Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and all the others--Friend or Foe?

[oreo]

The higher premiums are a direct result of providing coverage to those who could not be covered in the past. The simple fact is that healthcare costs are out of control. It's not the insurance companies or Obamacare that are the problem; it's the providers, specifically hospitals. Until we understand why the costs are so high, we cannot work on solutions to reduce costs. Do the simple math here. We are spending 17% of GDP on healthcare. GDP is about $18 trillion, therefore we are spending over $3 trillion on healthcare. I read in Forbes that the number is about $3.2 trillion for 2015. We have 320 million people so we are spending $10,000 per person per year. That is the cost for our kids, ourselves, and retirees. Someone has to pay this. As they say, it ain't free. So if you are crying because you can no longer get health insurance for $250 per month with a low deductible, it's because it costs more than that.

Hey, the hospital that my girlfriend works at is building a new tower to add on to the hospital. It's only costing them $350 million. No biggie, right? Somebody has to pay for it though. My sister is a nurse. Oh holidays she makes over $80 per hour. Someone has to pay for that. My sister's employer matches her 401k contribution 2 to 1. She has over $300,000 in her 401K after 16 years. Somebody has to pay for that. This idea that Obamacare is the problem is a big problem, because Obamacare was not the catalyst to these increasing rates. Rates had been increasing double digits every single year under Bush. This started back in the 90's and has just gone crazy, pretty much the same way college tuition has increased. We've got problems, but we seem to be looking in the wrong places for solutions. Repealing Obamacare is not going to reduce your premiums. In fact, it may drive them through the roof even more.

Certainly there's no doubt that health care costs are skyrocketing. But Obamacare never addressed that. So after I was forced into a policy that would meet the requirement of O-care for 2015, I had the cheapest policy I could afford at $350.00 a month--1 year later that policy was cancelled. (it was called Colorado OP) They were going bankrupt. So everyone in this state had to get another policy that averaged an additional $200.00 per month more. 24 other states in this nation had the same problem. It's still a mess.

I pay $350 per month for myself and $125 for my son. I too have the high deductibles along with a health savings account. I spend about $2000 per year out of pocket in addition to my premiums. Luckily I'm not on any meds.

My new policy is crappy. I am now paying $495.00 a month with a 6K deductible, and co-pays everywhere. I never guessed anyone would be celebrating to turn 65 years old, to get on Medicare, but that's what is happening due to insurance costs. There is just no way to avoid them.

I think one of the biggest flaws in the ACA is that the rates increase too drastically for those who are older. The rates should be more level across all age groups. For instance, my policy costs $350, but in ten more years it will be about $500 when I am in my 60's. If I was ten years younger, it would only be around $250. I realize they have set rates based on risk and that as we age the risk increases greatly. The problem is that everyone needs to be able to afford the insurance. Unfortunately, unless we address the real reasons that healthcare is so expensive, this is not going to change.

Worst thing about Obamacare is that it was forced everyone, even those wanting nothing to do with the socialist entitlement.
So much for freedom of choice

Yeah, there's not too many that like O-care--but you certainly can't blame Republicans in congress for it. Not a single one of them voted for it.

 

[S.J.]

Today we have a senate, congress & President who REFUSES to work with the other side depending on the R or D behind their name. These members of congress have to appeal to the minority of the right wing base or the left wing base to keep their jobs.

What are you talking about? The Republican controlled Congress has given Obama everything he has demanded.

If you're talking about the fy 2016 budget. Where would you make cuts in the below chart? Being an armchair quarterback all of the time doesn't cut it.

OBAMACARE
You cannot DEFUND Obamacare leaving millions without insurance overnight. Republicans could do that but the odds that they would get elected for county dog catcher is ZERO to NONE. It does no good to read Green Eggs and Ham from the United States Senate Floor. It does no good to send up 300 house bills to Obama's desk in hopes that he will repeal his own signature bill. You cannot threaten to shut down the government, been there, done that, it only backfires on Republicans. You cannot change Obamacare with Obama sitting in the oval office with a VETO Pen. Ted Cruz is out there stating he will REPEAL every single word of Obamacare. He can't. The only way to repeal Obamacare is with a SUPER MAJORITY in both houses and a sitting Republican President. That's how we got Obamacare, that's the only way you're going to get rid of it.

