Republican Ideology through History

The growing power of the Religious Right entered the first Reagan race noticeably as he beat Carter.

QWB, don't talk about what you don't know. You sound as stupid as simodo.

I give QW a little credit, he at least tries, Si modo must be twelve as the best she does is name call.

Religion has entered politics big, given abortion, gay marriage, prayer in schools, and the odd assortment of sects and other beliefs that started around the time noted. To deny that is to deny reality aka history.
 
The growing power of the Religious Right entered the first Reagan race noticeably as he beat Carter.

QWB, don't talk about what you don't know. You sound as stupid as simodo.

I give QW a little credit, he at least tries, Si modo must be twelve as the best she does is name call.

Religion has entered politics big, given abortion, gay marriage, prayer in schools, and the odd assortment of sects and other beliefs that started around the time noted. To deny that is to deny reality aka history.

I am still waiting for any proof no one mentioned the fact that Kennedy happened to be Catholic when he was running for president.
 
...I am still waiting for any proof no one mentioned the fact that Kennedy happened to be Catholic when he was running for president.

JFK's religion was the topic during the sixty election, it was about the relationship of Roman Catholics to their church and particularly to the Pope and his encyclicals etc. Carter's election was about an Evangelical candidate, and by definition evangelicalism is an active and rather rigid religious frame. Evangelicalism is 'marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause,' and those causes now entered politics in a way they never had before. Today you see the change in the constant mention of Gawd and faith by all candidates and the intolerant comments on other faiths or lack thereof. Can one imagine an atheist being elected in America? Hope this clears it up for you.

While a bit off topic, I read a interesting piece long ago on how abortion became critical to religion and politics in America, it had more to do with tax shelters for the churches than actual abortion rights. Hard to say how accurate that is because when I grew up, the rich went to doctors and the poor suffered in back alleys. Also family ideas have changed lots since then with birth control, better healthcare during and after childbirth, and the move of women towards a fuller, freer life.

When I grew up - Catholic - a person was not a responsible person till seven when presumably you understood right from wrong and could be judged. Before that you were in the clear. One woman comedian does a funny skit on that aspect of Catholicism. Those items are reasons too, abortion had a different meaning then.

ps quote above is from onlinedictionary.
 
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...I am still waiting for any proof no one mentioned the fact that Kennedy happened to be Catholic when he was running for president.

JFK's religion was the topic during the sixty election, it was about the relationship of Roman Catholics to their church and particularly to the Pope and his encyclicals etc. Carter's election was about an Evangelical candidate, and by definition evangelicalism is an active and rather rigid religious frame. Evangelicalism is 'marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause,' and those causes now entered politics in a way they never had before. Today you see the change in the constant mention of Gawd and faith by all candidates and the intolerant comments on other faiths or lack thereof. Can one imagine an atheist being elected in America? Hope this clears it up for you.

Are you admitting you were wrong when you said this?

Carter elected, religion enters politics

If not, all it clears up is that you are again ignoring facts in order to stretch your point through the Schwarzschild radius in an attempt to pretend you are better informed than me.

While a bit off topic, I read a interesting piece long ago on how abortion became critical to religion and politics in America, it had more to do with tax shelters for the churches than actual abortion rights. Hard to say how accurate that is because when I grew up, the rich went to doctors and the poor suffered in back alleys. Also family ideas have changed lots since then with birth control, better healthcare during and after childbirth, and the move of women towards a fuller, freer life.

When I grew up - Catholic - a person was not a responsible person till seven when presumably you understood right from wrong and could be judged. Before that you were in the clear. One woman comedian does a funny skit on that aspect of Catholicism. Those items are reasons too, abortion had a different meaning then.

ps quote above is from onlinedictionary.

You are always a bit off topic when you post quotes, which is why I, among others, continually mock you. It is nice to see you finally realizing it, can we expect to see you stop at some point?

I didn't think so.
 
QPW, I was going to let up on you, but after the bit above, I realized you are goofball, truly not all there.

Religiion has always been part of American politics. The Religiious Right as we know it today entered politics with force as Reagan's social values thugs tried to take the nomination from Ford and failed, then got in high gear in 1980 and forward.

Governor Christie's rebuke of religious right stupidity in GOP politics yesterday was a breath of fresh air.
 
Are you admitting you were wrong when you said this?

Carter elected, religion enters politics

I explained the difference above, I'm sorry subtleties are over your head. Hopefully as you grow up, and read more history, from all sources, you gain a better understanding of the complexity of change in society and politics. My outline is brief and to the point.


Again for readers interested in these topics check out Peter Watson's 'Ideas' in history books, and Isaiah Berlin's 'The Sense of Reality.'

In more contemporary times, John Kenneth Galbraith and Tony Judt are always worth a read. Christopher Hitchens has some interesting essays as well.

