Rapture anyday now!

[Chuckt]

So your idiotic statement that the Bible was FORBIDDEN ( sic!!!) to read by Catholics and Orthodox is simply a LIE.

You haven't read.

1. THE COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE (1229) AND THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA (1234) FORBADE THE LAITY TO POSSESS OR READ THE VERNACULAR TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE. NO EXCEPTIONS WERE MENTIONED.

The Council of Toulouse used these words: "We prohibit the permission of the books of the Old and New Testament to laymen, except perhaps they might desire to have the Psalter, or some Breviary for the divine service, or the Hours of the blessed Virgin Mary, for devotion; expressly forbidding their having the other parts of the Bible translated into the vulgar tongue" (Allix, Ecclesiastical History, II, p. 213). The declarations of these Councils held power for centuries thereafter.

Did Rome Forbid Vernacular Versions?

It indirectly began to break down the power structures of the political-religious machinery of the Roman Catholic church. Lay folks did not need to rely on the priests to access God. And they could know his will and even challenge their spiritual leaders. It is no wonder that by 1408 even reading the Bible in English was outlawed.13 People owned a copy at risk of liberty and life. So powerful was Wycliffe’s influence in fact that in 1415 the Pope decreed that his bones should be dug up, burned, and the ashes scattered on the River Swift.14

13 Known as the Constitutions of Oxford. See Bruce, History, 20-23

I think I have this book.

Part I: From Wycliffe to King James (The Period of Challenge)

https://bible.org/seriespage/part-i-wycliffe-king-james-period-challenge#_ftn13

 

[The Irish Ram]

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

This is a completely different acton than His second coming on earth. In this event we go to Christ who is in the air. We go up. At the other event there is no shouting before His arrival. He comes down to the elect left here on earth. His foot touches down on the Mt. of Olives and causes the fault line under that mountain to split apart.

No, Irish, you are wrong.

That is EXACTLY the Second Coming. And the Last Judgment which will follow. You are missing the key point there - "and the dead will arise" - and that can happen ONLY for the Final Judgment.

Only AFTER that we can be "caught in air" or whatever - that does not matter as it is going to be AFTER the Final Judgment.

I don't think so Vox. If you are right then we are absolutely appointed to God's wrath, which means the Bible is wrong, and God is a liar. And who are the saints that come back with Christ? If not us then who? Who are those that rule and reign with Christ during the millennium, before the White Throne Judgment?
The last Judgment is the White Throne Judgment 1,000 years after Christ's return.
Why would He call us to meet Him in the air if He's on His way to the Mt. of Olives? What would be the point? We could all just hook up under an olive tree.

The dead in Christ rise with the living. Why would the living be caught up with the dead? Why not just leave us here if He's on His way down anyway? What does caught up mean? And what does out of mean?

The bodies of the dead are resurrected to be reunited with the souls in Heaven that previously inhabited those bodies. The bodies are glorified, just as the bodies of those souls in Abraham's bosom were retrieved and glorified. We need them for ruling and reigning here on earth.

We will be standing behind Christ at the White Throne Judgment, not in front of Him.
And at that time the earth and sea will give up the dead who were not in Christ. They are the ones on the docket.
If that isn't the case, what were the beheaded saints doing in Heaven? Don't they have to stay dead until the WTJ too? And yet John saw them in heaven, alive and calling out for justice.
Where is Abraham right now in his glorified body? He didn't stay dead till the WTJ. Nor did the rest of those in Abraham's bosom.

The coming rapture isn't the first time there has been dead raised and reunited with their bodies.

The word harpazo was translated in Jerome's Vulgate as raptura in 405 A.D.
Harpazo means to carry off or snatch out or away, to transport a person from one place to another.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

After rapture day and you are left behind will you believe then??? Will you remember this post on that day??? Millions of believers will have vanished,what will you think??? What will you say??? What will you do???? Your only chance is to call out to god! Repent and confess your sins,accept jesus as your lord and savior though after the rapture the anti-christ will try to hunt you down and kill you!!! Why not wise up and be saved now????