Call Rush Limbaugh and have him present his own FY 2016 budget to congress, and tell him to deal with Democrats--who will have to agree with those cuts, and see how well he does with it. Limbaugh can put up or STFU.

Your chart doesn't show what's in each of those categories. There's plenty that can be cut from every one of them. Post something with a breakdown for each of the categories and I'll be happy to tell you what can be cut or eliminated.

 

[S.J.]

Certainly there's no doubt that health care costs are skyrocketing. But Obamacare never addressed that. So after I was forced into a policy that would meet the requirement of O-care for 2015, I had the cheapest policy I could afford at $350.00 a month--1 year later that policy was cancelled. (it was called Colorado OP) They were going bankrupt. So everyone in this state had to get another policy that averaged an additional $200.00 per month more. 24 other states in this nation had the same problem. It's still a mess.

I pay $350 per month for myself and $125 for my son. I too have the high deductibles along with a health savings account. I spend about $2000 per year out of pocket in addition to my premiums. Luckily I'm not on any meds.

My new policy is crappy. I am now paying $495.00 a month with a 6K deductible, and co-pays everywhere. I never guessed anyone would be celebrating to turn 65 years old, to get on Medicare, but that's what is happening due to insurance costs. There is just no way to avoid them.

I think one of the biggest flaws in the ACA is that the rates increase too drastically for those who are older. The rates should be more level across all age groups. For instance, my policy costs $350, but in ten more years it will be about $500 when I am in my 60's. If I was ten years younger, it would only be around $250. I realize they have set rates based on risk and that as we age the risk increases greatly. The problem is that everyone needs to be able to afford the insurance. Unfortunately, unless we address the real reasons that healthcare is so expensive, this is not going to change.

Worst thing about Obamacare is that it was forced everyone, even those wanting nothing to do with the socialist entitlement.
So much for freedom of choice

Yeah, there's not too many that like O-care--but you certainly can't blame Republicans in congress for it. Not a single one of them voted for it.

They didn't vote for it but they funded it (after they said they wouldn't).

 

[oreo]

A vote for Hillary is just another vote for the NWO where the wealthy people from around the world will tell We The People exactly how we are going to live. Bush is the same thing.

And we thought we had herd the last from the Dylan Avery crowd....

The coming election will be for the outsiders because the people do not want more of the same. So what if Trump dismantles the GOP, it is what the people want. Dismantling of government on many levels. The GOP must become the party of small government or die.

It should be a heck of a funeral then.

Those who benefit the most from the "big" governent are the ones who lest like the "big" government (on paper at least). Dallas was decimated by tornadoes this week. So was the mid-west. A few years back, Rick Perry (R.-Texas) couldn't put out a wild fire. The same state was hit with Hurricane Ike. FEMA was (and will be there) every step of the way. In AL, there are entire counties where a 1/4 of the population is on SS Disability (490: Trends With Benefits). Poor red states receive much more aid than they pay in to the Federal Government (not always their fault by the way):

The Dems already have the party of big government sewn up. They will eventually kill this country and turn it into a third world country of corruption run by the elites. Don't listen to these libs as this election will not be like anything we have seen in generations. It is the election to see if we regain control of our country or if our government gains total control over us.


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Blah blah blah....It's like this in every election. Some fools like yourself love to set the tone of "either we vote the way I see it" or we're doomed. Everyone running for Office (outside of Trump and possibly Carson) respects the rule of law, loves the nation, and genuinely thinks they are the best person for the job based on some criteria. The foundations of our republic were laid by giants so they could withstand the abuse of pygmies. Either way, we're going to no only persevere but prevail.

It's too bad "Federal aid" only goes to progressives...

