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I am just dealing with the facts that have been presented by officials of Palestine and Israel which support each other. Should there be other facts which run contrary to those then we actually have a reason to disagree otherwise an official statement is controlling, not sentiment.Let me make this simple Sherlock: Samer was released ON CONDITION. He violated that condition. What's so complicated about that?you should either learn to read or learn to tell the truth.
let me make it simple.
ireland was neutral.
perhaps you and marg (and connery) have heard off petitioning the court for aa violation off probation, a hearing, and due process.
perhaps you can show me something to indicate that this has occurred.
pleas remember, i am irish and quite familiar with diplock courts, supergrass testimony, and the heinous crome of having an "O" or "Mac" in front of your last name requiring administrative detention. such unust detention is what the irish republican army was founded on. lock up a bunch of innocent peeps without charge or trial and they are angry and get to talking and boom,,,canary wharf...boom...airey naeve...boom...narrow water...boom...lord mountbatton and eighteen paras...and why...internment without trial, aka administrative detention.
sow your dragon's teeth...boom.
charge them or let them go.
i imagine there are some israeli settlers ripe for "administratve detention" but not ready.
bobby sands brought england to her knees because he woke the world up to british injustice and intransigence..
how exactly did samer violate parole. by not supply thee israelis with enough sweets to wash the taste of sour grapes out of their mouths. how did he violate his probation exactly.
Given the murderous nature of Samer's associates and their continual attempts to attack Israeli civilians - I would not be willing to risk the lives of his intended victims by naming them in such a public venue.
Especially not in a forum where certain posters have been known to gloat about the idea of Jews being murdered.
Names are not necessary, we have the officials who have spoken within their respective capacities for their governments; Israel and Palestine regrading Sammi. The burden is on sherri to show it is false as she disagrees with these findings.
Should sherri remain silent these reports will be considered controlling as the facts of this thread and Sammi the terrorist who attempted to murder civilians.
I am just dealing with the facts that have been presented by officials of Palestine and Israel which support each other. Should there be other facts which run contrary to those then we actually have a reason to disagree otherwise an official statement is controlling, not sentiment.Let me make this simple Sherlock: Samer was released ON CONDITION. He violated that condition. What's so complicated about that?
perhaps you and marg (and connery) have heard off petitioning the court for aa violation off probation, a hearing, and due process.
perhaps you can show me something to indicate that this has occurred.
pleas remember, i am irish and quite familiar with diplock courts, supergrass testimony, and the heinous crome of having an "O" or "Mac" in front of your last name requiring administrative detention. such unust detention is what the irish republican army was founded on. lock up a bunch of innocent peeps without charge or trial and they are angry and get to talking and boom,,,canary wharf...boom...airey naeve...boom...narrow water...boom...lord mountbatton and eighteen paras...and why...internment without trial, aka administrative detention.
sow your dragon's teeth...boom.
charge them or let them go.
i imagine there are some israeli settlers ripe for "administratve detention" but not ready.
bobby sands brought england to her knees because he woke the world up to british injustice and intransigence..
how exactly did samer violate parole. by not supply thee israelis with enough sweets to wash the taste of sour grapes out of their mouths. how did he violate his probation exactly.
. And yes, I know I'm not Connery.Given the murderous nature of Samer's associates and their continual attempts to attack Israeli civilians - I would not be willing to risk the lives of his intended victims by naming them in such a public venue.
Especially not in a forum where certain posters have been known to gloat about the idea of Jews being murdered.
Names are not necessary, we have the officials who have spoken within their respective capacities for their governments; Israel and Palestine regrading Sammi. The burden is on sherri to show it is false as she disagrees with these findings.
Should sherri remain silent these reports will be considered controlling as the facts of this thread and Sammi the terrorist who attempted to murder civilians.
Connery,
I am sorry but secret evidence does not cut it, due process requires defendants be presented with evidence against them and given a fair trial and be tried for crimes that are internationally recognized as crimes. First, you are not the defendant. Second, please produce the source for your contention that this is all required in every country in the world: I was unaware of any 'universal' code of law which had been signed by both Israel and the Palestinian leadership
You APPEAR to be insisting that something is ONLCY a 'crime' if it's been*internationally* recognized as such. You may want to check with a few nations on that, ones that have laws against 'blasphemy' and suchlike.