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

Oh yeah? How do you explain the dwindling church attendance in America unless the believers who vanished are being taken up? Isn't it written in scripture that during what has come to be known as the rapture the Christian dead will be the first to rise?

And the thought of maybe just swinging by their home to see if they're still here never occured to you?

If people were being raptured up, I like to think the news would be all over it as movies like "Left Behind" depict. Planes and cars crahsing, clothes left behind, etc. ...We'd notice it.

 

[Vox]

This is a completely different acton than His second coming on earth. In this event we go to Christ who is in the air. We go up. At the other event there is no shouting before His arrival. He comes down to the elect left here on earth. His foot touches down on the Mt. of Olives and causes the fault line under that mountain to split apart.

No, Irish, you are wrong.

That is EXACTLY the Second Coming. And the Last Judgment which will follow. You are missing the key point there - "and the dead will arise" - and that can happen ONLY for the Final Judgment.

Only AFTER that we can be "caught in air" or whatever - that does not matter as it is going to be AFTER the Final Judgment.

I don't think so Vox. If you are right then we are absolutely appointed to God's wrath, which means the Bible is wrong, and God is a liar. And who are the saints that come back with Christ? If not us then who? Who are those that rule and reign with Christ during the millennium, before the White Throne Judgment?

There is NOT going to be any millennium, that's the point. Our Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF spoke about the End of Times explicitly and described the scenario - whiat will follow what - and there is NO MILLENNIUM in his description. There are tibulations to the mankind BEFORE the Last Judgement - and that's it.

The last Judgment is the White Throne Judgment 1,000 years after Christ's return.
Why would He call us to meet Him in the air if He's on His way to the Mt. of Olives? What would be the point? We could all just hook up under an olive tree.

Nope. The Last Judgement is the Final Judgement right after the SEcond Coming - as Jesus Chriost HIMSELF described.
I don't know where do you get all that Mt.Olives stuff but that is in no way even close to what Our Lord said HIMSELF.
If your scenario would be true - it means the THIRD coming to happen for the Final Judgement, and that is not what He told.

Sorry, I will stick with Our Lord's words
The dead in Christ rise with the living. Why would the living be caught up with the dead? Why not just leave us here if He's on His way down anyway? What does caught up mean? And what does out of mean?

Nothing. That is what people fantacizing about the Bible decided ~180 years ago. The person who wrote those words did not imply that there is going to be any separate event of "catching in the air" - it is obvious by the text and context he is talking about the times after Final Judgement when the ones destined for eternal happiness, as judged by Our Lord will unite with him - can be in the air - why not - as we all are going to be transformed from the eternal bodies we have now to the spiritual bodies of the eternity. Maybe the Final Judgement will take place i the air - who knows - it is not specified, but in no way it is a SEPARATE event, not connected with the Second Coming and Final Judgement.

Why do you need to put to those words what is not meant there?
The bodies of the dead are resurrected to be reunited with the souls in Heaven that previously inhabited those bodies. The bodies are glorified, just as the bodies of those souls in Abraham's bosom were retrieved and glorified. We need them for ruling and reigning here on earth.

All true but that event happens only AFTER the Final Judgement - the change of the bodies.The resurrection of the deaed happens FOR the Final Judgement and not for any other reason.
We will be standing behind Christ at the White Throne Judgment, not in front of Him.
And at that time the earth and sea will give up the dead who were not in Christ. They are the ones on the docket.
If that isn't the case, what were the beheaded saints doing in Heaven?

Of course it is NOT the case.

You mix up togethere the events, but forget the SEQUENCE of those.

The ones which have had their time of repentance already done - and were taken to Heaven BEFORE the Final Judgement - they will just remain there and greet the happy newcomers - the ones which would be ALIVE by the time of the Last Judgement and Second Coming happens, plus those which are already dead but not yet purified enough to get into Heaven - and by the Final Judgement they will be freed from whatever time of repentance for the soul remained.

