Reality sets in for Oregon governor

[Rustic]

Burger flippers unite!!!

• $50,000 per year
• 401K
• Company car
• Gas card
• Free meals
• Hookers
• Free insurance
• 200 days vacation
• 165 sick days
• Clothing allowance

Your tell that you've lost the argument.

No, not really.. like I asked before, why not be really fair and mandate a $50k minimum wage?

Why not bring back slavery?

We have it now, our slave master is career politicians and their federal government.

So you don't like it here. Jesus! Leave.

But emperor has no clothes, so It has to be pointed out...

 

[NYcarbineer]

ok ----let orphans die in the gutters

That isn't happening and you know it

People in this thread are calling for all government assistance to the poor to end. People dying in the streets is what happens in such places.

Pure hyperbole, if someone needs a hand up that's fine but that's all they deserve. Public aid isn't a career choice

Do you think people in China work for a buck an hour or somesuch because they LIKE it?

They live in a socialist society what do you expect??

Apple is a government run company in China?

 

[bripat9643]

The only other action is to reduce the cost of living by operations controlled by rich folks..

it seems to me that we would do a lot better by SUBSIDIZING the very basic
requirements of life in the USA ----ie making them AFFORDABLE to the broad base
of working people than trying to patch things up by getting employers to bankrupt
themselves by forcing them to GIVE IT AWAY. The targets are------housing, food,
health care and--------cheap internet service for all ----basic stuff for all as low prices

That would be the ultimate disaster.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

True. So do people who don't have kids. That's a fact of life. It's also what family members and private charities are intended to help with.

ok ----let orphans die in the gutters

That isn't happening and you know it

People in this thread are calling for all government assistance to the poor to end. People dying in the streets is what happens in such places.

Pure hyperbole, if someone needs a hand up that's fine but that's all they deserve. Public aid isn't a career choice

It is not a career choice for MOST people------for a few it is---very unfortunately

I'm sorry but I work with our Church Outreach, I see able bodied people every week....for the last three years... working the system

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

If you can't afford the basics you shouldn't have children. We shouldn't pay you to raise your kids!

That's the eugenicist theory.

Nonsense.

One of the most prominent feminists to champion the eugenic agenda was Margaret Sanger, the leader of the American birth control movement. Margaret Sanger saw birth control as a means to prevent unwanted children from being born into a disadvantaged life, and incorporated the language of eugenics to advance the movement.[23][24]

So either

1. Margaret Sanger's promotion of birth control for the poor was a form of eugenics, or,

2. Sanger was not the eugenicist she is routinely accused of being, for such promotion.

You fail to include the racist component of Sanger's theories. What's interesting is that the Democrats, who claim to be race neutral, have become so completely attached to them.

That said, her theories are irrelevant to this issue. I don't care how many kids poor people or anyone else have. It's none of my business. They can fuck and drop kids to their heart's content.

The government has no constitutional authority to force me or anyone else to support them.

Then stop paying your taxes and make that argument in court.

Whether the argument wins in court or not is not indicative of the constitutionality of forced charitable contributions, but only of the power of government to enforce such unconstitutional matters.

 

[Rustic]

Yes, the core of the teaching is "irrelevant"

Remember when Jesus chided the Romans to "pay their fair share"?

English please.

Uhm, that is English. You must be one of those undereductaed burger flippers we speak of?

What did Jesus tell the men who complained about their taxes?

But the emperor has no clothes

See? You know what Jesus said, but you have to pretend he didn't because you don't have the balls to disagree with Jesus.

lol, priceless.

Any Christian knows life is not a charity, so don't give me that horse shit...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

it seems to me that we would do a lot better by SUBSIDIZING the very basic
requirements of life in the USA ----ie making them AFFORDABLE to the broad base
of working people than trying to patch things up by getting employers to bankrupt
themselves by forcing them to GIVE IT AWAY. The targets are------housing, food,
health care and--------cheap internet service for all ----basic stuff for all as low prices

No.

why not? everyone should be able to afford to feed their kids

By their own funds, or charity. Not government redistributing other people's money.

Subsidizing is using other peoples money to support those who can't or won't support themselves.

No way should tax dollars be used for that or to support a company.

If you need to feed your kids then you need to get off your dead ass and get a job or two.

very charitable of you ------JESUS would be proud

Jesus never said take what your neighbor has and give it to the poor. He said to take what YOU have and give it to the poor.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Subsidizing is using other peoples money to support those who can't or won't support themselves.

