Republicans can’t seem to accurately define what socialism is

[Pumpkin Row]

They can call it people's ownership all they like, but with the government arbitrating it, the government is still in charge. If, supposedly, everyone owns something, but that something is still arbitrated by the government, the government still owns that something, and is in charge of that something.

The difference between fascism and socialism is simply semantics, and they both go hand in hand.

Besides, Socialism isn't strictly "People's ownership", it's collective ownership. However, the government always arbitrates that, making all forms of collective ownership simply government ownership.

Yes, obviously the government enforces it. That doesn’t make it fascism for fuck sake. You’re basically saying that because the US has a government, it makes it fascist.

While not necessarily true, a government expands its power constantly, regardless of where it starts, and naturally gravitates towards fascism.

No, having a government isn't fascism by default, a Socialist government is often fascist by default, dependent on how Socialist it is, because everything that the government arbitrates basically belongs to that government. For example, if all of the means of production were to supposedly belong to "all people", the means of production would still be arbitrated by the government, making it belong to the government. The government owning the means of production is a massive step towards fascism, because it takes away the ability of the people to conduct free trade.

Are you under this impression socialist states like Norway or Denmark are fascist? Not even close. You’re cherry picking a specific type of government as being the definition of socialism. Also, while those Nordic countries are more socialist than the US, it doesn’t change the fact that socialist principles have always been apart of the US government. Again, anything funded by tax payers is a socialist program.

Actually, I stated that they go hand in hand and that the government controlling the means of production is a huge step in that direction. Considering all I pointed out were facts, I'm not even remotely cherry-picking.

I already explained why that's wrong, and simply reiterating an incorrect point will not change that it's untrue. Infrastructure does not produce anything, and Socialism is Social control of the means of production. Since infrastructure is not a means of production, calling "everything funded by tax payers" Socialism is simply broadening the definition to normalize a failed ideal. Instead of reiterating a point I debunked, you'll need to actually make a counterpoint.

Lol what the fuck? How have you debunked anything? It’s interesting you demand sources from me but never produce your own. Until then you haven’t debunked anything.

Here is the extended definition of socialism from Wikipedia:

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10]as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12]There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13]though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][

See? All you have to do is, you know, look up the term and learn exactly what it means. As you can see, the term is about social ownership among the people. The definition at its core has nothing to do with fascism. Infrastructure is the product. A product owned by the people because it is funded by the people.

The definition you just gave me from wikipedia supports everything I just said about Socialism, and says nothing that supports your assertion that it's everything the government steals money from citizens to fund.

>"Characterized by Social Ownership of the means of production"
>Social Ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership

All of these forms of Social Ownership are arbitrated by the government, and have little to no difference. It also specifies the means of production, infrastructure not being any form of production.

In other words, all you did was repeat back to myself what I said to debunk your claim.

 

[francoHFW]

The definition I always see is the economy is owned or regulated by the state.

Regulated is what we have. Though it is a Pander to the rich GOP mess at this point.

 

[Billy000]

Yes, obviously the government enforces it. That doesn’t make it fascism for fuck sake. You’re basically saying that because the US has a government, it makes it fascist.

While not necessarily true, a government expands its power constantly, regardless of where it starts, and naturally gravitates towards fascism.

No, having a government isn't fascism by default, a Socialist government is often fascist by default, dependent on how Socialist it is, because everything that the government arbitrates basically belongs to that government. For example, if all of the means of production were to supposedly belong to "all people", the means of production would still be arbitrated by the government, making it belong to the government. The government owning the means of production is a massive step towards fascism, because it takes away the ability of the people to conduct free trade.

Are you under this impression socialist states like Norway or Denmark are fascist? Not even close. You’re cherry picking a specific type of government as being the definition of socialism. Also, while those Nordic countries are more socialist than the US, it doesn’t change the fact that socialist principles have always been apart of the US government. Again, anything funded by tax payers is a socialist program.

Actually, I stated that they go hand in hand and that the government controlling the means of production is a huge step in that direction. Considering all I pointed out were facts, I'm not even remotely cherry-picking.

I already explained why that's wrong, and simply reiterating an incorrect point will not change that it's untrue. Infrastructure does not produce anything, and Socialism is Social control of the means of production. Since infrastructure is not a means of production, calling "everything funded by tax payers" Socialism is simply broadening the definition to normalize a failed ideal. Instead of reiterating a point I debunked, you'll need to actually make a counterpoint.

Lol what the fuck? How have you debunked anything? It’s interesting you demand sources from me but never produce your own. Until then you haven’t debunked anything.

Here is the extended definition of socialism from Wikipedia:

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10]as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12]There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13]though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][

See? All you have to do is, you know, look up the term and learn exactly what it means. As you can see, the term is about social ownership among the people. The definition at its core has nothing to do with fascism. Infrastructure is the product. A product owned by the people because it is funded by the people.