There are going to be the different kind of souls reunited with their bodies for the Judgement, plus ALIVE people.
Don't they have to stay dead until the WTJ too?

No, they DO NOT.

And yet John saw them in heaven, alive and calling out for justice.
Where is Abraham right now in his glorified body? He didn't stay dead till the WTJ. Nor did the rest of those in Abraham's bosom.

The coming rapture isn't the first time there has been dead raised and reunited with their bodies.


there is no rapture to come. unless you refer for the ascention of those which are Judged to live in Heaven after the Final Judgement, already changed to their spiritual bodies.The word harpazo was translated in Jerome's Vulgate as raptura in 405 A.D.
Harpazo means to carry off or snatch out or away, to transport a person from one place to another.

nobody is going to be snatched anywhere.

The Final Judgement is going to be the Final EVENT on Earth and it is not going to be unnoticed by anybody

 

[Chuckt]

Question: "What is the Millennial Kingdom, and should it be understood literally?"

Answer: The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32-33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic Covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1-3). The Palestinian Covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1-10). The Davidic Covenant promised Israel forgiveness—the means whereby the nation could be blessed (2 Samuel 7:10-13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Revelation 20:2-7 gives the precise time period of the millennial kingdom. Even without these scriptures, there are countless others that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth. The fulfillment of many of God’s covenants and promises rests on a literal, physical, future kingdom. There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of the millennial kingdom and its duration being 1000 years.

What is the Millennial Kingdom, and should it be understood literally?

 

[Vox]

So your idiotic statement that the Bible was FORBIDDEN ( sic!!!) to read by Catholics and Orthodox is simply a LIE.

You haven't read.


Of course I DID. I read the Bible. I even happened to point out your IGNORANCE on the New TestaMENT

Do you think I am all-knowing without readiong?

"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should not be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 ADSource: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England Copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days, so that they may be burned..."- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD; 2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book By Jude Webber ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)

what does this all have to do with the people reading the Bible in Latin, in Greek or in Church Slavonic?

Are you so dumb that you do not even understand that people were reading in those languages if they were LITERATE at those times?

 

[hobelim]

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

Oh yeah? How do you explain the dwindling church attendance in America unless the believers who vanished are being taken up? Isn't it written in scripture that during what has come to be known as the rapture the Christian dead will be the first to rise?

And the thought of maybe just swinging by their home to see if they're still here never occured to you?

If people were being raptured up, I like to think the news would be all over it as movies like "Left Behind" depict. Planes and cars crahsing, clothes left behind, etc. ...We'd notice it.

I'm sorry. I was kidding on the square as they used to say in days of old. I thought it was obvious.

But to address what you said, one would also think that if Jesus was literally raising corpses from the grave everyone would have noticed and no one would have doubted his words.

The truth, the very truth is that what actually happened then exactly like what is foretold to happen during the rapture and second appearance of Christ is much more sublime. Think thief in the night......

Jesus came and revealed in words what he learned in the presence of God. One was taken, the other left behind, just means that one person understood and the other person did not and remained in ignorance and confusion.

So people leaving the church (rising from the grave) at the sound of the trumpet of God, is actually what one should look for to see signs of the rapture......the trumpet of God being a relational metaphor for a prophet, The Prophet.

It is not and never was a prophecy about people vanishing into thin air or floating up into the sky anymore than the ascension of Jesus is about floating up into the sky after he rose from the tomb, a metaphor for pharisaic beliefs and practices that Jesus himself established.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I used to believe in the rapture. I don't anymore.

 

[hobelim]

I used to believe in the rapture. I don't anymore.

The way I see that is that you have been taken and are ascending into heaven in full view of everyone here.

But I'm sure the ones who were left behind won't notice a thing.

 

[peach174]

After rapture day and you are left behind will you believe then??? Will you remember this post on that day??? Millions of believers will have vanished,what will you think??? What will you say??? What will you do???? Your only chance is to call out to god! Repent and confess your sins,accept jesus as your lord and savior though after the rapture the anti-christ will try to hunt you down and kill you!!! Why not wise up and be saved now????

