Republicans are mostly to blame for our debt

[bripat9643]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

 

[Mac1958]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

What lies?

Oh, that's right. You're a Trumpster. You wouldn't know.

 

[Wyatt earp]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

What lies?

Oh, that's right. You're a Trumpster. You wouldn't know.

Can't think of one can you WKRP?

 

[bripat9643]

(the U.S. government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (two months before Obama was elected and four months before he was sworn in) to fiscal 2009.

How much of that budget was signed by Obama?

He ran the first year on Bush's budget, and it not Obama fault that Bush Jr. left him the greatest recession since the Great Depression.

He passed his "stimulus" in Feb, so it was his budget from then on.

 

[bripat9643]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

What lies?

Oh, that's right. You're a Trumpster. You wouldn't know.

Each of your sentences contains one or more lies.

 

[Blues Man]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Tramp cared,
Trump touts tax law he previously called a disaster - YouTube

Min 120 on

no one else did

Republicans loved Reagan, he cut taxes twice and he raised the lowest bracket.

Remember tramp wanted them to invest in real estate, and he was a Democrat for a long time.

Anything that he felt it was good for him. Now he wants tax cuts, but he didn't back in the 80's.

Reagan passed the largest peace time tax hike in history which basically clawed back all the money from the income tax cuts.

Trump wasn't complaining about the tax cuts he was complaining about the tax increases Reagan signed into law after the first rounds of cuts

No he didn't, he twice cut taxes. Reagan only raised the lowest bracket in 1986.

Tramp was bitching about people playing the market instead of investing in real estate.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.



What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

Taxes: What people forget about Reagan

Ronald Reagan is the patron saint of lower taxes and smaller government. He cut taxes, yes. But he also raised them several times, in part to reduce high deficits and in part to pave the way for true tax reform.

money.cnn.com

So, despite his public opposition to higher taxes, Reagan ended up signing off on several measures intended to raise more revenue.

"Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Sounds awful!!

What were the rates before Reagan increased them? What were the rates after?

from the same link

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes.

For instance, more asset sales became taxable and tax-advantaged contributions and benefits under pension plans were further limited.

"What people forget about Ronald Reagan was that he very much converted to base broadening as a means of reducing deficits and as a means of tax reform," said Eugene Steuerle, an Institute Fellow at the Urban Institute who had helped lay the groundwork for tax reform in 1986 and served as a deputy assistant Treasury secretary during Reagan's second term.

There were other notable tax increases under Reagan.

In 1983, for example, he signed off on Social Security reform legislation that, among other things, accelerated an increase in the payroll tax rate, required that higher-income beneficiaries pay income tax on part of their benefits, and required the self-employed to pay the full payroll tax rate, rather than just the portion normally paid by employees.

The tax reform of 1986, meanwhile, wasn't designed to increase federal tax revenue. But that didn't mean that no one's taxes went up. Because the reform bill eliminated or reduced many tax breaks and shelters, high-income tax filers who previously paid little ended up with bigger tax bills.

So he's the one that did this, and it hasn't increased in all the years!

Beginning in 1984, includes up to one-half of Social Security benefits as taxable income for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income, combined with half their benefits and any tax-exempt interest they may have exceeds $25,000 for a single taxpayer and $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly. Benefits received by married taxpayers filing separately are taxable without regard to other income. Appropriates amounts equal to estimated tax liability to the Social Security trust funds.
Social Security history (ssa.gov)

The rich should pay more, as they get higher amounts in their SS checks.

they get more because they paid in more.

why is it you people want to ignore the truth about Reagan?

He said government is the problem but he oversaw one of the largest government expansions in history.

That he did, off the back of the working class. He was an 80's Potus and he decreased taxes so much, Bush Sr. had to say " Read my lips, no new taxes", and then he had the nerve to raise the lower income bracket.

Reagan lowered taxes so much he had to find other ways to increase revenue and he did that by raising taxes that weren't income taxes.

I know. He cut social programs. Property taxes and sales tax are set by the local governments.

What social programs did he cut?

The President continued, ''We're going to keep on trying to get down to a balanced budget through spending cuts. Then, if that isn't enough and if we're convinced that we have Government down to the level, absolute level, where it cannot go below that and perform Government's functions and services, then it would be a time to look at revenues, but not now.''
REAGAN INSISTS BUDGET CUTS ARE WAY TO REDUCE DEFICIT - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

and what did he cut?

 

[bripat9643]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Tramp cared,
Trump touts tax law he previously called a disaster - YouTube

Min 120 on

no one else did

Republicans loved Reagan, he cut taxes twice and he raised the lowest bracket.

