republicans will tell you they are. Then in the next breath tell you they are no different than Republicans. The party for the rich. Corporate Democrats. Well which is it?

noooo it was hilary that got trump elected,,,if she wasnt such a POS corrupt pig then she might have got a few more votes,,,,trump didnt win by that much if you look at a few states where it would have made a difference

just so you know I didnt vote for either of them

 

[Pilot1]

Our government incentivizes the poor to stay POOR, then pays them more for having multiple children by multiple different fathers, who rarely stay in the picture.. They like having a dependent class to control for generations. It gives politicians power, and the ability to extort votes. It gives government bureaucracy power as it is ever growing and expanding personnel.

 

[progressive hunter]

Buffett said he pays about 16 percent in income taxes, while any employee making between $100,000 and $200,000 typically pays about 20 percent in taxes. We rate this claim True. Says Warren Buffett has publicly said his secretary "should not be paying a higher tax rate" than him.

I doubt Buffet even knows his actual EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. He is mixing corporate, personal and everything else which the average wage earner can not do. The bottom line is the top 20% pay 88% of the Federal Income Tax. So that includes households making over $200 - $250K per year and up. They are the one getting SOAKED.

You doubt Buffett knows? Wow. You know but he doesn't know?

Warren must be another leftist like Lincoln. A rich guy who thinks you can take his money and give it to someone else.

buffet lied,,,he isnt paying income taxs he is paying some type of investmate taxs which is at a different rate

and if he cared he would just pay more

 

[Pilot1]

buffet lied,,,he isnt paying income taxs he is paying some type of investmate taxs which is at a different rate

and if he cared he would just pay more

Liberals know they can voluntarily pay more taxes if they want, but are too hypocritical to do so. They want to spend YOUR money. Buffet doesn't have to take advantage of every tax law on the books. He can choose to pay as much as he wants. Why doesn't he? It doesn't fit his narrative of higher, and higher tax rates for all productive people.

 

[progressive hunter]

• Oct. 10, 2016

Donald J. Trump explicitly acknowledged for the first time during Sunday’s debate that he used a $916 million loss that he reported on his 1995 income tax returns to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years.

Previously he had declined to comment on the documents, issuing a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.

This bullshit. My dad lost $50K on a condo. When one day he goes to sell his home and he makes $50K on it, he will not get to "write off" the $50K he lost but he will have to pay taxes on his gains. Trump and the rich get to do shit you poor folk have no idea about.

In fact this is just one way the rich don't pay taxes. Trump also used his Foundation to avoid paying taxes. He's even being sued over it.

As it closes, Trump Foundation accused of 'shocking' illegalities

I still wish I was rich instead of poor,,,guess I'll keep trying cause on welfare that will never happen


although I dont like tax breaks as a general rule,,,just set the scale and let it ride,,,

but except for george soros and a few others no rich person got rich by stealing from the poor,,,and tax breaks are not stealing from the poor , but keeping the money they earned

 

[progressive hunter]

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

You said a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else. I'm assuming you were talking about our progressive tax system? Yea, Lincoln started that. So you must think he's a leftist.

Isn't it weird when your talking points get blown up?

The fact is the people who ran the country back then aren't nearly as greedy as Republicans are today. Today Lincoln would be a liberal/progressive/leftist or rino.

what did lincoln spend the money on???

I don't know you tell me.

you brought it up,,,I was specific in my claim so the least you could do is put up or shut up

 

[francoHFW]

Trump's tax cuts were 83% for the bloated rich and giant corporations, and are permanent for them but temporary for the Non rich. You are highly misinformed. At this point we have a flat tax system and the rich are getting all the new wealth and laughing all the way to the bank. The middle class and the country have been falling apart since Reagan. We now have the worst inequality and upward mobility in the world. Giving the rich tax cuts at this point is absolutely ridiculous. And you are duped and fos.

CORRECT ME IF i'M WRONG,,,BUT WASNT IT THE HOUSE THAT WROTE THAT TAX CUT???not trump,,,he just signed it

you rant about equality but want a smal group to pay more,,,WTF???


and I never got a job from a poor man,


taxs are intended to pay the debts of the government and not for redistribution,,,thats socialism

The greedy idiot GOP rich have been redistributing the wealth to themselves for 35 years, dumbass. And it just keeps getting worse. Since the GOP passed today's reconciliation and filibuster rules, the system is rigged. The GOP only needs 51 votes in the Senate to pass tax cuts for the rich and Cuts cuts in services for the rest, and the Democrats need 60 votes to pass reform. Nothing is going to change until Democrats get 60 votes for 4 years.

why do you leave out that a majority of the democrats enter office poor and by the time they leave are rich from insider trading??? and most repubes leave at or about the same as when they entered???
not to mention all the mega donors to the democrat party which far outpaces the GOP donors


I'm no fan of repubes and refuse to vote for them but what you claim is just not true


and I will refrain from name calling at this point because its just childish

What do you believe all that garbage GOP propaganda John, you are a dupe. The GOP is the swamp. The Democrats you are talking about write books and give speeches. The Republicans leave Congress and become lobbyists and corrupt corporate board members and vice a versa, the revolving door. And you still say you are a progressive? Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't know. Actually my friends occasionally say, "you're not a liberal" because they catch me making Republican arguments.

But I find myself agreeing with the Democatic position 95% of the time. And even when I agree with the Republicans I don't like it because I suspect alterior motives always.

What's the diff between a lefty and liberal? What would they disagree on?