See here. http://www.usmessageboard.com/reviews/85148-reading-that-opens-the-mind-books.html I am adding a book later today.
 
It has been suggested the republican power structure does not trust their primary candidate Mitt Romney to be inflexible enough. The other candidates have little chance but in a field so weak, they dream that just maybe their time will come. Sometimes it comes and goes as Rick Perry demonstrated. Romney polls low among a party driven by ideology only. In a real sense republicans are at their best when in opposition to change and progress, the outline in the OP testifies to their failure to govern, but their constant whining, as shown by the tea party caucus and tax pledge followers, demonstrates how narrow focused republicans remain. So unless a 'real conservative' in their 'ideological image' appears, they may just continue to be against progress for America. They do that one thing better than anything else, that is, they do 'nothing' very well. Credit is due them there. Watch them in Congress today, you could watch any brick wall and see an equivalent spectacle unveil.

"...Ideology makes men fight for their servitude as stubbornly as though it were their salvation." Deleuze/Guattari
 
FWIW, I do not think the GOP has remained the same party, with the same POV it once had.

I can say exactly the same about the Democratic party.

Ype most of the demoncrats in congress are now what the republicans were about 40 years ago.
 
No one can say I didn't tell you so. :lol: Let the accolades begin.... ;)


'Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem." By Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted."

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post


"What happened? Of course, there were larger forces at work beyond the realignment of the South. They included the mobilization of social conservatives after the 1973Roe v. Wade decision, the anti-tax movement launched in 1978 by California’s Proposition 13, the rise of conservative talk radio after a congressional pay raise in 1989, and the emergence of Fox News and right-wing blogs. But the real move to the bedrock right starts with two names: Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist." from above article.


I am working on a revised republican history, stay tuned. http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/186726-republican-ideology-through-history-7.html#post4251322