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

None of the things in the bible was in place during each of those generations and that is why they were wrong.
The Gospel had not reached everyone in the World and there was no State of Israel, both of theses things has happened plus all of the other things I have listed earlier.
Each and every thing the bible says about end times is being fulfilled and coming into place.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

After rapture day and you are left behind will you believe then??? Will you remember this post on that day??? Millions of believers will have vanished,what will you think??? What will you say??? What will you do???? Your only chance is to call out to god! Repent and confess your sins,accept jesus as your lord and savior though after the rapture the anti-christ will try to hunt you down and kill you!!! Why not wise up and be saved now????

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

None of the things in the bible was in place during each of those generations and that is why they were wrong.
The Gospel had not reached everyone in the World and there was no State of Israel, both of theses things has happened plus all of the other things I have listed earlier.
Each and every thing the bible says about end times is being fulfilled and coming into place.

I agree with you that many things are falling into place but the Gospel has not been preached to the entire world yet.

 

[Vox]

Question: "What is the Millennial Kingdom, and should it be understood literally?"

Answer: The millennial kingdom is the title given to the 1000-year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. Some seek to interpret the 1000 years in an allegorical manner. They understand the 1000 years as merely a figurative way of saying “a long period of time,” not a literal, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. However, six times in Revelation 20:2-7, the millennial kingdom is specifically said to be 1000 years in length. If God wished to communicate “a long period of time,” He could have easily done so without explicitly and repeatedly mentioning an exact time frame.

The Bible tells us that when Christ returns to the earth He will establish Himself as king in Jerusalem, sitting on the throne of David (Luke 1:32-33). The unconditional covenants demand a literal, physical return of Christ to establish the kingdom. The Abrahamic Covenant promised Israel a land, a posterity and ruler, and a spiritual blessing (Genesis 12:1-3). The Palestinian Covenant promised Israel a restoration to the land and occupation of the land (Deuteronomy 30:1-10). The Davidic Covenant promised Israel forgiveness—the means whereby the nation could be blessed (2 Samuel 7:10-13).

At the second coming, these covenants will be fulfilled as Israel is re-gathered from the nations (Matthew 24:31), converted (Zechariah 12:10–14), and restored to the land under the rule of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Bible speaks of the conditions during the millennium as a perfect environment physically and spiritually. It will be a time of peace (Micah 4:2–4; Isaiah 32:17–18), joy (Isaiah 61:7, 10), and comfort (Isaiah 40:1–2). The Bible also tells us that only believers will enter the millennial kingdom. Because of this, it will be a time of obedience (Jeremiah 31:33), holiness (Isaiah 35:8), truth (Isaiah 65:16), and the knowledge of God (Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14). Christ will rule as king (Isaiah 9:3–7; 11:1–10). Nobles and governors will also rule (Isaiah 32:1; Matthew 19:28), and Jerusalem will be the political center of the world (Zechariah 8:3).

Revelation 20:2-7 gives the precise time period of the millennial kingdom. Even without these scriptures, there are countless others that point to a literal reign of the Messiah on the earth. The fulfillment of many of God’s covenants and promises rests on a literal, physical, future kingdom. There is no solid basis for denying the literal interpretation of the millennial kingdom and its duration being 1000 years.

Except CHRIST HIMSELF NEVER ever talked about any Millennium or raptures and snatches into the air.

His eschatological timeline is pretty straightforward - at the end oftimes approaching great tribulations and persecution Of His Church will preced His Second Coming and the Final Judgement.

THAT'S IT.
No millennial Kingdoms, no reigning on Earth - and then what - suddently He will leave again and then - come again - the THIRD time - for the Final Judgemnent?where do you guys get this nonsense - under LSD impression?

Stop inventing the signs and predictions which have NEVER been there before.

For 1700+ years people followed the Word of Christ on the End Times - suddenly there come "know it all" newbies which "just read the Bible" and found the "new meanings" in there.

