Save the planet - buy an electric car

[AntonToo]

First of all not all fossil sources are the same. Last time I checked no one uses gasoline to make electricity.

Secondly part of electricity already comes from non-fossil sources and if really needed to we could make 100% of our electricity from non-fossil sources.

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 3-6 times more. (Price per mile)

Batteries are recyclable

Next question.

 

[Redfish]

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 6 times more. (Price per mile)

Next question.

so burning fossil fuels to create electricity, putting it in the grid, charging the batteries, using the battery charge to turn the wheels, run the AC, radio, etc is 6 times more efficient than just running the gasoline through an internal combustion engine? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

 

[AntonToo]

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 6 times more. (Price per mile)

Next question.

so burning fossil fuels to create electricity, putting it in the grid, charging the batteries, using the battery charge to turn the wheels, run the AC, radio, etc is 6 times more efficient than just running the gasoline through an internal combustion engine? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

By gowd, I didn’t realize gasoline is magical, appears in engine by itself and things just happen.

What’s your number?

 

[Rustic]

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 3-6 times more. (Price per mile)

Batteries are recyclable

Next question.

Why don’t you keep your clown cars to yourselves if they are so great?

Myself, I would not be caught dead in a Prius… LOL

 

[Thinker101]

Sounds more like a tax on the rich. The problem is, middle class should be driving these. And putting a huge increase like that defeats the purpose. How about raising the cost to operate a gas guzzler instead. Or tax more on those things that pollute the air and water.

The Electric car is the future but not if only the rich can afford them.

and where does the electricity to recharge them come from? does it just pop up out of the air?

There is a net energy loss when transferring from fossil fuel to grid to battery.

Also, the spent batteries are toxic, where do you propose that we dispose of them?

electric cars are not the answer, sorry dude.

First of all not all fossil sources are the same. Last time I checked no one uses gasoline to make electricity.

Secondly part of electricity already comes from non-fossil sources and if really needed to we could make 100% of our electricity from non-fossil sources.

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

It comes out of the wall silly.

 

[Redfish]

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 6 times more. (Price per mile)

Next question.

so burning fossil fuels to create electricity, putting it in the grid, charging the batteries, using the battery charge to turn the wheels, run the AC, radio, etc is 6 times more efficient than just running the gasoline through an internal combustion engine? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

By gowd, I didn’t realize gasoline is magical.

What’s your number?

I dont have one, but its not logical that the total energy use would be less using electric power than internal combustion because electric cars require several more energy transfers before the wheels turn and at each transfer there is a loss of energy.

gasoline powered cars are very efficient today, most get in excess of 20 MPG at highway speeds. There is a lot more to consider in an electric than just the battery to motor to wheels cycle. Somehow the energy needs to get into the battery. Do you get that?

 

[Redfish]

and where does the electricity to recharge them come from? does it just pop up out of the air?

There is a net energy loss when transferring from fossil fuel to grid to battery.

Also, the spent batteries are toxic, where do you propose that we dispose of them?

electric cars are not the answer, sorry dude.

First of all not all fossil sources are the same. Last time I checked no one uses gasoline to make electricity.

Secondly part of electricity already comes from non-fossil sources and if really needed to we could make 100% of our electricity from non-fossil sources.

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

It comes out of the wall silly.

ah, yes. why didnt I think of that?

 

[Hiryuu]

I dont have one, but its not logical that the total energy use would be less using electric power than internal combustion because electric cars require several more energy transfers before the wheels turn and at each transfer there is a loss of energy.

gasoline powered cars are very efficient today, most get in excess of 20 MPG at highway speeds. There is a lot more to consider in an electric than just the battery to motor to wheels cycle. Somehow the energy needs to get into the battery. Do you get that?

Uh, they think they are managing poverty with welfare, they think they are fixing education by pouring more money into a broken system, they think they are going to fix everything by spending more money than the rich actually have even if they could tax it out of them, so what makes you believe they are intelligent enough to understand they cannot fix the climate driving a electric car?

 

[Likkmee]

Better option:
Buy electric car.
Fill car with close relatives
Drive car off cliff.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yup, buy an electric car to save the planet and save on fossil fuel. Oh wait, it may cost you a few extra bucks to buy the vehicle, and a few more bucks to support the State.