The definition you just gave me from wikipedia supports everything I just said about Socialism, and says nothing that supports your assertion that it's everything the government steals money from citizens to fund.

>"Characterized by Social Ownership of the means of production"
>Social Ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership

All of these forms of Social Ownership are arbitrated by the government, and have little to no difference. It also specifies the means of production, infrastructure not being any form of production.

In other words, all you did was repeat back to myself what I said to debunk your claim.

Okay but if it is arbitrated by the government, how can you possibly suggest the US government isn’t socialist?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

While not necessarily true, a government expands its power constantly, regardless of where it starts, and naturally gravitates towards fascism.

No, having a government isn't fascism by default, a Socialist government is often fascist by default, dependent on how Socialist it is, because everything that the government arbitrates basically belongs to that government. For example, if all of the means of production were to supposedly belong to "all people", the means of production would still be arbitrated by the government, making it belong to the government. The government owning the means of production is a massive step towards fascism, because it takes away the ability of the people to conduct free trade.

Are you under this impression socialist states like Norway or Denmark are fascist? Not even close. You’re cherry picking a specific type of government as being the definition of socialism. Also, while those Nordic countries are more socialist than the US, it doesn’t change the fact that socialist principles have always been apart of the US government. Again, anything funded by tax payers is a socialist program.

Actually, I stated that they go hand in hand and that the government controlling the means of production is a huge step in that direction. Considering all I pointed out were facts, I'm not even remotely cherry-picking.

I already explained why that's wrong, and simply reiterating an incorrect point will not change that it's untrue. Infrastructure does not produce anything, and Socialism is Social control of the means of production. Since infrastructure is not a means of production, calling "everything funded by tax payers" Socialism is simply broadening the definition to normalize a failed ideal. Instead of reiterating a point I debunked, you'll need to actually make a counterpoint.

Lol what the fuck? How have you debunked anything? It’s interesting you demand sources from me but never produce your own. Until then you haven’t debunked anything.

Here is the extended definition of socialism from Wikipedia:

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10]as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12]There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13]though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][

See? All you have to do is, you know, look up the term and learn exactly what it means. As you can see, the term is about social ownership among the people. The definition at its core has nothing to do with fascism. Infrastructure is the product. A product owned by the people because it is funded by the people.

The definition you just gave me from wikipedia supports everything I just said about Socialism, and says nothing that supports your assertion that it's everything the government steals money from citizens to fund.

>"Characterized by Social Ownership of the means of production"
>Social Ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership

All of these forms of Social Ownership are arbitrated by the government, and have little to no difference. It also specifies the means of production, infrastructure not being any form of production.

In other words, all you did was repeat back to myself what I said to debunk your claim.

Okay but if it is arbitrated by the government, how can you possibly suggest the US government isn’t socialist?

Probably because the means of production are not Socially controlled? Factually? My statement was that Socially Controlled means of production is still arbitrated by the government was to explain to you that the various forms of Social Control are still government control, not that regulated means of production are the same as Social Control, because it isn't. Although I'm fully against both.

 

[francoHFW]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

 

[impuretrash]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, obviously the government enforces it. That doesn’t make it fascism for fuck sake. You’re basically saying that because the US has a government, it makes it fascist.

While not necessarily true, a government expands its power constantly, regardless of where it starts, and naturally gravitates towards fascism.

No, having a government isn't fascism by default, a Socialist government is often fascist by default, dependent on how Socialist it is, because everything that the government arbitrates basically belongs to that government. For example, if all of the means of production were to supposedly belong to "all people", the means of production would still be arbitrated by the government, making it belong to the government. The government owning the means of production is a massive step towards fascism, because it takes away the ability of the people to conduct free trade.

Are you under this impression socialist states like Norway or Denmark are fascist? Not even close. You’re cherry picking a specific type of government as being the definition of socialism. Also, while those Nordic countries are more socialist than the US, it doesn’t change the fact that socialist principles have always been apart of the US government. Again, anything funded by tax payers is a socialist program.

Actually, I stated that they go hand in hand and that the government controlling the means of production is a huge step in that direction. Considering all I pointed out were facts, I'm not even remotely cherry-picking.

I already explained why that's wrong, and simply reiterating an incorrect point will not change that it's untrue. Infrastructure does not produce anything, and Socialism is Social control of the means of production. Since infrastructure is not a means of production, calling "everything funded by tax payers" Socialism is simply broadening the definition to normalize a failed ideal. Instead of reiterating a point I debunked, you'll need to actually make a counterpoint.

Lol what the fuck? How have you debunked anything? It’s interesting you demand sources from me but never produce your own. Until then you haven’t debunked anything.

Here is the extended definition of socialism from Wikipedia:

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10]as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12]There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13]though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][

See? All you have to do is, you know, look up the term and learn exactly what it means. As you can see, the term is about social ownership among the people. The definition at its core has nothing to do with fascism. Infrastructure is the product. A product owned by the people because it is funded by the people.