Donald Trump knows how important it is to win the Hispanic vote in order to win the White house, but his supporters don't. Just another tidbit of critical information that right wing talk radio never informed their listeners of.

2012 FLASHBACK: Donald Trump Said GOP Was Too ‘Mean-Spirited’ Towards Illegal Immigrants
Trump supported path to citizenship, said Romney was "mean-spirited" on immigration | RedState

 

[Rustic]

A vote for Hillary is just another vote for the NWO where the wealthy people from around the world will tell We The People exactly how we are going to live. Bush is the same thing.

And we thought we had herd the last from the Dylan Avery crowd....

The coming election will be for the outsiders because the people do not want more of the same. So what if Trump dismantles the GOP, it is what the people want. Dismantling of government on many levels. The GOP must become the party of small government or die.

It should be a heck of a funeral then.

Those who benefit the most from the "big" governent are the ones who lest like the "big" government (on paper at least). Dallas was decimated by tornadoes this week. So was the mid-west. A few years back, Rick Perry (R.-Texas) couldn't put out a wild fire. The same state was hit with Hurricane Ike. FEMA was (and will be there) every step of the way. In AL, there are entire counties where a 1/4 of the population is on SS Disability (490: Trends With Benefits). Poor red states receive much more aid than they pay in to the Federal Government (not always their fault by the way):

The Dems already have the party of big government sewn up. They will eventually kill this country and turn it into a third world country of corruption run by the elites. Don't listen to these libs as this election will not be like anything we have seen in generations. It is the election to see if we regain control of our country or if our government gains total control over us.


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Blah blah blah....It's like this in every election. Some fools like yourself love to set the tone of "either we vote the way I see it" or we're doomed. Everyone running for Office (outside of Trump and possibly Carson) respects the rule of law, loves the nation, and genuinely thinks they are the best person for the job based on some criteria. The foundations of our republic were laid by giants so they could withstand the abuse of pygmies. Either way, we're going to no only persevere but prevail.

It's too bad "Federal aid" only goes to progressives...

Donald Trump knows how important it is to win the Hispanic vote in order to win the White house, but his supporters don't. Just another tidbit of critical information that right wing talk radio never informed their listeners of.

2012 FLASHBACK: Donald Trump Said GOP Was Too ‘Mean-Spirited’ Towards Illegal Immigrants
Trump supported path to citizenship, said Romney was "mean-spirited" on immigration | RedState

A Pathway To citizenship must be earned not given, for it to mean anything...

 

[oreo]

A vote for Hillary is just another vote for the NWO where the wealthy people from around the world will tell We The People exactly how we are going to live. Bush is the same thing.

And we thought we had herd the last from the Dylan Avery crowd....

The coming election will be for the outsiders because the people do not want more of the same. So what if Trump dismantles the GOP, it is what the people want. Dismantling of government on many levels. The GOP must become the party of small government or die.

It should be a heck of a funeral then.

Those who benefit the most from the "big" governent are the ones who lest like the "big" government (on paper at least). Dallas was decimated by tornadoes this week. So was the mid-west. A few years back, Rick Perry (R.-Texas) couldn't put out a wild fire. The same state was hit with Hurricane Ike. FEMA was (and will be there) every step of the way. In AL, there are entire counties where a 1/4 of the population is on SS Disability (490: Trends With Benefits). Poor red states receive much more aid than they pay in to the Federal Government (not always their fault by the way):

The Dems already have the party of big government sewn up. They will eventually kill this country and turn it into a third world country of corruption run by the elites. Don't listen to these libs as this election will not be like anything we have seen in generations. It is the election to see if we regain control of our country or if our government gains total control over us.


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Blah blah blah....It's like this in every election. Some fools like yourself love to set the tone of "either we vote the way I see it" or we're doomed. Everyone running for Office (outside of Trump and possibly Carson) respects the rule of law, loves the nation, and genuinely thinks they are the best person for the job based on some criteria. The foundations of our republic were laid by giants so they could withstand the abuse of pygmies. Either way, we're going to no only persevere but prevail.