Remember tramp wanted them to invest in real estate, and he was a Democrat for a long time.

Anything that he felt it was good for him. Now he wants tax cuts, but he didn't back in the 80's.

Reagan passed the largest peace time tax hike in history which basically clawed back all the money from the income tax cuts.

Trump wasn't complaining about the tax cuts he was complaining about the tax increases Reagan signed into law after the first rounds of cuts

No he didn't, he twice cut taxes. Reagan only raised the lowest bracket in 1986.

Tramp was bitching about people playing the market instead of investing in real estate.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.



What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

Taxes: What people forget about Reagan

Ronald Reagan is the patron saint of lower taxes and smaller government. He cut taxes, yes. But he also raised them several times, in part to reduce high deficits and in part to pave the way for true tax reform.

money.cnn.com

So, despite his public opposition to higher taxes, Reagan ended up signing off on several measures intended to raise more revenue.

"Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Sounds awful!!

What were the rates before Reagan increased them? What were the rates after?

from the same link

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes.

For instance, more asset sales became taxable and tax-advantaged contributions and benefits under pension plans were further limited.

"What people forget about Ronald Reagan was that he very much converted to base broadening as a means of reducing deficits and as a means of tax reform," said Eugene Steuerle, an Institute Fellow at the Urban Institute who had helped lay the groundwork for tax reform in 1986 and served as a deputy assistant Treasury secretary during Reagan's second term.

There were other notable tax increases under Reagan.

In 1983, for example, he signed off on Social Security reform legislation that, among other things, accelerated an increase in the payroll tax rate, required that higher-income beneficiaries pay income tax on part of their benefits, and required the self-employed to pay the full payroll tax rate, rather than just the portion normally paid by employees.

The tax reform of 1986, meanwhile, wasn't designed to increase federal tax revenue. But that didn't mean that no one's taxes went up. Because the reform bill eliminated or reduced many tax breaks and shelters, high-income tax filers who previously paid little ended up with bigger tax bills.

So he's the one that did this, and it hasn't increased in all the years!

Beginning in 1984, includes up to one-half of Social Security benefits as taxable income for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income, combined with half their benefits and any tax-exempt interest they may have exceeds $25,000 for a single taxpayer and $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly. Benefits received by married taxpayers filing separately are taxable without regard to other income. Appropriates amounts equal to estimated tax liability to the Social Security trust funds.
Social Security history (ssa.gov)

The rich should pay more, as they get higher amounts in their SS checks.

they get more because they paid in more.

why is it you people want to ignore the truth about Reagan?

He said government is the problem but he oversaw one of the largest government expansions in history.

That he did, off the back of the working class. He was an 80's Potus and he decreased taxes so much, Bush Sr. had to say " Read my lips, no new taxes", and then he had the nerve to raise the lower income bracket.

Reagan lowered taxes so much he had to find other ways to increase revenue and he did that by raising taxes that weren't income taxes.

I know. He cut social programs. Property taxes and sales tax are set by the local governments.

What social programs did he cut?

The President continued, ''We're going to keep on trying to get down to a balanced budget through spending cuts. Then, if that isn't enough and if we're convinced that we have Government down to the level, absolute level, where it cannot go below that and perform Government's functions and services, then it would be a time to look at revenues, but not now.''
REAGAN INSISTS BUDGET CUTS ARE WAY TO REDUCE DEFICIT - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

What's your point?

 

[Mac1958]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

What lies?

Oh, that's right. You're a Trumpster. You wouldn't know.

Each of your sentences contains one or more lies.

Yeah, I didn't think so. As usual.

 

[bripat9643]

One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

This is why I call Trump a hyper-Keynesian.

The so-called "conservatives" HATED Keynesianism BEFORE, and Keynes only advocated for increased spending during times of economic RECESSION.

But when Trump comes along and signs a MASSIVE spending increase with the GDP still growing, he's a fucking genius.

These people are completely clueless on economics. All they know is that they absolutely adore this ignorant buffoon.

You're wrong, asshole. I didn't like Trump's budget increase. Not a bit.

And yet you crow about the economy it helped to stimulate.

You're worthless.

It isn't the tax cuts that I am against, it's the increased spending. The tax cuts brought in trillions of dollars from overseas that definitely stimulated the economy,

You're worthless.

Again, tax cuts fuel increased spending. Huge deficits every time repubs cut taxes.

Trump has been the all-you-can-eat fiscal donut truck, and the Trumpsters eat it up and beg for more.

Not to mention the Fed and the NY Fed there to bail Trump out as well, and bond yields crashing by 60%.

They don't know about these things because they're kept from them in their universe. For obvious reasons.