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

The facts have not changed.

Hybrid cars it electriic cars damage the environment more than internal combustion cars.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Sounds more like a tax on the rich. The problem is, middle class should be driving these. And putting a huge increase like that defeats the purpose. How about raising the cost to operate a gas guzzler instead. Or tax more on those things that pollute the air and water.

The Electric car is the future but not if only the rich can afford them.

and where does the electricity to recharge them come from? does it just pop up out of the air?

There is a net energy loss when transferring from fossil fuel to grid to battery.

Also, the spent batteries are toxic, where do you propose that we dispose of them?

electric cars are not the answer, sorry dude.

First of all not all fossil sources are the same. Last time I checked no one uses gasoline to make electricity.

Secondly part of electricity already comes from non-fossil sources and if really needed to we could make 100% of our electricity from non-fossil sources.

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

You keep coming back to those three things like if we don't support just those two things all others will fail. So, once again, let's address just those three and consider all the others cured or easily obtainable (meaning short and medium hauls are better with electrics).

Will there be Electric Long Haul Trucks. Yes. Easy answer. A long haul truck is limited in it's routes and speed. That means that a long haul truck will not be on the highway for longer than 10 hours in a 24 hour period and many companies limit their trucks to 60 and 65 mph due to economics and safety. The average speed of a Diesel Truck will allow it to make about 400 to 500 miles a day. The limit isn't on the Truck. It's on the driver. Yah, Yah, I know, with autonomous trucks and all that. But that is years down the road. Meanwhile, the Tesla Truck is able to do over 500 miles with a heavier load so it already makes the grade. But like all new things, it just takes time to be accepted. And a major shipping company has to buy it first. When that happens, all the others are going to have to follow suit to stay competitive. With the new Maxwell Battery to start full production no later than 2025 and automous systems, it may be able to have a single truck on the road for 22 hours a day not counting offloading and onloading times. In the meantime, we are limited by the driver.

The average for coal power in the US for Power Generation in the US is down to 20% and shrinking each year. Natural Gas has taken most of the load. Hydro Electric has been constant and really won't increase. But Solar and Wind have increased thousands of fold. Around here, the bulk of the Electricity is from Hydro Electric Power. Next comes Natural Gas but more and more Solar and Wind are coming on line every year. In the end, even Natural Gas may still be needed but it won't be the dominant power source. It's going to be only needed during the peak dark, calm times of the day even if you remove the Hydro Power source. On the Hydro Power Source, much of the East and West Coast hasn't touched it's hydro power sources. In Norway, they have taken Fjords and turned them into power generators without affecting fishing (commercial and sport). You don't even know it's there. In comparison, all of these alternative sources, when built, are essentially free when compared to even a Natural Gas powered station. The Natural Gas becomes a backup power source not the primary source. Why aren't we doing more of this? It's a very simple answer. Why can we have a Ford/Toyota Dealership but Teslas (in most states) can only have their own dealership not tied to any other car company by state law? You guessed it. Oil Companies. The Oil and Gas Companies spend billions each year to try and prevent these things from happening. It's not that they can't be done but in reality, they are blocked from being done at a high enough rate. And we both know our Power Grids are extremely outdated and in bad need of repair and upgrading across the nation. Do this and the alternatives may become a reality because you have the power grid to handle it.

Now, on to the disposition of the Battery Material. Europe created a Non Profit 30 years ago to do just this. They have been moving towards electric power that long. And when they decided to move in that direction they decided to create a recycling program for electric batteries both dry and wet cells. You don't just throw batteries away in Europe. You recycle them. Their LIPOs aren't just dumped in the nearest landfill. All portions of it are reused. It's just now become a factor in the US but we have not addressed this problem. It's one we MUST address right now. Luckily, with the Maxwell Solid State Battery coming on line, the really nasty features and dangers of the rechargeables that are all wet cells will be gone. And the cost of recycling will be reduced along with the 5 to 7 year replacement will be gone as well. The solid state battery will be about has hard to recycle as any normal computer component today. Except, it won't be normally be recycled except after the life of the vehicle itself runs out with an over 100K recharge life rate. But for the next 5 years, we are going to have to get our big daddies off their dead ass and get them to get us a recycling program. Not having one is NOT an option.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

and where does the electricity to recharge them come from? does it just pop up out of the air?

