Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[irosie91]

The third temple failed because of fire and earthquake sometime in the third century.

unfortunate-----give it time

 

[Meriweather]

1) He said he was not here to change Jewish law. So he obviously was not intending to start an entirely new religion.

Have you considered that perhaps the Scribes and lawmakers began a "new religion" when they began fiddling with the Ten Commandments? There are no laws in the Ten Commandments, those came later.

An early Christian summed it up by noting when we love God first (always) we can do as we like. Because...when we put love of God first and foremost, everything else falls into place. When we love God with our whole heart, our whole soul, our whole being, everything else springs from that love.

We see in the Gospels, Jesus had trouble, not with loving God and doing the will of God (he laid down his life for that), but with with Scribal Law...the counting of seeds, how far to walk on the Sabbath, how many letters that can be legally written and still be within the Law.

We see, absolutely, Jesus came to change how the Law was being practiced, the burden that the law was placing on people, especially the poor. Love of God, love of one's fellow man was his theme. Yes. Absolutely, that is the theme of Judaism, but the Law Scribes were adding to "Love God" were muddying the waters.

 

[Meriweather]

2) How could any “good” Jew want to abolish Judaism?

How could a good Jew not go back to the roots and teach understanding?

 

[surada]

Have you considered that perhaps the Scribes and lawmakers began a "new religion" when they began fiddling with the Ten Commandments? There are no laws in the Ten Commandments, those came later.

An early Christian summed it up by noting when we love God first (always) we can do as we like. Because...when we put love of God first and foremost, everything else falls into place. When we love God with our whole heart, our whole soul, our whole being, everything else springs from that love.

We see in the Gospels, Jesus had trouble, not with loving God and doing the will of God (he laid down his life for that), but with with Scribal Law...the counting of seeds, how far to walk on the Sabbath, how many letters that can be legally written and still be within the Law.

We see, absolutely, Jesus came to change how the Law was being practiced, the burden that the law was placing on people, especially the poor. Love of God, love of one's fellow man was his theme. Yes. Absolutely, that is the theme of Judaism, but the Law Scribes were adding to "Love God" were muddying the waters.

The scribes also turned against Solomon.

 

[theHawk]

That’s only your opinion, and it’s quite narrow-minded. You must think we have an awful Gd if you believe he will punish the majority of people living with a bad afterlife. (Most people are NOT Christians.)

I believe Gd will reward good people, Jew and Gentile alike. As long as you live a good life, which is what HaShem wants of all of us.

Anything is possible with God. But only if those people truly live lives that show they love God and act accordingly.

We know Jesus said that only through him can one have everlasting life. Pretty risky to try to take any other route.

 

[theHawk]

That is what you believe, but you are wrong.

Perhaps. But when I see what Jews and Muslims are doing, it’s pretty obvious they believe in lies.

 

[Lisa558]

Anything is possible with God. But only if those people truly live lives that show they love God and act accordingly.

We know Jesus said that only through him can one have everlasting life. Pretty risky to try to take any other route.

I’m taking the route established by Gd. Not risky at all.

 

[Lisa558]

Perhaps. But when I see what Jews and Muslims are doing, it’s pretty obvious they believe in lies.

And Christians don’t? Only YOUR religion believes in the truth? What about Hindus? or Buddhists?

And what exactly are Jews and Muslims doing? I can’t speak for Muslims, but Jews I know work hard, care for their families, give to charity as commanded, pay taxes, contribute to society, and with rare exception follow the law.

 

[theHawk]

I’m taking the route established by Gd. Not risky at all.

The route established by God lead to Jesus.

 

[Lisa558]

The route established by God lead to Jesus.

That’s your opinion. Different religions have different opinions, and MOST people disagree with you. It’s obnoxious to keep insisting that your way is the only correct way, and that any dissenters are just wrong. You sound like a Democrat.

 

[theHawk]

And Christians don’t? Only YOUR religion believes in the truth? What about Hindus? or Buddhists?

And what exactly are Jews and Muslims doing? I can’t speak for Muslims, but Jews I know work hard, care for their families, give to charity as commanded, pay taxes, contribute to society, and with rare exception follow the law.

Certainly plenty of Christians believe in lies and give into sin. Which is why they need to believe in Jesus to save them.

Muslims are actually pretty devout, unfortunately they worship a false god, a pagan god named Allah.