The rate at which you spew lies and bullshit continues to grow.

What lies?

Oh, that's right. You're a Trumpster. You wouldn't know.

Each of your sentences contains one or more lies.

Yeah, I didn't think so. As usual.

I just told you, asshole.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He ran the first year on Bush's budget

How much of that Bush budget was signed by Obama?
I'll give you a hint, it was more than 0%.

 

[easyt65]

'The GOP is mostly to blame for our debt'

...says an irrational, hate-driven snowflake who parroted the biggest false criminal accusations and cheered on the largest political scandal and failed coup attempt in US history...

...who still believes in proven non-existent Russian Collusion but denies proven CCP Espionage facilitation and Joe Manchurian Candidate Biden...

...who only believes Congress - the House - controls the spending, the budget, the economy, & the debt ... Unless the GOP controlled the House...


.

OH here is a trumper who loves debt. You have no place in a discussion on debt.

Thank you for admitting Democrats have primarily controlled the House, thus the budget, spending, the economy, and most deficit addition.

It's about time you acknowledged the Constitution's 'Srparation of Power's which clearly explains CONGRESS, not the President, controls the purse strings.

Thank you for admitting Barry inherited the bad economy his own Democrats, who controlled Congress / spending during Bush's last 2 years (& Barry's 1st 2 years in office), handed him.


.

 

[Concerned American]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

Since everything out of your mouth has been fairy tale democrat BS, I felt it was incumbent on me to set the record straight with some actual numbers. Your heeeero Barry, increased the debt by nearly 70% from 11T to 20T. But don't take my word for it, see for yourself. US Debt by President | Chart & Per President Deficit | Self.

I’ve said he wasn’t great. Clearly you are lost.

I'll direct you to the title of your post. You made the partisan statement, not me.

Nowhere does it say Obama was great. It’s clearly a case of bad and worse. Repubs are worse.

Yep, and you pointed fingers at Reagan for tripling the debt. HaHaHa. From 997B to 2T, that is just slightly more than your heeero Bill Clinton, surplus and all. Critical thinking and math, try it sometime.

An Clinton decreased deficits. You can't really compare 80s dollars to 90s.... But you aren't that smart are you?

The debt increased by 1.4T during the Clinton admin. I'm not that smart, but you, like most morons, figure if you are losing ground with your argument, you'll just move the goal posts or change the narrative. I can do that too. You whiners have complained about defunding the police, but your heeeeero, BJ Billy, increased police spending more than any other modern day pres. Also, he increased immigration for tech industries by a huge amount. You know those dems. Kick backs for their buddies and screw everybody else. Didn't last long though--Clinton presided over the tech bubble bust. Keep chasing those goal posts moron. You're out of your league.

No you are not that smart. Deficits decreased. You can't look at dollars because it's over a long time period. I'm not a democrat.

So you're an idiot moron who thinks like a democrat. No difference. And I don't care if deficits decreased and he had a surplus in his last year or not--He still presided over a 1.4T increase in the debt. Draw a circle on the wall and bash you head into it moron, you can keep repeating the same BS over and over and it is still BS.

Don't worry, ol blow job never had a surplus. There was no year in which the national debt stayed the same, much less went down.

I hate to have to admit it, but ol' BJ did have a small surplus in the last year of his admin. But when his tech bubble burst it was gone--plus.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

Since everything out of your mouth has been fairy tale democrat BS, I felt it was incumbent on me to set the record straight with some actual numbers. Your heeeero Barry, increased the debt by nearly 70% from 11T to 20T. But don't take my word for it, see for yourself. US Debt by President | Chart & Per President Deficit | Self.

I’ve said he wasn’t great. Clearly you are lost.

I'll direct you to the title of your post. You made the partisan statement, not me.

Nowhere does it say Obama was great. It’s clearly a case of bad and worse. Repubs are worse.

Yep, and you pointed fingers at Reagan for tripling the debt. HaHaHa. From 997B to 2T, that is just slightly more than your heeero Bill Clinton, surplus and all. Critical thinking and math, try it sometime.

An Clinton decreased deficits. You can't really compare 80s dollars to 90s.... But you aren't that smart are you?

The debt increased by 1.4T during the Clinton admin. I'm not that smart, but you, like most morons, figure if you are losing ground with your argument, you'll just move the goal posts or change the narrative. I can do that too. You whiners have complained about defunding the police, but your heeeeero, BJ Billy, increased police spending more than any other modern day pres. Also, he increased immigration for tech industries by a huge amount. You know those dems. Kick backs for their buddies and screw everybody else. Didn't last long though--Clinton presided over the tech bubble bust. Keep chasing those goal posts moron. You're out of your league.

