CorvusRexus
The Raven King
- Mar 6, 2014
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little man,when will you learn ALMIGHTY GOD makes the rules not you. God's word says there is no amount of "good" works that will save you but if you have accepted JESUS as your Lord and Savior you will want to do good works, not to buy your salvation but because you have salvation bought for you with the blood and life of JESUS on that Roman cross.
Okay. So Jesus died on the cross to save only those who would worship him.
I do believe Jesus said (I forget the verses) that you should love your neighbor as yourself and your enemies, as well. For he said that even pagans do good to those who do good to them. Why would Jesus so carelessly abandon his teachings and only save a select few who worship him? Jesus gave his life for all people. Jesus just wants people to know that he sacrificed himself for our wellbeing.
Only the elect are saved.
Romans 9 (ESV)
I am speaking the truth in ChristI am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but Through Isaac shall your offspring be named. This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or badin order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls she was told, The older will serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,
Those who were not my people I will call my people,
and her who was not beloved I will call beloved.
And in the very place where it was said to them, You are not my people,
there they will be called sons of the living God.
And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.
And as Isaiah predicted,
If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
we would have been like Sodom
and become like Gomorrah.
What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,
Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.
Sorry, I've decided to stop arguing like a literalist.
Quoting Paul and Isaiah to face Jesus doesn't quite stack up.
Are you going to start using all of Paul's teachings? There are some pretty interesting ones in there.