There is a net energy loss when transferring from fossil fuel to grid to battery.

Also, the spent batteries are toxic, where do you propose that we dispose of them?

electric cars are not the answer, sorry dude.

First of all not all fossil sources are the same. Last time I checked no one uses gasoline to make electricity.

Secondly part of electricity already comes from non-fossil sources and if really needed to we could make 100% of our electricity from non-fossil sources.

not with current technology we could not make all power from non fossil sources. Maybe some day, but not in the foreseeable future.

an electric car or truck has a max range of 200 or so miles. after that it has to recharge for about 8 hours. Do you really think that would work for someone traveling across the country, or for a long haul trucker?

and you guys never consider the source of the recharge energy or the net energy loss when transferring from grid to battery to wheels to motion.

the day of the Jetsons is not here yet, sorry.

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

Wireless chargers installed in roads..

Wireless execution stations on roads in Texas. Please don't give them any more ideas.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yup, buy an electric car to save the planet and save on fossil fuel. Oh wait, it may cost you a few extra bucks to buy the vehicle, and a few more bucks to support the State.

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

The facts have not changed.

Hybrid cars it electriic cars damage the environment more than internal combustion cars.

Show me your facts. Facts aren't just some hairball making a statement.

 

[Pogo]

Does the looney left ever consider how the electricity that powers these over priced turds is made?
It's like how they have their cute little recycle containers but are oblivious to the fact that most of it ends up in the landfill anyway

Around here, it's made with Natural Gas, Hydroelectric, Solar and Wind. There are, I believe, one coal fired plant left and it's on the chopping block. And WE have the coal but are smart enough not to burn it for electricity. Right now, 20% of all electric power come from Hydro, Solar and Wind. And it gets more and more each year. And are you aware that Hydro, Solar and Wind cost less than either the Coal or Natural Gas plants to operate. The electricity locally here is Hydroelectric. We haven't had a gas or coal fired plant for about 40 years. I can't help it that where you are from, people are dumber than a Box of Rock. Just one rock in that box. A Box of rocks would be smarter.

You keep lumping solar and wind in with hydro power when you know they have nothing to do with each other. Hydro is cheap, but wind and solar are several times more expensive. Furthermore, they require 100% backup from a reliable source of power, like coal.

Not only that but the sound of wind power gives you cancer.

There will always be the Naysayer contingent to any new-improved idea whose profound rumination on the innovation amounts to "will never work".

 

[Pogo]

Does the looney left ever consider how the electricity that powers these over priced turds is made?
It's like how they have their cute little recycle containers but are oblivious to the fact that most of it ends up in the landfill anyway

Around here, it's made with Natural Gas, Hydroelectric, Solar and Wind. There are, I believe, one coal fired plant left and it's on the chopping block. And WE have the coal but are smart enough not to burn it for electricity. Right now, 20% of all electric power come from Hydro, Solar and Wind. And it gets more and more each year. And are you aware that Hydro, Solar and Wind cost less than either the Coal or Natural Gas plants to operate. The electricity locally here is Hydroelectric. We haven't had a gas or coal fired plant for about 40 years. I can't help it that where you are from, people are dumber than a Box of Rock. Just one rock in that box. A Box of rocks would be smarter.

What greases the gears on those facilities?

Politicians? Money? Corruption? Ok, I give up.

Oil. The same type of fossil fuel that is used to make the cars. The same type of fuel that semi trucks use to deliver parts and cars. The same type of fuel that fuels the iron workers that make the frames to those cars.

But let's focus on an individual's tiny part

Apparently that's what you're down to. The oil on the gears.
Must suck to be that desperate.