No you are not that smart. Deficits decreased. You can't look at dollars because it's over a long time period. I'm not a democrat.

So you're an idiot moron who thinks like a democrat. No difference. And I don't care if deficits decreased and he had a surplus in his last year or not--He still presided over a 1.4T increase in the debt. Draw a circle on the wall and bash you head into it moron, you can keep repeating the same BS over and over and it is still BS.

Don't worry, ol blow job never had a surplus. There was no year in which the national debt stayed the same, much less went down.

I hate to have to admit it, but ol' BJ did have a small surplus in the last year of his admin. But when his tech bubble burst it was gone--plus.

No he didn't .The debt went up every year. There was NO surplus under Clinton. Liberals on this forum have been asked to prove, ad nauseum, this "surplus" and they can't do it. They go off on some tangent trying to change the subject because they have no answer. The smallest increase in national debt in one year under Clinton was 17 BILLION DOLLARS. That is NOT a surplus.

There was, however, a dot-com bubble. Oh yea, he also allowed Bin Laden to plan 9/11. He was too distracted cheating on his wife with a college intern to worry about stopping international terrorism.

 

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The best you guys seem to have is that Obama let the Bush tax cuts continue during a recession. Well it still started with Bush. Republican tax cuts fuel more spending.

The best you guys seem to have is that Obama let the Bush tax cuts continue during a recession.

Raising taxes hurts the economy?

Republican tax cuts fuel more spending.

Clinton hiked taxes in 1993. He increased spending.

Clinton decreased deficits a lot.

Clinton wiped out the deficit to zero. He balanced the budget, then created a large surplus.

We were on course to pay off the huge debt regan/bush left us. Clinton's plan had the regan/bush national debt paid off by 2010.

The bush boy destroyed it all.

Oh the myth boy at it again.

 

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Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

When did this become the Rubber Room? I guess we can now just post any unhinged rant with no supporting links we want.

You are babbling. You can’t counter clearly. You are a trumper, you love debt.

 

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I’m not saying either party is good, just that repubs are worse.

I think the dems are worse.

Till the past year,there was no differerence in the two,both were just as horrible as the other but this past year the dems have been high jacked by terrorists and they are destroying the country,thosands of Americans are fleeing the democrat party left and right,it does not resemble the party that used to under kennedy and carter.kennedy is rolling over in his grave on what the party has become.

 

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Trump and the Republican Congress DOUBLED the federal deficit in his first two years.

Fact.

BEFORE Covid. Way before.

The silence of the pseudocons has been deafening.

 

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Spending originates in the House of Representatives.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the House for 10 years, Dimwingers for 30 years.

Another massive threadfail by Brainfart.

It gets even worse, the Dems had unbroken majority of the House from 1954 to 1994, even reach 2/3 majorly for a time.

Yep, but I didn't want to confuse Brainfart since he wants to blame Reagan & Trump for everything.

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

exactly,same as Reagan. There are a lot of brainwashed sheep here that think their party can do no wrong.I bet the dem lovers would not hate Reagan so much if they knew he was a democrat most his life and the die hardrepublicantrolls like pc would not love him as she does if she knew he was a dem most his career.

 

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Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Deficits decreased under Clinton. Increasing taxes is the only way. You are talking small increases. If taxes increased as much as spending then people would take notice.

no they wouldn't.

because it will never happen.

No politician will ever get elected if he says he's going to increase taxes to cover all spending.

what fantasy land do you call home?

That is the problem. And repubs are worse cause they cut taxes and increase spending.

Biden said he was increasing some taxes and was elected. It’s a start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and increased spending

Extending the cuts means the rate was not changed. Had they expired rates would have increased.

but you said he should have raised taxes to cover all the spending he initiated he didn't and he still doubled the debt

I’m not saying either party is good, just that repubs are worse. Trump quickly increased Obama deficits.

and Obama doubled the debt. Democrat senators and congress men voted for republican tax cuts too you know

you are saying that it's somehow worse to die from getting strangled than getting shot when you wind up dead either way.

what you want will never happen and no democrat will do it just as no republican will.

so when you buy your ticket back to reality let me know

And trump increased Obama deficits. Bad and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

you need to do some homework

Republicans always start the cuts.

always?

JFK started cutting the top rate of the income tax

We didn’t have a debt problem then.

That's because we had automatic tax increases then.

And now repubs cut taxes when deeply in debt.

You keep saying that -

You won't answerer my question.

That’s because it is true

You won't understand this, because you are brainless -

A reduction in tax rates - Increases revenue to the Treasury.

Does not lower - has never lowered, has always increased.