Traveling between two places in Occupied East Jerusalem is not a legally recognized crime under intl law that a person can be criminally tried for and incarcerated for.And you have a specific reference for that?
Burden for criminal tries is on the government to prove guilt, not on the defendant to prove innocence.
I do not have to prove anything, where do you get your ideas about criminal justice from?
When you called others 'LIAR", you were making an accusation: it's therefore incumbent upon you to prove your accusation.
Why, that was certainly a stupid question for me to ask, duh, you get these ideas from Fascist Israel, of course!No, it was a stupid 'question' for you to bring up while you want to keep claiming to be an attorney
Sherri
I am just dealing with the facts that have been presented by officials of Palestine and Israel which support each other. Should there be other facts which run contrary to those then we actually have a reason to disagree otherwise an official statement is controlling, not sentiment.perhaps you and marg (and connery) have heard off petitioning the court for aa violation off probation, a hearing, and due process.
perhaps you can show me something to indicate that this has occurred.
pleas remember, i am irish and quite familiar with diplock courts, supergrass testimony, and the heinous crome of having an "O" or "Mac" in front of your last name requiring administrative detention. such unust detention is what the irish republican army was founded on. lock up a bunch of innocent peeps without charge or trial and they are angry and get to talking and boom,,,canary wharf...boom...airey naeve...boom...narrow water...boom...lord mountbatton and eighteen paras...and why...internment without trial, aka administrative detention.
sow your dragon's teeth...boom.
charge them or let them go.
i imagine there are some israeli settlers ripe for "administratve detention" but not ready.
bobby sands brought england to her knees because he woke the world up to british injustice and intransigence..
how exactly did samer violate parole. by not supply thee israelis with enough sweets to wash the taste of sour grapes out of their mouths. how did he violate his probation exactly.
what facts are there that he violated his probation and who petitioned the courts.
administrative detenion is just a euphemism for internment without trial.
need i bring up japanese americans or do i have to go to the extreme and bring up german and polish jews. obviously there are differences, but the concept is the same.
Have you entertained the thought of going to Israel, learn them Jews about justice and whip 'em into shape? To get their act together?Given the murderous nature of Samer's associates and their continual attempts to attack Israeli civilians - I would not be willing to risk the lives of his intended victims by naming them in such a public venue.
Especially not in a forum where certain posters have been known to gloat about the idea of Jews being murdered.
Names are not necessary, we have the officials who have spoken within their respective capacities for their governments; Israel and Palestine regrading Sammi. The burden is on sherri to show it is false as she disagrees with these findings.
Should sherri remain silent these reports will be considered controlling as the facts of this thread and Sammi the terrorist who attempted to murder civilians.
Connery,
I am sorry but secret evidence does not cut it, due process requires defendants be presented with evidence against them and given a fair trial and be tried for crimes that are internationally recognized as crimes.
Traveling between two places in Occupied East Jerusalem is not a legally recognized crime under intl law that a person can be criminally tried for and incarcerated for.
Burden for criminal tries is on the government to prove guilt, not on the defendant to prove innocence.
I do not have to prove anything, where do you get your ideas about criminal justice from?
Why, that was certainly a stupid question for me to ask, duh, you get these ideas from Fascist Israel, of course!
Sherri
Have you entertained the thought of going to Israel, learn them Jews about justice and whip 'em into shape? To get their act together?Names are not necessary, we have the officials who have spoken within their respective capacities for their governments; Israel and Palestine regrading Sammi. The burden is on sherri to show it is false as she disagrees with these findings.
Should sherri remain silent these reports will be considered controlling as the facts of this thread and Sammi the terrorist who attempted to murder civilians.
Connery,
I am sorry but secret evidence does not cut it, due process requires defendants be presented with evidence against them and given a fair trial and be tried for crimes that are internationally recognized as crimes.
Traveling between two places in Occupied East Jerusalem is not a legally recognized crime under intl law that a person can be criminally tried for and incarcerated for.
Burden for criminal tries is on the government to prove guilt, not on the defendant to prove innocence.
I do not have to prove anything, where do you get your ideas about criminal justice from?
Why, that was certainly a stupid question for me to ask, duh, you get these ideas from Fascist Israel, of course!
