Remember when Obama warned us that our bridges and roads are crumbling?

[Rocko]

bullshit

UAE, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Japan, and so many more....have you been to those countries Alabama, Arkansas look like a dumpster in comparison.

Countries With the Best Infrastructure

According to this link the United States is rated 9th best in infrastructure in the world, but I don’t trust it at all, because it has The Netherlands listed at number 3, which from my personal experience I know is a shithole.

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

 

[Rocko]

UAE, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Japan, and so many more....have you been to those countries Alabama, Arkansas look like a dumpster in comparison.

Countries With the Best Infrastructure

According to this link the United States is rated 9th best in infrastructure in the world, but I don’t trust it at all, because it has The Netherlands listed at number 3, which from my personal experience I know is a shithole.

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

And no it’s not a cleaner country. First off it’s the size of New Jersey, so you can say maybe it’s cleaner than Detroit, but as for other parts of the country - no way.

 

[Denizen]

If you are asking that, then you haven't been paying attention. First off, a big infrastructure bill was part of Trump's election campaign. Secondly, not only is a lot of infrastructure in bad shape and dangerous, a lot is out-dated and is getting several times more use than it was expected to get when it was originally built, often times causing more accidents and traffic jams which in return cause delays that cost millions of dollars for shipping.

"Nearly 235,000, or some 38 percent of all U.S. bridges, need repair, replacement or major rehab, according to an analysis of federal data by the American Road & Transportation Builders Association."

Thousands of US bridges are 'structurally deficient' as pace of repair slows to lowest point in five years, industry group says

As far as the over-use take into account the Brent Spence Bridge that is part of I-75 and runs across the Ohio River between Covington, KY and Cincinnati, Oh. It was built in the 1960's, and is one of the most heavily used bridges in the country.

"Built in 1963 to carry 80,000 vehicles per day, the bridge now handles more than 170,000 vehicles each day. It is a critical link between the states and carries Interstate 75, a major American highway running from Michigan to Florida. Traffic on the bridge is so bad that some Uber drivers avoid taking it to Cincinnati from the city’s closest airport across the state line in Kentucky, even though it is the most direct route."

Without a Trump Infrastructure Plan, an Aging Ohio Bridge Is in Limbo

Who benefits the most from infrastructure spending?
Maybe American Road & Transportation Builders Association? Conflict of interest dude.

Remember when cigarette companies commissioned research that amazingly found no health problems tied to cigarettes? Remember how people laughed at it, because it was obviously a conflict of interest?

Same thing. An industry group, shockingly producing a report they need more government funding in their industry? No way. How crazy is that?

I happen to be similar with the Brent Spence bridge, given I live in Ohio, and did deliveries down there.

Traffic is often bad, but that is normal on any bridge linking two cities.

Does the bridge need replaced? Sure. But that is not a duty of people in Wyoming, or Florida, or Colorado, to pay for an Ohio Kentucky bridge.

Further, you giving funds for it, isn't even the biggest issue. The city of Cincinnati, has yet to finalize what they want to do. They either want to keep that bridge, and build a parallel bridge to it. Or they want to tear it down, and build a larger single bridge.

The city has not decided what they want to do yet.

Regardless, this is a local issue. The local governments should be the ones funding bridges, not the Federal government. Why should people in Hawaii pay taxes, to fund a bridge in Southern Ohio?

Where in the constitution, do you see any enumerated power of the Federal Government to fund local bridges?

I grew up in Ohio and have driven over that bridge more times than I can count. The bridge was built in the 1960's and since that time not only has the population exploded, so has the number of car owners, and the amount of goods that are transported on highways rather than railways. The Brent Spence Bridge is part of a federal highway system that links Miami to Detroit. The bridge is not only used by people in Ohio and Kentucky. Your statement that people from other states should not have their tax dollars used to replace it is not just illogical, but fucking ignorant. If you want to argue against projects that shouldn't use federal tax dollars to build, you should choose your battles more wisely. How about the Alaskan bridge to no where?

You should do a little more research before using just your own personal experiences as a large part of your argument. In a REAL discussion, your personal anecdotal evidence isn't proof the bridge is not obsolete and does not meet the needs of the 21st Century almost 60 years after it was built.