Reagan, Bush43, Trump - cut rates, increased revenue.

(that doesn't work to infinity, but it has worked every time so far.)

The trump tax cuts lowered the rate of increase of revenue. Meanwhile Trump drastically increased deficits and nobody cares cause they got a tax cut.

Trump increased the debt by 33% in four years with a pandemic lockdown (prior to lockdown 16%). Even with the lockdown, extrapolated out to eight years, his increase was less than Barry's by 4%. This line of thinking is not logical by any means as too many factors weigh into it anyway--were there any earth-shaking global events, was the presidents party the party of congress? Morons like the OP throw out a bunch of crap looking to make click bait so these narcissists can watch their numbers grow. SMFH--shallow idiots at best.

You are confused. Trump took over and increased Obama’s deficit every single year and gave a tax cut. Nobody cares about debt cause they get a tax cut.

Shallow. You have no concept of economy. Business tax cuts are good for unemployment because it puts more money in the business so that business can hire more employees. More employees equals more taxes. No need to thank me for saving you the cost of the education. BTW, for years you morons have been saying that Trump's middle class tax cuts were fiction. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Trump just tried business tax cuts and they failed again. GDP growth went DOWN and he ran a trillion dollar deficit. Giant failure. Do you morons ever learn?

Barack Obama--9T increase in debt. Average deficit over 8 years, 1.125T per year. Try again. This time use some facts and figures not just your whiny garbage. But you say Trump inherited an economy--yeah a failing one. SMFH.

Could not have said it better myself,indeed the only economy trump inherited was a failing one same as the op is a failure.he is such a pathetic liar in his bs that trump inherited a strong economy when you just proved he inherited a failing economy from him.

 

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The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

They are, but only one cuts taxes and increases spending.

And what you will never comprehend, but I've been saying here for ages, is that they PLAY BOTH SIDES.

Good cop / bad cop.

It's a Ruse played by the Establishment to keep you folks at each others throats and NEVER focused on the real problem. The Elites, Ultra Deep Pockets aka The Establishment.

Perhaps they do, but only one side cuts taxes AND increases spending.

Yep....you will never get it.....they know it and laugh all the way to the bank

I'm an independent who doesn't really like either side, so what is it you mean? One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

Think about the players.

McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Paul Ryan, John Boehnor etc etc etc

These people are ACTORS. Their job is to play the role of antagonist and keep the American people divided and at each others throats.

Washington DC is run by criminals who know how to play all of us against one another.
That keeps your neighbor as your enemy and focal point.....while they in DC laugh all the way to the bank

The greatest fear in Washington is any thought of the American people coming together against their hold on power and fortune.

So they have a million ways to divide. poor vs Middle class. Black vs White. Gay vs Straight, left vs Right.

These are ALL tricks to divide us against each other.

It's not about what either side does. They are playing a game against the American people.
The REAL ISSUE is the ELITES vs We The People. That's the bottom line and who vs who.

I don't much disagree with you on that, but calling them both bad gets us nowhere. It just gives both sides a reason to be bad. The people don't demand more because both sides are bad. On debt repubs are clearly worse. Calling them equally bad gives them no reason to improve.

As an extreme leftist, I can't stand the democrats any more than the republicans.
Ever since Clinton, the bankers have been in control of both parties.
Obviously only Bernie Sanders had a solution to health care costs, and it is those high health insurance costs that make our products too expensive to export.
I thought Obama was going to be great, but instead he was hardly any better at all.
He was still a hawk and expanded the wars for no reason at all.
And ACA really does not fix anything, because with private health insurance, we are still prepaying and get no say in costs or quality.

What we need to do is force all states to have a single open primary and a run off between the top 2.
Or maybe a single election where we rate all the candidates.
This 2 party system will never let a good candidate get in there.

Actually ever since Reagan the bankers have Ben in control over both parties.yeah I also was glad when Obama got elected.I fell for his hope and change act thinking he just might be differerent than bush but I was not aware of his criminal past and what a Kenyon fraud he was or I never would have cheered him on.I wised up the second time and cheered on neither Romney or Obama.

I knew better about Obama the second time sense as you said and I have said throughout this whole thread,same as Bush,he was also a war hawk and indeed expanded the mideast war.To trumps credit he has not started any new wars but at the same time all the good he has done is all for naught saying he will drain the swamp when he still has not lifted a finger to get rid of the fed and the cia,they are the reason the world is in the mess and I only want him back as president because the alternative is ten times worse but most importantly,this massive election fraud if it is allowed to stand and go unpunished,America will cease to exist and Biden will get the war machine going again,that’s a given.