The definition you just gave me from wikipedia supports everything I just said about Socialism, and says nothing that supports your assertion that it's everything the government steals money from citizens to fund.

>"Characterized by Social Ownership of the means of production"
>Social Ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership

All of these forms of Social Ownership are arbitrated by the government, and have little to no difference. It also specifies the means of production, infrastructure not being any form of production.

In other words, all you did was repeat back to myself what I said to debunk your claim.

Social ownership or social regulation!

 

[francoHFW]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

 

[impuretrash]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

 

[francoHFW]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

Me and everyone else outside your ridiculous GOP propaganda bubble, Dupe. Go to France or Australia or any other socialist country. They have higher pay than we do stronger middle classes we're going to hell you idiot. Long vacations free health care pay parental leave and cheap daycare and College, higher median income better upward Mobility and less inequality. Your ignorance of every important thing is a disgrace. But you know everything about imaginary Corruption of Hillary and the foundation and Obama. With no evidence total b*******.

 

[francoHFW]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Go to France or Canada or Australia, idiot. Read something please you are an idiot. Hi

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Go to France or Australia, idiot. Read something. You are an idiot LOL.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

Me and everyone else outside your ridiculous GOP propaganda bubble, Dupe. Go to France or Australia or any other socialist country. They have higher pay than we do stronger middle classes we're going to hell you idiot. Long vacations free health care pay parental leave and cheap daycare and College, higher median income better upward Mobility and less inequality. Your ignorance of every important thing is a disgrace. But you know everything about imaginary Corruption of Hillary and the foundation and Obama. With no evidence total b*******.

Ussr
China
Greece
Detroit
Spain
Italy
Ven.
North Korea
most of S and C America
most of Africa

yea, leftist utopias


And you need to look up the word 'free', you have no grasp of what it means

 

[Two Thumbs]

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Go to France or Canada or Australia, idiot. Read something please you are an idiot. Hi

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Go to France or Australia, idiot. Read something. You are an idiot LOL.

Why don't you go?

you hate it here, no one will miss you.

pack your shit and go.

 

[impuretrash]

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Go to France or Canada or Australia, idiot. Read something please you are an idiot. Hi

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Go to France or Australia, idiot. Read something. You are an idiot LOL.

Seems to me you're doing some obvious context denial

 

[francoHFW]

Are you anti capitalist? I'm thinking maybe when your paycheck arrives you may be pro-capitalist because you didn't give half of your pay to people that didn't work

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Our minimum wage jobs would be illegal anywhere else in the modern world stupid.

 

[impuretrash]

Why would you make that assumption? No, I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm no economist but of all the systems, capitalism is the one that makes the most sense to me. That doesn't mean I think it's perfect and incorruptible. Politics is a lot more complicated and nuanced than some people seem to believe.

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Our minimum wage jobs would be illegal anywhere else in the modern world stupid.

That explains why so many immigrants sneak across the border to work for below minimum wage

 

[francoHFW]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's government tyranny.

We have been pretty damn clear about this.

It's a completely failed ideal.

also, very clear about it.

only morons would want it.

can't get more clear than that.

Socialism is a word that applies to any known form of government around the world including the US.

we are a capitalist society, that's the opposite of socialism.

the crap you think is socialism is monetary slavery.

Me and everyone else outside your ridiculous GOP propaganda bubble, Dupe. Go to France or Australia or any other socialist country. They have higher pay than we do stronger middle classes we're going to hell you idiot. Long vacations free health care pay parental leave and cheap daycare and College, higher median income better upward Mobility and less inequality. Your ignorance of every important thing is a disgrace. But you know everything about imaginary Corruption of Hillary and the foundation and Obama. With no evidence total b*******.

Ussr
China
Greece
Detroit
Spain
Italy
Ven.
North Korea
most of S and C America
most of Africa

yea, leftist utopias


And you need to look up the word 'free', you have no grasp of what it means

Only two of those I would call Modern socialist countries , Spain and Italy. Or successful. Like I said Scandinavia EU original.. Canada Australia New Zealand Japan. We are the richest country in the world for crying out loud.

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Our minimum wage jobs would be illegal anywhere else in the modern world stupid.

That explains why so many immigrants sneak across the border to work for below minimum wage

You are comparing us to poor countries, Super dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is capitalism, just fair and balanced and not like Fox LOL.

Go to France or Canada or Australia, idiot. Read something please you are an idiot. Hi

Well, I think extreme socialism results in a system where citizens get paid a higher wage from not working than actually having a job and contributing to society.

Only if you're talking about crap underpaid overworked no benefits GOP b******* jobs like so many are now. We have the worst socialist government going thanks to the GOP and you silly dupes!

WTF are you smoking, dude?

Go to France or Australia, idiot. Read something. You are an idiot LOL.

Seems to me you're doing some obvious context denial

What the f*** does that mean please?