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

And you are brainwashed dingbat.count all taxes and everyone pays between 20 and 30% of income. And the rich get all the new wealth. The federal income tax is all we're only progressive tax and the basis for all GOP propaganda about taxes, super duper.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.991ec4e6ab6d&ved=2ahUKEwi75ra0ieTfAhWRct8KHfugC7oQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1X02DQRlAY-wGLvC86rLgE
Read that link and the other one and you will be a real Democrat and understand that you are full of GOP BS propaganda. It is all they have.

OOOOO they write books and give speechs,,,OOOOO I'm so impressed

hitler wrote books and gave speechs you inbred fuck,,,

why did you leave out the poor get all their money back and then some when they have their bastard children

the poor pay nothing and the highest earner pay the majority while the ones in the middle pay a ;little bit,,,OF THE PIE


its time everyone pay their fair share and stop being a burden to humanity
Read the link look at the graph, and stop being a brainwashed functional moron oh.

inbreeding is illegal for a reason

Read the links study the graph oh, and stop being a brainwashed functional moron. The Democrats want to tax the rich more and cut taxes on the restbecause it is obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed that that is the answer. The GOP giveaway to the rich and its garbage propaganda machine have to be stopped.
The poor don't pay any taxes? You are out of your mind. Look at the graph stupid.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1X02DQRlAY-wGLvC86rLgE

 

[progressive hunter]

CORRECT ME IF i'M WRONG,,,BUT WASNT IT THE HOUSE THAT WROTE THAT TAX CUT???not trump,,,he just signed it

you rant about equality but want a smal group to pay more,,,WTF???


and I never got a job from a poor man,


taxs are intended to pay the debts of the government and not for redistribution,,,thats socialism

The greedy idiot GOP rich have been redistributing the wealth to themselves for 35 years, dumbass. And it just keeps getting worse. Since the GOP passed today's reconciliation and filibuster rules, the system is rigged. The GOP only needs 51 votes in the Senate to pass tax cuts for the rich and Cuts cuts in services for the rest, and the Democrats need 60 votes to pass reform. Nothing is going to change until Democrats get 60 votes for 4 years.

why do you leave out that a majority of the democrats enter office poor and by the time they leave are rich from insider trading??? and most repubes leave at or about the same as when they entered???
not to mention all the mega donors to the democrat party which far outpaces the GOP donors


I'm no fan of repubes and refuse to vote for them but what you claim is just not true


and I will refrain from name calling at this point because its just childish

What do you believe all that garbage GOP propaganda John, you are a dupe. The GOP is the swamp. The Democrats you are talking about write books and give speeches. The Republicans leave Congress and become lobbyists and corrupt corporate board members and vice a versa, the revolving door. And you still say you are a progressive? Absolutely ridiculous.

a liberal believes in total freedom while a leftist thinks he can take your money and give it to someone else and freedom of speech is subjective

ben shapiro states it best

So Abraham Lincoln was a leftist?

In the United States, the first progressive income tax was established by the Revenue Act of 1862. The act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, and replaced the Revenue Act of 1861, which had imposed a flat income tax of 3% on incomes above $800.

A progressive tax is a tax that imposes a lower tax rate on low-income earners compared to those with a higher income, making it based on the taxpayer's ability to pay. That means it takes a larger percentage from high-income earners than it does from low-income individuals.

but the lower incomers pay nothing while the higher pay all of it,,,

not very fair or equal if you ask me


and when did I call lincoln a leftist??? what was the money for???

And you are brainwashed dingbat.count all taxes and everyone pays between 20 and 30% of income. And the rich get all the new wealth. The federal income tax is all we're only progressive tax and the basis for all GOP propaganda about taxes, super duper.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.991ec4e6ab6d&ved=2ahUKEwi75ra0ieTfAhWRct8KHfugC7oQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1X02DQRlAY-wGLvC86rLgE
Read that link and the other one and you will be a real Democrat and understand that you are full of GOP BS propaganda. It is all they have.

OOOOO they write books and give speechs,,,OOOOO I'm so impressed

hitler wrote books and gave speechs you inbred fuck,,,

why did you leave out the poor get all their money back and then some when they have their bastard children

the poor pay nothing and the highest earner pay the majority while the ones in the middle pay a ;little bit,,,OF THE PIE


its time everyone pay their fair share and stop being a burden to humanity
Read the link look at the graph, and stop being a brainwashed functional moron oh.

inbreeding is illegal for a reason

Read the links study the graph oh, and stop being a brainwashed functional moron. The Democrats want to tax the rich more and cut taxes on the restbecause it is obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed that that is the answer. The GOP giveaway to the rich and its garbage propaganda machine have to be stopped.

but I thought democrats were for equality???

all you kool=aid drinkers are doing is proving that both parties are to corrupt to be allowed to continue,,,

its time they are declared terrorist groups and banned from the country and reinstate the constitution in its original form and start over

 

[Pilot1]

Read the links study the graph oh, and stop being a brainwashed functional moron. The Democrats want to tax the rich more and cut taxes on the restbecause it is obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed that that is the answer. The GOP giveaway to the rich and its garbage propaganda machine have to be stopped.

We already tax the rich more. They pay 88% of Fed Income Tax. You obviously have never studied economics because at some point if you tax the productive TOO MUCH they go elsewhere, and it acts as a disincentive on investment, risk taking, expansion and JOB CREATION. It is an economy killer. We have a booming, growing economy now with Record Federal Income Tax REVENUE.