 

[bripat9643]

Does the looney left ever consider how the electricity that powers these over priced turds is made?
It's like how they have their cute little recycle containers but are oblivious to the fact that most of it ends up in the landfill anyway

Around here, it's made with Natural Gas, Hydroelectric, Solar and Wind. There are, I believe, one coal fired plant left and it's on the chopping block. And WE have the coal but are smart enough not to burn it for electricity. Right now, 20% of all electric power come from Hydro, Solar and Wind. And it gets more and more each year. And are you aware that Hydro, Solar and Wind cost less than either the Coal or Natural Gas plants to operate. The electricity locally here is Hydroelectric. We haven't had a gas or coal fired plant for about 40 years. I can't help it that where you are from, people are dumber than a Box of Rock. Just one rock in that box. A Box of rocks would be smarter.

You keep lumping solar and wind in with hydro power when you know they have nothing to do with each other. Hydro is cheap, but wind and solar are several times more expensive. Furthermore, they require 100% backup from a reliable source of power, like coal.

Not only that but the sound of wind power gives you cancer.

There will always be the Naysayer contingent to any new-improved idea whose profound rumination on the innovation amounts to "will never work".

There will always be "naysayers" for solutions that are worse than the problem.

Perpetual motion machines will never work. Are you here to claim otherwise?

 

[AntonToo]

You need to check your facts.

Current Tesla Model S has up to 370 mile range.

Model S | Tesla

It can recharge 50% of that range in 20 min, 80% in 40 min.

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 3-6 times more. (Price per mile)

Batteries are recyclable

Next question.

Why don’t you keep your clown cars to yourselves if they are so great?

Myself, I would not be caught dead in a Prius… LOL

Clown cars?

Man you need to go take a Tesla out for a spin, will really open your eyes to the future.

I had Model X 6 seater for a weekend, it was like a car that backed up to us from 2030.

 

[Anathema]

Here are my requirements before I’d even consider buying one:

Must not cost any more than a similar style ICE vehicle

Must have a multi-day, single charge range of 350+ miles

Must be rechargeable in >5 minutes

Recharge cannot cost more than a tank of regular unleaded for a similar type ICE vehicle.

Maintenance cost must not exceed comparable ICE vehicle.

 

[Rustic]

OK, but my question remains valid with your clarifications. So how would that work out for a cross country car trip or a long haul trucker? Do you really think there will be electric trucks to replace diesel?

second question: the energy to recharge comes from????

third, how do you dispose of the toxic materials in the batteries when they wear out??

At 65 miles per hour that works out to one hour stop every 5 hours.

But it’s really only one stop for lunch, because you’ll be stoping for the night after 10 hours of driving.

Not as convenient as gasoline, but definitely doable.

so would the creation of the recharging energy be more or less efficient that using gasoline for that trip? Do you know? Do you care? and you have been silent on the issue of disposal of toxic batteries in the environment as well as the energy required to make them in the first place.

More, 3-6 times more. (Price per mile)

Batteries are recyclable

Next question.

Why don’t you keep your clown cars to yourselves if they are so great?

Myself, I would not be caught dead in a Prius… LOL

Clown cars?

Man you need to go take a Tesla out for a spin, will really open your eyes to the future.

I had Model X 6 seater for a weekend, it was like a car that backed up to us from 2030.

Lol
Teslas are pieces of shit, no reliability or consistency....

 

[Andylusion]

Yup, buy an electric car to save the planet and save on fossil fuel. Oh wait, it may cost you a few extra bucks to buy the vehicle, and a few more bucks to support the State.

Illinois might start charging $1,000 per year to own an electric vehicle: 'It's outrageous'

I love it. This is great.

I had been wondering about this for some years now. Most of the money for infrastructure, comes from the gas tax. If you eliminated all taxes from gasoline, it would be about $1 a gallon less expensive.

So I have been wondering for years now, how is the government going to handle dealing with people who no longer buy gasoline? If everyone turns to electric cars like they promote as this big idiotic environmentally progressive move.... then tax revenue for roads and bridges would die off.

Of course that can't happen. If it does, country crashes.

So now we have the answer. The government figured out that most people who drive a gas car, are paying about $1,000 a year in taxes gas tax. So they are simply making the registration fee for an electric car, $1,000. (which based on my rough calculations, that's about what I am paying in taxes for fuel).

Of course now that these left-wing democrap progressive snots are being asked to "pay their fair share"..... they were spitting mad, and having a two-year-old toddler temper tantrum.

Typical left-winger. Demand everyone else pay higher taxes, but not themselves.