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Roaring Twenties, growth of the automobile and a war economy
Harding reduces taxes on the wealthy to spur growth
Three consecutive republican administrations, supply side economics prevail
Republicans align themselves with big business
Coolidge/Hoover presidencies a bubble mentality ensues as wall street speculation grows
Bubble bursts, banks collapse, economy collapses
Rigid republican policy prevents creative workable solutions
Great Depression begins - Hoover ineffective
Hoover a businessman gets advice from the wealthy and National Association of Manufacturers
Hoover does little substantive eventually fails completely
FDR rescues the nation from Great Depression, creates job programs
FDR creates strong regulatory structure
These are the times of radio and newspapers
FDR creates the greatest single asset for all Americans: Social Security
FDR masterfully fought WWII along with Churchill and help from Stalin
FDR wins three terms and is ranked by most as the greatest modern period American president
Sixty years of American exceptionalism follow FDR's presidency
Truman ends the savagery of World War II with Japan with the ultimate savagery
Truman uses UN in Korean war effort over fear of communism's spread
Truman extends New Deal and Civil rights
WWII end brings prosperity to America due to GI Bill, home growth, and durable goods growth
High tax rates continue until seventies and eighties
American corporations support the American worker with pensions and healthcare
Eisenhower ignores right wing war mongering republicans, extends civil rights
Warren court hands down ruling on public school segregation
Eisenhower continues progressivism, Vietnam involvement continues from Truman
Eisenhower's grand idea and job's program, the Interstate highway begins
Eisenhower commits to helping South Vietnam
The 'Cold War' clouds the mind of America creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust
Nixon loses to Kennedy in first TV election
Kennedy buys into ridiculous Bay of Pigs plan from Eisenhower administration
America's youth gain power prestige and purchasing power
Advertising, aka propaganda, grows as TV replaces radio
Kennedy reduces taxes for wealthy
Battle for space with Russia consumes America's resources
Blacks decide waiting any longer for equality is too long
Rosa Parks, among others, and Martin Luther King motivate a freedom movement long pass due
Camelot ends in Dallas
LBJ foolishly listens to war cries concerning domino effect and tragically involves America in Nam
LBJ advances civil rights and extended welfare so all Americans can have a little of the pie
Voter rights extended to all under Johnson Administration
Like FDR, Lyndon Baines Johnson moves America a bit closer to fairness and equality
LBJ creates the second great American accomplishment for seniors Medicare
Anti-war demonstrations change attitudes and diminish LBJ social achievements
Nixon has secret plan for ending Vietnam but paranoid personality ruins administration
Nixon opens up trade to China and negotiates with Mother Russia
Internet begins with DOD project to protect communications against Armageddon
Nixon's fear of loss and his administration misfits create Watergate
Fearing impeachment Nixon resigns, Ford takes helm
Carter elected, religion enters politics
Carter inherits stagflation economy from Nixon / Ford
Carter supports Afghanistan against Russian occupation, seeds are set for growth of insurgency terrorism
CNN and the start of 24 by 7 news begins
Carter reduces taxes for wealthy and increases military spending
Iranian militants take Americans captive
Oil embargo hurts Carter but efforts at energy policy are forgotten as Reagan wins
Reagan starts the destruction of the middle class in part by making government the problem
Reagan starts destruction of regulatory agencies that eventually lead to the Great Recession of today
Reagan reduces taxes for wealthy - corporations and think tanks gain persuasive powers
Reagan or his administration realize their errors and raise taxes several times, including largest peace time tax
America becomes a debtor nation under Reagan, invades Grenada
Reagan escapes impeachment over Iran Contra
Bush Sr experiences effect of Reagan economic policies, economy collapses, real estate boom crash, S&L scandal, bailouts to rescue nation again after republican policies
G.H.W. Bush loses to William Jefferson Clinton as Republican policies once more fail the nation
Internet commercialization grows as browsers develop and business goes online
Clinton raises taxes, economy recovers aided by millennium and Internet bubble
Clinton buys into financial nonsense, supporting NAFTA, regulatory and welfare reform
Clinton raises minimum wage and job growth continues
Armies of money and power go after Clinton on healthcare proposal, spending publicly and privately millions
Silly DADT policy implemented after republican opposition to more open policy
Clinton moves right and sells out progressive values
Monica and the meaning of 'is' fill the news and blanket real issues
Republicans with nothing else on their agenda investigate and try to impeach Clinton
Millions are spent to remove a democratically elected president
Gore wins popular vote, republicans fight Florida recount
Bush-Gore election goes to Bush as SCOTUS has moved from interpreters of law to corporate ideologues
Bush proves himself inept in all ways, but 911 attack creates fear and more war cries
Bush proves himself an incompetent leader who creates massive debt and war deaths
Clinton surplus is squandered on tax relief primarily for the wealthy
'War on Terror' clouds the mind of America creating an atmosphere of fear
Bush, as Reagan did, grows government and creates massive federal debt
Katrina incompetence represents firsthand the failure of republican governance
Loss of regulatory structure starting with Reagan and continuing with Clinton and Bush helps creates housing bubble
Bush invades Iraq based on trumped up propaganda about WMDs and scare tactics
Real estate bubble bursts over poor investments and just plain greed and stupidity on wall street and investment firms
Loss of regulatory structures again leads to economic collapse in America and the world
Great depression fears grow again after eight years of republican governance
National Association of Manufacturers and other corporations today own congress due to need for election monies
Economy collapses under Bush and bailouts are once again required during a republican administration
One in four children in America suffers hunger. Job loss and poverty increase again under republican business governance
Obama wins election for 'change' due to the total failure of Bush and the republicans
Armies of money and power again mount offensive attacking the American values of justice and fairness represented by Obama
Election loss creates powerful forces against change of status quo
Outsourcing automation and downsizing negatively affect job growth in America
Big money conservatives again fight against the workings of democracy
Republican judicial appointees mount war against voter rights and democratic government
Obama's help of GM is a financial and job saving success
Republican presidents have worst job record with the Bushs as the worst of the lot
Tea party forms supported by big money and rigid ideology
The corporatist SCOTUS decides corporations are really people
Obama attempts at bipartisanship and compromise prove impossible
Market up under Obama (30% at time of writing)
Stimulus for America helps but republicans fight against American values of sharing the pie
Obama passes Healthcare policy, keeps campaign promises on wars
America is too scared to live up to its principles of a fair trial and creates military tribunals
DADT is finally removed but Obama shows no guts as billions are squandered on Bush's tax policy that failed completely
Job numbers improve greatly from Bush but European fears and globalism affect markets
Big money fights healthcare and think tank rhetoric distorts potential cost savings
Wall street fights hard to maintain its wild west greed mentality
Mid term elections prove once again America's workers and working class don't vote in sufficient numbers
Republicans block all job bills and block Obama's nominations for public office
Obama's Libyan policy is successful with minor expenditure
Tea party ideologues try to sabotage government on dept ceiling to bring down America's elected president
Bush Jr tax policies still govern America as republicans fight for big oil and big money
Poverty in America increases as republicans fight for the wealthy and the corporations
America's credit rating is downgraded due to intransigence of republicans in congress
Republican presidential candidates kowtow to tea party and Norquist tax pledge
Wages for working Americans have been flat since Reagan with minor jump during Clinton
Election cycle begins again as focus moves back to power rather than governance
Republican governed state houses work to bring back Jim Crow and voter suppression
Republicans cheer loudly for death penalty numbers
Republican election audience demonstrate 'compassionate conservative' was always an oxymoron
Republicans with nothing productive to do try to capsize Obama administration as they did Clinton
Only 12% of Americans think Congress is doing a good job and a majority want their own representatives removed from office
Romney moves into Flip-Flopville and Perry gains strength due to his extreme views and cowboy image
Republicans still mention taxes and regulation as economic panaceas after their proven failure for nearly a hundred years
While republicans often mention freedom they are the least free politicians, ideology prevents working towards solutions
The rigid republican ideology explains their failures when given the reigns of governance
Republicans today only want power back and stand in the way of jobs and rebuilding America
America's political system, and even our court system, has moved away from practical politics that works for the people to a system that works only the politician, big money and corporations
And so it goes....