It's too bad "Federal aid" only goes to progressives...

Donald Trump knows how important it is to win the Hispanic vote in order to win the White house, but his supporters don't. Just another tidbit of critical information that right wing talk radio never informed their listeners of.

2012 FLASHBACK: Donald Trump Said GOP Was Too ‘Mean-Spirited’ Towards Illegal Immigrants
Trump supported path to citizenship, said Romney was "mean-spirited" on immigration | RedState

A Pathway To citizenship must be earned not given, for it to mean anything...

The point is--that Trump is on record for blasting Republicans in 2012 for losing citing they were too mean spirited toward illegals as the reason for the loss, but his supporters don't know that he said that. It's because they were never told that by right wing talk show hosts.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope--Ronald Reagan did not pander to religious groups, nor did he ever mention Welfare Queens or attack certain groups of people. He was a Uniter, and that's why he won in two historic landslides. His second term being a 49 state landslide. No one else in the history of this country has ever done that. He was a moderate Republican but strong on fiscal and military that appealed to everyone. Reagan Democrats came out in the millions to vote for him.

Well, no, they didn't. In fact, in 1980, Reagan barely cleared 50% of the vote. It was only because the anti-Reagan vote was split between Carter and John Anderson that he won.

And yes, Reagan DID invent the term "Welfare Queen".

1984 he won because Mondale was simply an awful candidate most Democrats didn't want. The AFL-CIO and Democratic Establishment pushed him on the electorate.

the thing is, 1984 was a different electorate. Whites still made up 86% of the electorate, compared to the 72% they made up when the Weird Mormon Robot lost to Obama.

Also, you probably need to be careful about this notion of "Reagan Democrats". They can probably be more properly called "Nixon Democrats", because Nixon was the guy who used fear of the Darkies and the feminists and the gays and the hippies to get these fools to vote against their own economic interest. Reagan and the Bush Crime Family just kept using the same playbook. And it worked up until 1988.

today, not so much. Minorities aren't buying anything you are selling. Women realize they need birth control.

 

[JoeB131]

Your comment Welfare Queen rhetoric didn't come out until the mid-90's when Clinton was in office.

Educating your stupid ass never gets tiresome.

Ronald Reagan’s “welfare queen” myth: How the Gipper kickstarted the war on the working poor

And so it was that Ronald Reagan, preparing his run for the presidency during a period when discontent with this stepchild of the welfare state was particularly high, found an issue with broad appeal and seized on it as a way to differentiate himself from his more moderate opponent. His stump speech soon began to feature the “welfare queen”—a villain who was duping the government in a grand style. Unlike the average American, she wasn’t expected to work or marry. The father or fathers of her offspring were given a pass on the responsibility of caring for the children they sired.

The campaign even found a woman who became the symbol of all that was wrong with welfare. In a speech in January 1976, Reagan announced that she “[has] used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans benefits for four nonexistent, deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year.” As he punctuated the dollar value with just the right intonation, audible gasps could be heard from the crowd.

 

[davecmarino]

A vote for Hillary is just another vote for the NWO where the wealthy people from around the world will tell We The People exactly how we are going to live. Bush is the same thing.

And we thought we had herd the last from the Dylan Avery crowd....

The coming election will be for the outsiders because the people do not want more of the same. So what if Trump dismantles the GOP, it is what the people want. Dismantling of government on many levels. The GOP must become the party of small government or die.

It should be a heck of a funeral then.

Those who benefit the most from the "big" governent are the ones who lest like the "big" government (on paper at least). Dallas was decimated by tornadoes this week. So was the mid-west. A few years back, Rick Perry (R.-Texas) couldn't put out a wild fire. The same state was hit with Hurricane Ike. FEMA was (and will be there) every step of the way. In AL, there are entire counties where a 1/4 of the population is on SS Disability (490: Trends With Benefits). Poor red states receive much more aid than they pay in to the Federal Government (not always their fault by the way):

The Dems already have the party of big government sewn up. They will eventually kill this country and turn it into a third world country of corruption run by the elites. Don't listen to these libs as this election will not be like anything we have seen in generations. It is the election to see if we regain control of our country or if our government gains total control over us.