No way should tax dollars be used for that or to support a company.

If you need to feed your kids then you need to get off your dead ass and get a job or two.

very charitable of you ------JESUS would be proud

JESUS said to feed the hungry and poor. Not have the government confiscate the money from others.

So no good Christian should vote for any politician who supports the food stamp program?

No one need be a Christian to know that subsidizing sloth is wrong.

So why are Christian churches spending billions every year subsidizing 'sloth'?

I see you do not understand the difference between voluntary charity and forced contribution.

 

[Rustic]

That isn't happening and you know it

People in this thread are calling for all government assistance to the poor to end. People dying in the streets is what happens in such places.

Pure hyperbole, if someone needs a hand up that's fine but that's all they deserve. Public aid isn't a career choice

Do you think people in China work for a buck an hour or somesuch because they LIKE it?

They live in a socialist society what do you expect??

Apple is a government run company in China?

That's China who cares??
Some day their people will get sick of living under socialism...

 

[Rustic]

Robin Hood was a cluster fuck

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

 

[NYcarbineer]

People in this thread are calling for all government assistance to the poor to end. People dying in the streets is what happens in such places.

Pure hyperbole, if someone needs a hand up that's fine but that's all they deserve. Public aid isn't a career choice

Do you think people in China work for a buck an hour or somesuch because they LIKE it?

They live in a socialist society what do you expect??

Apple is a government run company in China?

That's China who cares??
Some day their people will get sick of living under socialism...

You are confused.

 

[NYcarbineer]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

She came down $1.02. That's abandonment all right.

Breitbart is lying, and you suckers suck it up.


Gov. Kate Brown scales back her minimum wage proposal | Local | Eugene, Oregon
The Register Guard - Eugene, OR
""".............
The proposal tops out at $14.50 an hour for the Portland metro area and $13.25 an hour for the rest of the state in mid-2022, down from $15.52 an hour and $13.50 an hour, respectively, in Brown’s first proposal.""""

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

JESUS said to feed the hungry and poor. Not have the government confiscate the money from others.

Jesus also said to render unto Caesar. But that's none of my business.

I think you left out part of what he said there

He said pay your taxes.

You missed the point altogether, I see

 

[NYcarbineer]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

Most people have the power of reason. You may have heard of it.

 

[irosie91]

very charitable of you ------JESUS would be proud

JESUS said to feed the hungry and poor. Not have the government confiscate the money from others.

So no good Christian should vote for any politician who supports the food stamp program?

No one need be a Christian to know that subsidizing sloth is wrong.

So why are Christian churches spending billions every year subsidizing 'sloth'?

I see you do not understand the difference between voluntary charity and forced contribution.

I see that you do not understand "provide for the common welfare"

 

[NYcarbineer]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

She came down .50. That's abandonment all right.

Breitbart is lying, and you suckers suck it up.


Gov. Kate Brown scales back her minimum wage proposal | Local | Eugene, Oregon
The Register Guard - Eugene, OR
""".............
The proposal tops out at $14.50 an hour for the Portland metro area and $13.25 an hour for the rest of the state in mid-2022, down from $15.52 an hour and $13.50 an hour, respectively, in Brown’s first proposal.""""

These people are ineducable. I was trying to explain that. 15 bucks is the high end offer. It's like a sticker price.
You negotiate between that and no minimum wage increase at the other end.

All things considered Oregonians made out very well, contrary to the inevitable RWnut propaganda.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

She came down $1.02. That's abandonment all right.

Breitbart is lying, and you suckers suck it up.


Gov. Kate Brown scales back her minimum wage proposal | Local | Eugene, Oregon
The Register Guard - Eugene, OR
""".............
The proposal tops out at $14.50 an hour for the Portland metro area and $13.25 an hour for the rest of the state in mid-2022, down from $15.52 an hour and $13.50 an hour, respectively, in Brown’s first proposal.""""

You left this part out, dumb ass. She's passing the buck, kicking the can down the road like demonrats always do

The proposal tops out at $14.50 an hour for the Portland metro area and $13.25 an hour for the rest of the state in mid-2022, down from $15.52 an hour and $13.50 an hour, respectively, in Brown’s first proposal.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The only other action is to reduce the cost of living by operations controlled by rich folks..

sometimes the only way to do that is for them to cut costs, that would include wages. Where exactly would the gain be?