Recent: Obama's job plan will help unemployment and American states and cities rebuild, just as Roosevelt's did, but republicans again sidetrack real issues with malarkey about spending, taxes, and regulation, proving once again that the love of money is the greatest evil and the average voter has a short memory and pays little attention to results. It would seem that republicans with corporate support are still fighting Franklin Roosevelt's accomplishments and the freedoms given all by Lyndon Baines Johnson? President Obama is finally on the attack, recognizing when politics is only about power and money, and not about America, compromise is impossible.


[If anyone decides to counter this factual history please provide substantive information. Blanket statements will be considered irrelevant. Ad hominem statements are not counterpoints.]

So full of misinformation and historical inaccuraccies it is hard to believe.
 
Oddball would not recognize a Marxist until one walked up and bit him on his itty bitty dick.

Yeah, someone outed him. :lol:
 
No one can say I didn't tell you so. :lol: Let the accolades begin.... ;)


'Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem." By Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted."

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post


"What happened? Of course, there were larger forces at work beyond the realignment of the South. They included the mobilization of social conservatives after the 1973Roe v. Wade decision, the anti-tax movement launched in 1978 by California’s Proposition 13, the rise of conservative talk radio after a congressional pay raise in 1989, and the emergence of Fox News and right-wing blogs. But the real move to the bedrock right starts with two names: Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist." from above article.


I am working on a revised republican history, stay tuned. http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/186726-republican-ideology-through-history-7.html#post4251322

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A bullshit OPINION piece from the Washington Compost

Yawn
 
No one can say I didn't tell you so. :lol: Let the accolades begin.... ;)


'Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem." By Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein

Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted."

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post


"What happened? Of course, there were larger forces at work beyond the realignment of the South. They included the mobilization of social conservatives after the 1973Roe v. Wade decision, the anti-tax movement launched in 1978 by California’s Proposition 13, the rise of conservative talk radio after a congressional pay raise in 1989, and the emergence of Fox News and right-wing blogs. But the real move to the bedrock right starts with two names: Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist." from above article.


I am working on a revised republican history, stay tuned. http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/186726-republican-ideology-through-history-7.html#post4251322

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A bullshit OPINION piece from the Washington Compost

Yawn

The problem with the Republican Party is folks like West and those GOP who don't condemn his wild ass fantasies. Those are the minority assholes in the party. On the other side, look up at the denouncements by GOP stalwarts such as Joe Scarborough, George Will, and Rich Lowry on such stupidity by pricks like West.

The nice thing is that the far right asstoids in the party are slowly being isolated. Many of the TP reps last time will be losing to mainstream GOP opponents in the primaries.

The middle of the party is taking it back. Bout time.
 
FDR rescues the nation from Great Depression, creates job programs...

What year did that happen?

FDR gave Ronald Reagan's father a government job - and basically saved the Reagan family. He invested in the American people. Created a political atmosphere for sending middle class children to college. Created financial reforms that stabilized financial markets for 45 years until the free marketeers captured both parties and began to deregulate finance. His biggest mistake - as claimed by patron saint on the right, Milton Friedman - was tightening fiscal policy too early in order to balance the budget. He brought power and water to rural America through his public works program. He used the depression to put Americans back to work (rather than austerity, which is currently failing miserably in every country). FDR is why Reagan started his political life as a democrat and campaigned for Truman.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJDhS4oUm0M]Reagan Campaigns for Truman in 1948 - YouTube[/ame]

FDR virtually ended poverty amongst seniors with Social Security. This program had an immense multiplier effect on the economy. Because middle class families had lower costs for taking care of their parents, more money was available for consumption. Read Reagan's first biography "Where's the rest of me". He was a MAJOR supporter of FDR, who saved his family. This is why he did more than any American president after FDR to strengthen Social Security.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-91W5LS0E8]Ronald Reagan on Social Security - Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

Frank, you are a good man - a good chap with great things to say. But you've been lied to. Your party has been captured by a small minority of wealthy individuals who have radically defunded the middle class and - by doing so - destroyed the country.
 
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The obvious solution to the republican "problem" is for democrats to institute a socialist dictaorship for the good of us all.

They almost have no choice!
 
The obvious solution is for the far right weird wing nut wacks to come back to reality.
 

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