Would be better if those inventors read about the discussions on Revelations Chapter 20 in the Augustinian times - as it all was settled then, long time before they ever appeared.


Oh, and stop elevating an Apostle's words over the Lord's words.
As much as I admire John, Our Lord's Jesus Christ's words about End Times, which are very clear cut, without any possibility to distort them into millennia, ruptures and all other left behind nonsense, take precedence.

That is why all those fantasies about rapture-millennia NEVER refer to the Gospels and Our Lord's words.

NEVER, because they are against this fantasy.

 

[peach174]

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

None of the things in the bible was in place during each of those generations and that is why they were wrong.
The Gospel had not reached everyone in the World and there was no State of Israel, both of theses things has happened plus all of the other things I have listed earlier.
Each and every thing the bible says about end times is being fulfilled and coming into place.

I agree with you that many things are falling into place but the Gospel has not been preached to the entire world yet.

Yes it has, with radio, TV and Satellite, plus all tribes in the Amazon and other jungles by the very tribes themselves who converted to Christianity and traveled into the deep parts of the jungles to reach them.

 

[theword]

Every generation has convinced itself their's is the generation that'll see the rapture. And so far, every generation has been wrong. Wanna plan for it go ahead, just be aware it's your own ego and ignorance convincing you of it's impending arrival, not anything Scriptural.

None of the things in the bible was in place during each of those generations and that is why they were wrong.
The Gospel had not reached everyone in the World and there was no State of Israel, both of theses things has happened plus all of the other things I have listed earlier.
Each and every thing the bible says about end times is being fulfilled and coming into place.

I agree with you that many things are falling into place but the Gospel has not been preached to the entire world yet.

The spirit of ALL God's creation hears the gospel being preached. The flesh of this world reject His Voice and that's the reason ALL flesh has to perish during this age.

Romans 10
8: But what does it say? The word is near you, on your lips and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach);
15: And how can men preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach good news!"
16: But they have not all obeyed the gospel; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?"
17: So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ.
18: But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."


John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.

 

[Chuckt]

None of the things in the bible was in place during each of those generations and that is why they were wrong.
The Gospel had not reached everyone in the World and there was no State of Israel, both of theses things has happened plus all of the other things I have listed earlier.
Each and every thing the bible says about end times is being fulfilled and coming into place.

I agree with you that many things are falling into place but the Gospel has not been preached to the entire world yet.

Yes it has, with radio, TV and Satellite, plus all tribes in the Amazon and other jungles by the very tribes themselves who converted to Christianity and traveled into the deep parts of the jungles to reach them.

You can get the Bible anywhere there is an internet connection.
Google was putting up antennas with balloons to give people in Africa the internet.
It amazes me that false teaching can get somewhere before a missionary does.

 

[GISMYS]

YOU MOCKERS AND SCOFFERS ARE ANOTHER PROOF THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS!!!===Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
2 PETER 3:3-9

 

[Vox]

"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should not be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."- The Church Council of Toulouse 1229 ADSource: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England Copyright 1980 by Edward Peters,ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:

"No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days, so that they may be burned..."- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD; 2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

"Opened on Thursday alongside the Inquisition archives was the infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed that even "the Bible" was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other ``heretical'' works...The Index of Forbidden Books and all excommunications relating to it were officially abolished in 1966. The Inquisition itself was established by Pope Gregory IX in 1233...."-Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book By Jude Webber ROME, Jan 22, 1998 (Reuters)

[/QUOTE]

LOL

you obviously never heard of the heresy of Albigensian and Cathars which was so widespread in France in the XIII century that it required major and drastic reaction. Including the prohibition to translate the Bible to FRENCH ( only) without the Rome approval, as Cathars and Albegensians, being gnostics, started, without approval form the Pope.
you might want to educate yourself on what was it - not only what were you brainwashed in your college:
Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But by the mid-XV century Bible not only was again WIDESPREAD among the people but was TRANSLATED to the major languages of Europe and PRINTED for the flock to read