You haven’t given any unbiased proof that we have a bridge problem that needs to be addressed. Like I said, Obama was saying this shit 12 years ago, and 12 years later I don’t often hear about bridges or roads collapsing.

Yes, I have. You didn't click on the second link I posted where Trump had at one time said the Brent Spence Bridge was the second highest priority for an infrastructure plan.

Not to mention, the fact that during the presidential campaign a big infrastructure plan was one of Trump's biggest priorities... funny how that was in agreement with Obama who you are trying to say in this thread lied to get a plan passed.

I don’t support Trump’s infrastructure bill

Because Trump associates and backers stand to profit from taxpayer money?

 

[Rocko]

Who benefits the most from infrastructure spending?
Maybe American Road & Transportation Builders Association? Conflict of interest dude.

Remember when cigarette companies commissioned research that amazingly found no health problems tied to cigarettes? Remember how people laughed at it, because it was obviously a conflict of interest?

Same thing. An industry group, shockingly producing a report they need more government funding in their industry? No way. How crazy is that?

I happen to be similar with the Brent Spence bridge, given I live in Ohio, and did deliveries down there.

Traffic is often bad, but that is normal on any bridge linking two cities.

Does the bridge need replaced? Sure. But that is not a duty of people in Wyoming, or Florida, or Colorado, to pay for an Ohio Kentucky bridge.

Further, you giving funds for it, isn't even the biggest issue. The city of Cincinnati, has yet to finalize what they want to do. They either want to keep that bridge, and build a parallel bridge to it. Or they want to tear it down, and build a larger single bridge.

The city has not decided what they want to do yet.

Regardless, this is a local issue. The local governments should be the ones funding bridges, not the Federal government. Why should people in Hawaii pay taxes, to fund a bridge in Southern Ohio?

Where in the constitution, do you see any enumerated power of the Federal Government to fund local bridges?

I grew up in Ohio and have driven over that bridge more times than I can count. The bridge was built in the 1960's and since that time not only has the population exploded, so has the number of car owners, and the amount of goods that are transported on highways rather than railways. The Brent Spence Bridge is part of a federal highway system that links Miami to Detroit. The bridge is not only used by people in Ohio and Kentucky. Your statement that people from other states should not have their tax dollars used to replace it is not just illogical, but fucking ignorant. If you want to argue against projects that shouldn't use federal tax dollars to build, you should choose your battles more wisely. How about the Alaskan bridge to no where?

You should do a little more research before using just your own personal experiences as a large part of your argument. In a REAL discussion, your personal anecdotal evidence isn't proof the bridge is not obsolete and does not meet the needs of the 21st Century almost 60 years after it was built.

You haven’t given any unbiased proof that we have a bridge problem that needs to be addressed. Like I said, Obama was saying this shit 12 years ago, and 12 years later I don’t often hear about bridges or roads collapsing.

Yes, I have. You didn't click on the second link I posted where Trump had at one time said the Brent Spence Bridge was the second highest priority for an infrastructure plan.

Not to mention, the fact that during the presidential campaign a big infrastructure plan was one of Trump's biggest priorities... funny how that was in agreement with Obama who you are trying to say in this thread lied to get a plan passed.

I don’t support Trump’s infrastructure bill

Because Trump associates and backers stand to profit from taxpayer money?

you’re not making much sense, retard

 

[francoHFW]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

since Reagan we have spent half as much on infrastructure maintenance as we did before and our infrastructure has totally gone to hell as well as the middle class. Of course your propaganda machine doesn't tell you about that.

 

[Rocko]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

since Reagan we have spent half as much on infrastructure maintenance as we did before and our infrastructure has totally gone to hell as well as the middle class. Of course your propaganda machine doesn't tell you about that.

where is your proof? Superdup

 

[Denizen]

I grew up in Ohio and have driven over that bridge more times than I can count. The bridge was built in the 1960's and since that time not only has the population exploded, so has the number of car owners, and the amount of goods that are transported on highways rather than railways. The Brent Spence Bridge is part of a federal highway system that links Miami to Detroit. The bridge is not only used by people in Ohio and Kentucky. Your statement that people from other states should not have their tax dollars used to replace it is not just illogical, but fucking ignorant. If you want to argue against projects that shouldn't use federal tax dollars to build, you should choose your battles more wisely. How about the Alaskan bridge to no where?