Sherri
It doesn't give Israel the jurisdictional authority to even make those charges, so Samer should not be punished for a crime he didn't commit. Because until someone is charged, tried and found guilty, you cannot say he did what you said he did.Loinie, 'international law' does not sanction the kinds of attacks which Samer was charged with, attacking college students on their way to class and providing weapons for other such attempted murders of civilians.
He called my argument a "turd", I couldn't let that go!The rest of your post is either irrelevant or a disgusting personal attack and name-calling which is unworthy of response.
And your OPINION on that is any more meaningful than anyone else's why, exactly?You have no credibility sherri. Indeed, you have been shown to be a liar many times in this and other threads.
Now why don't you post material that disputes what has been cited by the recognized source I posted.
i recognise caamera as a pro-israeli propaganda rag and, as such, lacks credibility.
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I would imagine that you don't think it very strange that a woman who allegedly is a "good Christian" is not on at least one other forum talking about what the Muslims are doing to her fellow Christians in Muslim countries, but instead spends her entire days running around the Internet just bashing the Jews and Israel. There are Christian groups in these countries putting their lives in danger reporting on what is happening, and from the safety of her own home she can't even spend a few minutes each day on one other forum condemning what is happening to her supposedly fellow Christians? Let me pick a line from Hamlet -- Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.Have you entertained the thought of going to Israel, learn them Jews about justice and whip 'em into shape? To get their act together?Connery,
I am sorry but secret evidence does not cut it, due process requires defendants be presented with evidence against them and given a fair trial and be tried for crimes that are internationally recognized as crimes.
Traveling between two places in Occupied East Jerusalem is not a legally recognized crime under intl law that a person can be criminally tried for and incarcerated for.
Burden for criminal tries is on the government to prove guilt, not on the defendant to prove innocence.
I do not have to prove anything, where do you get your ideas about criminal justice from?
Why, that was certainly a stupid question for me to ask, duh, you get these ideas from Fascist Israel, of course!
Sherri
sherri has been talking abot israelis and israel, not jews. sometimes, it is appropriate to cross reference them but i haven't noticed her doing that.
It doesn't give Israel the jurisdictional authority to even make those charges, so Samer should not be punished for a crime he didn't commit. Because until someone is charged, tried and found guilty, you cannot say he did what you said he did.Loinie, 'international law' does not sanction the kinds of attacks which Samer was charged with, attacking college students on their way to class and providing weapons for other such attempted murders of civilians.
He called my argument a "turd", I couldn't let that go!The rest of your post is either irrelevant or a disgusting personal attack and name-calling which is unworthy of response.
He had to be disciplined!
It doesn't give Israel the jurisdictional authority to even make those charges, so Samer should not be punished for a Crimea he didn't commit. Because until someone is charged, tried and found guilty, you cannot say he did what you said he did.Loinie, 'international law' does not sanction the kinds of attacks which Samer was charged with, attacking college students on their way to class and providing weapons for other such attempted murders of civilians.
He called my argument a "turd", I couldn't let that go!The rest of your post is either irrelevant or a disgusting personal attack and name-calling which is unworthy of response.
He had to be disciplined!
Given the murderous nature of Samer's associates and their continual attempts to attack Israeli civilians - I would not be willing to risk the lives of his intended victims by naming them in such a public venue.
Especially not in a forum where certain posters have been known to gloat about the idea of Jews being murdered.
Sherri, until you stop the personal attacks and defamatory 'asides' there is nothing to discuss.
Do try again, Sherri - that last post was simply an extended 'ad hom' and not worthy of address.
Given the murderous nature of Samer's associates and their continual attempts to attack Israeli civilians - I would not be willing to risk the lives of his intended victims by naming them in such a public venue.
Especially not in a forum where certain posters have been known to gloat about the idea of Jews being murdered.
Having so called murdreous associates is not a crime. If it were, you would be locked up, for your associations with Israel and defending Isreal's war criminals here on this discussion board.
Israel has yet to come up with a new crime to charge Samer Issawi with and until they do, his detention remains unlawful, and the other four hunger strikers are likewise being detained unlawfully.
Looking at the extensive numbers of prisoners held unlawfully like Samer, with no charges that constitute valid crime sunder intl law standards lodged against them, held outside the occupied territories in complete violation of intl law, I would call these unlawful administrative detentions grave violations of The Fourth Geneva Convention and war crimes.
These administrative detention practices need to be taken before The Criminal Court In THe Hague.
Sherri