In Italy popular knowledge of the Bible in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries was spread chiefly by the Franciscan and Dominican Friars. A complete version in the vernacular, a manuscript preserved in the National Library at Paris, was made by Nicholas de Nardò, O.P., in 1472. The first printed Bible (Venice, 1471) was due to Nicholas Malermi,

In the Czech, or Bohemian, tongue, thirty-three manuscript versions of the entire Bible and twenty-eight of the New Testament are known to have existed in the fifteenth century. A New Testament was printed at Pilsen in 1475 and 1480. A complete Bible by John Pytlik and others appeared at Prague in 1488.

A complete Slav Bible after an ancient codex of the time of Woloyimyr (d. 1008) was published at Ostrog in 1581.

The first complete Polish Bible was printed at Cracow in 1561, 1574, and 1577. As it was proved unsatisfactory for Catholics, Jacob Wujek, S.J., undertook a new translation from the Vulgate (Cracow, 1593), which was praised by Clement VIII, and reprinted frequently. Other Polish Bibles are a Socinian version (Cracow, 1563), and a Unitarian from the Hebrew by von Budey (Czaslaw, 1572)

the above are the PRINTED versions of the Bible, the manuscripts in vernaculars were available long time before.

You know that printing started by the mid-15 century( 1456) and the first printed book WAS the Bible, right? You certainly know that at that time the Church in ALL Europe, including the one in England was still Catholic, right?


And you know that the Wycliffe Bible was translated in 1382 which is a clear sign that there was NO PROHIBITION from Rome to translate the Bible to vernaculars - as you lied here.

You certainly know that the Church in England circa 1382 was as Roman Catholic as it can possibly be, right?

And you also know the the Old English translation was done in 747 by Venerable Bede, right?
And the translation of the Bible into Old German at the very same time?
And the translation to Church Slavonic by the 9th century, right?

Mind you - at that tome there was NO DIVISION to Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church, as everybody was under the supervision of the Pope and the Peter's throne in Rome.
Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But you knew that, right?


So, if you know all of that, how can you LIE that reading the Bible and translating the Bible was forbidden in Catholic and Orthodox Church?


or, you simply did not know all the history and were simply brainwashed into believing those lies?

 

[Chuckt]

In Italy popular knowledge of the Bible in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries was spread chiefly by the Franciscan and Dominican Friars. A complete version in the vernacular, a manuscript preserved in the National Library at Paris, was made by Nicholas de Nardò, O.P., in 1472. The first printed Bible (Venice, 1471) was due to Nicholas Malermi,

Except he was executed and the Bible was condemned.
There are few copies in existence which means that Bible wasn't read by the people widely.

The Dublin Review - Google Books

You are playing fast and loose with the evidence. You are being abusive by calling people a liar. A liar is someone who knows he lied. I don't know I lied. Asking you for evidence is a little different than professing full knowledge.

 

[peach174]

I agree with you that many things are falling into place but the Gospel has not been preached to the entire world yet.

Yes it has, with radio, TV and Satellite, plus all tribes in the Amazon and other jungles by the very tribes themselves who converted to Christianity and traveled into the deep parts of the jungles to reach them.

You can get the Bible anywhere there is an internet connection.
Google was putting up antennas with balloons to give people in Africa the internet.
It amazes me that false teaching can get somewhere before a missionary does.

Missionary's were in Africa from the start of Christianity, which started in the Middle East and then moved to the countries in Africa.
Missionary's started in Egypt in Africa in 42 A.D. by the apostle Mark.
1st Christian Church in Alexandria Africa 285 A.D.

 

[hangover]

Go to first new post Rapture anyday now!

An evangelical re-write of the bible. There is no such word as the rapture in the bible. It's been over two thousand years since Jesus checked out. Must be a long way to heaven for him to take this long. Every generation since the crucifixion has predicted the end. Eventually some one is bound to get it, but it may be another thousand years.