I don’t know where you know all these wonderful and devout Jews, I have never met any. Most Jews I know are fake Jews, as described in the Bible. They aren’t even religious, seem more like atheists, yet have a superiority complex in that they believe they are the chosen people. Look at all the so-called Jews that run the media, Hollywood, porn industry, banks, medical industry and many other corporations. They really do seem like they are of the “synagogues of Satan.”

 

[surada]

Perhaps. But when I see what Jews and Muslims are doing, it’s pretty obvious they believe in lies.

There's a certain rational in their beliefs.

 

[theHawk]

That’s your opinion. Different religions have different opinions, and MOST people disagree with you. It’s obnoxious to keep insisting that your way is the only correct way, and that any dissenters are just wrong. You sound like a Democrat.

No, it‘s a belief. Of course different religions have different opinions and beliefs.

You lambast me for insisting my way is the only correct way, while at the same time telling me belief in Jesus is the wrong way. So wouldn’t that make you just as “obnoxious”?

 

[surada]

Certainly plenty of Christians believe in lies and give into sin. Which is why they need to believe in Jesus to save them.

Muslims are actually pretty devout, unfortunately they worship a false god, a pagan god named Allah.

I don’t know where you know all these wonderful and devout Jews, I have never met any. Most Jews I know are fake Jews, as described in the Bible. They aren’t even religious, seem more like atheists, yet have a superiority complex in that they believe they are the chosen people. Look at all the so-called Jews that run the media, Hollywood, porn industry, banks, medical industry and many other corporations. They really do seem like they are of the “synagogues of Satan.”

Allah is God in Arabic.. like Gott in German or Dio. Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And Christians don’t? Only YOUR religion believes in the truth? What about Hindus? or Buddhists?

You're sounding like a liberal
.if there is a God things are either true or false, right or wrong

Jesus said, No man can come to the Father except through me.

He was either lying or telling the truth.

That's for you to figure out

 

[theHawk]

Allah is God in Arabic.. like Gott in German or Dio. Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[Lisa558]

Certainly plenty of Christians believe in lies and give into sin. Which is why they need to believe in Jesus to save them.

Muslims are actually pretty devout, unfortunately they worship a false god, a pagan god named Allah.

I don’t know where you know all these wonderful and devout Jews, I have never met any. Most Jews I know are fake Jews, as described in the Bible. They aren’t even religious, seem more like atheists, yet have a superiority complex in that they believe they are the chosen people. Look at all the so-called Jews that run the media, Hollywood, porn industry, banks, medical industry and many other corporations. They really do seem like they are of the “synagogues of Satan.”

1) I belong to an Orthodox shul, and they are far from “fake Jews”.

2) Your comment about ”so-called Jews” and how they run the media, Hollywood, porn, etc., is antisemitic trope - and your final slap in the face about “synagogues of Satan” (which you got from the New Testament) shows how the NT drives antisemitism. Every Jew already knows this, but thanks for showing it so blatantly.

 

[Lisa558]

No, it‘s a belief. Of course different religions have different opinions and beliefs.

You lambast me for insisting my way is the only correct way, while at the same time telling me belief in Jesus is the wrong way. So wouldn’t that make you just as “obnoxious”?

I’m not telling you that your way will keep you out of Heaven, which is what you’re saying to the people who don’t believe as you do.

 

[theHawk]

2) Your comment about ”so-called Jews” and how they run the media, Hollywood, porn, etc., is antisemitic trope - and your final slap in the face about “synagogues of Satan” (which you got from the New Testament) shows how the NT drives antisemitism. Every Jew already knows this, but thanks for showing it so blatantly

It is not a “trope”, it’s the truth and you know it. It would only be considered “anti-Semitic” if it were actually Jews running those industries. Do you deny that Jews run these industries? Or do you agree they are fake Jews?

And yes, “synagogues of Satan” is from the NT, because it warns us of what will happen, and is happening now.

 

[USAF 2023]

Jews today must atone for their own sins rather than pass them off on someone else. What’s the point of digging up ancient Jewish rituals, other than to make the Jewish religion look bad?

The way Jews atone for their sins is to ask forgiveness of those they have sinned against (or of Gd if the sin was against Him), to feel remorse, to vow to never do it again, and to make it up somehow by doing a related act of tzedekah.

Much better than simply thinking someone else “takes away” your sins, and all you have to do is to believe it.

Even if they did kill “ Jesus “ so what? Wasn’t that the reason G-D sent his ONLY son down to die for our sins? “ Christians “ should be thanking us