You should do a little more research before using just your own personal experiences as a large part of your argument. In a REAL discussion, your personal anecdotal evidence isn't proof the bridge is not obsolete and does not meet the needs of the 21st Century almost 60 years after it was built.

You haven’t given any unbiased proof that we have a bridge problem that needs to be addressed. Like I said, Obama was saying this shit 12 years ago, and 12 years later I don’t often hear about bridges or roads collapsing.

Yes, I have. You didn't click on the second link I posted where Trump had at one time said the Brent Spence Bridge was the second highest priority for an infrastructure plan.

Not to mention, the fact that during the presidential campaign a big infrastructure plan was one of Trump's biggest priorities... funny how that was in agreement with Obama who you are trying to say in this thread lied to get a plan passed.

I don’t support Trump’s infrastructure bill

Because Trump associates and backers stand to profit from taxpayer money?

you’re not making much sense, retard

You're accusing me of being a Republican?

 

[Issa]

UAE, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Japan, and so many more....have you been to those countries Alabama, Arkansas look like a dumpster in comparison.

Countries With the Best Infrastructure

According to this link the United States is rated 9th best in infrastructure in the world, but I don’t trust it at all, because it has The Netherlands listed at number 3, which from my personal experience I know is a shithole.

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

Your statement.
Did you know that there are multiple private and public reports that US infrastructure is in a bad shape ? Who are you to declare otherwise. You based it on what ?

 

[Issa]

Countries With the Best Infrastructure

According to this link the United States is rated 9th best in infrastructure in the world, but I don’t trust it at all, because it has The Netherlands listed at number 3, which from my personal experience I know is a shithole.

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

And no it’s not a cleaner country. First off it’s the size of New Jersey, so you can say maybe it’s cleaner than Detroit, but as for other parts of the country - no way.

Overall it is cleaner than the US. Their citizens also overall look healthier.
What state you live in? And what part of Holland you visited ?

 

[Rocko]

Countries With the Best Infrastructure

According to this link the United States is rated 9th best in infrastructure in the world, but I don’t trust it at all, because it has The Netherlands listed at number 3, which from my personal experience I know is a shithole.

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

Your statement.
Did you know that there are multiple private and public reports that US infrastructure is in a bad shape ? Who are you to declare otherwise. You based it on what ?

Huh? I haven’t denied anything. You present something and I’ll have a look at it.

 

[Rocko]

Netherlands? Care to explain ?
The US isn't better than Germany, norway, sweden, Austria and many more.

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

And no it’s not a cleaner country. First off it’s the size of New Jersey, so you can say maybe it’s cleaner than Detroit, but as for other parts of the country - no way.

Overall it is cleaner than the US. Their citizens also overall look healthier.
What state you live in? And what part of Holland you visited ?

Again Holland is a small country. The US is a very large and diverse country. The citizens maybe healthier per capita. That we can agree on. I lived in New York City most of my life and live in Nortb Jersey now. I’ve been all over Hollland. I used to do a lot of buisness there.

 

[Issa]

the buildings are very short and narrow in width. It’s also pretty dirty over there. Anyway, how much do these countries with superior infrastructure spend relative to us? I mean we the best architects, engineers, builders and we spend more than these countries. So how do they have better infrastructure than us?

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

And no it’s not a cleaner country. First off it’s the size of New Jersey, so you can say maybe it’s cleaner than Detroit, but as for other parts of the country - no way.

Overall it is cleaner than the US. Their citizens also overall look healthier.
What state you live in? And what part of Holland you visited ?

Again Holland is a small country. The US is a very large and diverse country. The citizens maybe healthier per capita. That we can agree on. I lived in New York City most of my life and live in Nortb Jersey now. I’ve been all over Hollland. I used to do a lot of buisness there.

Let's compare NJ or NY to Holland....the latter is much cleaner.