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Blah blah blah....It's like this in every election. Some fools like yourself love to set the tone of "either we vote the way I see it" or we're doomed. Everyone running for Office (outside of Trump and possibly Carson) respects the rule of law, loves the nation, and genuinely thinks they are the best person for the job based on some criteria. The foundations of our republic were laid by giants so they could withstand the abuse of pygmies. Either way, we're going to no only persevere but prevail.

It's too bad "Federal aid" only goes to progressives...

Donald Trump knows how important it is to win the Hispanic vote in order to win the White house, but his supporters don't. Just another tidbit of critical information that right wing talk radio never informed their listeners of.

2012 FLASHBACK: Donald Trump Said GOP Was Too ‘Mean-Spirited’ Towards Illegal Immigrants
Trump supported path to citizenship, said Romney was "mean-spirited" on immigration | RedState

A Pathway To citizenship must be earned not given, for it to mean anything...

The point is--that Trump is on record for blasting Republicans in 2012 for losing citing they were too mean spirited toward illegals as the reason for the loss, but his supporters don't know that he said that. It's because they were never told that by right wing talk show hosts.

No you assume his supporters don't know, just as you assume Trump and his supporters are against immigrants. They are not. They are against illegal immigration. They are against a broken system that increases poverty in America.


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[S.J.]

Well, no, they didn't. In fact, in 1980, Reagan barely cleared 50% of the vote. It was only because the anti-Reagan vote was split between Carter and John Anderson that he won.

And yes, Reagan DID invent the term "Welfare Queen".

1984 he won because Mondale was simply an awful candidate most Democrats didn't want. The AFL-CIO and Democratic Establishment pushed him on the electorate.

Anderson was a Republican. He siphoned more votes from Reagan than Carter.
Doesn't matter who coined the term "welfare queen", it is a reality and it needed to be addressed.
Mondale was the best candidate the Democrats had. The reason he lost is because Reagan was a great leader. I know that drives you liberals up the wall but nothing you can say or do will change that fact.

 

[JoeB131]

Anderson was a Republican. He siphoned more votes from Reagan than Carter.

Uh, no, he wouldn't have. Anderson was a liberal republican from suburban IL, he really drained more votes from Carter than Reagan. In fact, most polls showed that the race was a lot tighter between Carter and Reagan with Anderson removed from the mix.

Doesn't matter who coined the term "welfare queen", it is a reality and it needed to be addressed.

Well, no. The fact is, most people on welfare did not fit the stereotype. The woman this described was one particularly gifted grifter who did scam the system using illegal fraud, and she went to prison for it.

Mondale was the best candidate the Democrats had. The reason he lost is because Reagan was a great leader. I know that drives you liberals up the wall but nothing you can say or do will change that fact.

Uh, no Mondale was an awful candidate who spent most of his time pandering to the base.

Reagan was a great leader who tripled the national debt, and sold the country out to the Japanese (who paid him a big old bribe when he left office).

 

[S.J.]

Anderson was a Republican. He siphoned more votes from Reagan than Carter.

Uh, no, he wouldn't have. Anderson was a liberal republican from suburban IL, he really drained more votes from Carter than Reagan. In fact, most polls showed that the race was a lot tighter between Carter and Reagan with Anderson removed from the mix.

Doesn't matter who coined the term "welfare queen", it is a reality and it needed to be addressed.

Well, no. The fact is, most people on welfare did not fit the stereotype. The woman this described was one particularly gifted grifter who did scam the system using illegal fraud, and she went to prison for it.

Mondale was the best candidate the Democrats had. The reason he lost is because Reagan was a great leader. I know that drives you liberals up the wall but nothing you can say or do will change that fact.