 

[deanrd]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

America's infrastructure is decaying — here's a look at how terrible things have gotten

Obama was right as usual.

It's not just bridges, but dams and spillways and hazardous waste sites.

A one minute search and you can see damage all across the United States.

What kind of person says I don't see a thing without looking first?

I know. A Trump supporter!

 

[Rocko]

Holland is a very small and cleaner country, I doubt you've been there. Houses here are mostly made out of cheap material, drywall, plaster, cardboard.
Speaking of infrastructure they managed to keep the sea out while we had a Katrina flood an entire city.

What makes you doubt that I’ve been there?

And no it’s not a cleaner country. First off it’s the size of New Jersey, so you can say maybe it’s cleaner than Detroit, but as for other parts of the country - no way.

Overall it is cleaner than the US. Their citizens also overall look healthier.
What state you live in? And what part of Holland you visited ?

Again Holland is a small country. The US is a very large and diverse country. The citizens maybe healthier per capita. That we can agree on. I lived in New York City most of my life and live in Nortb Jersey now. I’ve been all over Hollland. I used to do a lot of buisness there.

Let's compare NJ or NY to Holland....the latter is much cleaner.

perhaps certain parts. There are also many parts of NYC and even NJ that are pristine and Holland cannot hold a candle to.

 

[Rocko]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

America's infrastructure is decaying — here's a look at how terrible things have gotten

Obama was right as usual.

It's not just bridges, but dams and spillways and hazardous waste sites.

A one minute search and you can see damage all across the United States.

What kind of person says I don't see a thing without looking first?

I know. A Trump supporter!

American Society Of Civil Engineers? How about showing me some of the disasters that came to pass from Obama’s predictions, other than providing biased sources that have a vested interest in us spending more money on infrastructure projects.

 

[Denizen]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

America's infrastructure is decaying — here's a look at how terrible things have gotten

Obama was right as usual.

It's not just bridges, but dams and spillways and hazardous waste sites.

A one minute search and you can see damage all across the United States.

What kind of person says I don't see a thing without looking first?

I know. A Trump supporter!

American Society Of Civil Engineers? How about showing me some of the disasters that came to pass from Obama’s predictions, other than providing biased sources that have a vested interest in us spending more money on infrastructure projects.

Facts are like poison to you.

 

[rightwinger]

As a whole, our infrastructure sucks

Not only roads, bridges and tunnels

But....
Water
Electric Grid
Internet
Rail

I agree and airports are archaic.

Not just the airports, but air traffic control

Airports are an easy fix and visible. Start there and the rail system.

We have ignored maintaining and modernizing infrastructure for decades. So much to do.

The bright side is we have a strong economy. No better time to do it

 

[rightwinger]

12 years later I don’t see any evidence of that. Was he lying to get a huge spending bill passed?

America's infrastructure is decaying — here's a look at how terrible things have gotten

Obama was right as usual.

It's not just bridges, but dams and spillways and hazardous waste sites.

A one minute search and you can see damage all across the United States.

What kind of person says I don't see a thing without looking first?

I know. A Trump supporter!

American Society Of Civil Engineers? How about showing me some of the disasters that came to pass from Obama’s predictions, other than providing biased sources that have a vested interest in us spending more money on infrastructure projects.

Who would know better than the apolitical American Society of Civil Engineers?

They can back up their opinion with data

 

[RealDave]

As a whole, our infrastructure sucks

Not only roads, bridges and tunnels

But....
Water
Electric Grid
Internet
Rail

maybe, maybe not......however infrastructure wasn’t the national emergency Obama said it was. Would you say that’s a fair statement based on what has transpired?

Actually, it is still a dire situation.

Trumpettes no longer give a shit because Trump does not care.

The truth is that we have no money left to spend on it. Trump slashed revenues, increased military spending & drove the deficits back over a trillion.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I don't remember the "crumbling" bit but I do remember the day after the stimulus bill passed they started widening our highway from two lanes to four. It's a big boy now.

And you attribute that to barry's shovel ready jobs?

It's funny,here in Houston improvements go on all year every year...and long before barry was ever elected.