Uh, no Mondale was an awful candidate who spent most of his time pandering to the base.

Reagan was a great leader who tripled the national debt, and sold the country out to the Japanese (who paid him a big old bribe when he left office).

3 opinions, zero references. Typical.

 

[JoeB131]

3 opinions, zero references. Typical.

I don't do links, because you guys never read them, anyway. Paticularly because I documented the welfare queen thing earlier in the thread and no one admitted I was right on that one. YOu just keep repeating the same claims, no matter how many times you are refuted.

 

[S.J.]

3 opinions, zero references. Typical.

I don't do links, because you guys never read them, anyway. Paticularly because I documented the welfare queen thing earlier in the thread and no one admitted I was right on that one. YOu just keep repeating the same claims, no matter how many times you are refuted.

In other words, you have nothing. Thank you.

 

[skye]

late to the show but...

love Savage and adore A. Jones!

don't know much of Limbaugh ...not interest on him...don't follow him

but the others I do like! very much!

 

[oreo]

Anderson was a Republican. He siphoned more votes from Reagan than Carter.

Uh, no, he wouldn't have. Anderson was a liberal republican from suburban IL, he really drained more votes from Carter than Reagan. In fact, most polls showed that the race was a lot tighter between Carter and Reagan with Anderson removed from the mix.

Doesn't matter who coined the term "welfare queen", it is a reality and it needed to be addressed.

Well, no. The fact is, most people on welfare did not fit the stereotype. The woman this described was one particularly gifted grifter who did scam the system using illegal fraud, and she went to prison for it.

Mondale was the best candidate the Democrats had. The reason he lost is because Reagan was a great leader. I know that drives you liberals up the wall but nothing you can say or do will change that fact.

Uh, no Mondale was an awful candidate who spent most of his time pandering to the base.

Reagan was a great leader who tripled the national debt, and sold the country out to the Japanese (who paid him a big old bribe when he left office).

I don't think you call the Reagan/Carter race a tight one--LOL It was a very early night.

Reagan V Carter 1980

 

[skye]

Michael Savage

and


Alex Jones


they are the best!

bless them !!!!!

God I adore them both.....please never never die....I adore you both!


May GOD bless you both!

 

[oreo]

late to the show but...

love Savage and adore A. Jones!

don't know much of Limbaugh ...not interest on him...don't follow him

but the others I do like! very much!

I have heard that Savage is a big promoter of Donald Trump. I don't listen to right wing talk radio, or tune into FOX news. But again it's what Savage is NOT telling you that is the problem. (Like) the GOP nominee, since Reagan has to capture at least 40% of the Hispanic vote to win the White House. That Donald Trump is losing women by 2 to 1 & is polling at a Negative 75% with Hispanics. That Republican Latino's have already refused to support Donald Trump if he is the nominee.
The GOP's woman problem goes beyond Trump
GOP Win Will Need More Than 40 Percent Of Latino 2016 Vote, Says Study
Poll: 75% of Latinos Have Negative View of Donald Trump
Latino conservatives: If Donald Trump is the nominee, we will not work to elect him

Donald Trump knows how important Hispanics are to Republicans regarding winning the White House, but his supporters don't. It's because Savage never told you any of that either.
2012 FLASHBACK: Donald Trump Said GOP Was Too ‘Mean-Spirited’ Towards Illegal Immigrants
Trump supported path to citizenship, said Romney was "mean-spirited" on immigration | RedState

Again the reason that right wing talk radio is leaving out this information, is because the very worst thing that could happen to those Obscene Profit margins is that Hillary Clinton LOSES this election. Michael Savage being one of them--that likes ratings and $$$$$

 

[skye]

you have verbal diarrhea. ^^^^

I am not
reading it

 

[JoeB131]

I don't think you call the Reagan/Carter race a tight one--LOL It was a very early night.

So were both of Obama's victories, but I don't see you guys giving him any credit for that.

So Reagan did very well with the 18th century anachornism. Good on him, I Guess.

But half the country didn't really want the old fool.