Say Again...Who Won The Popular Vote??

[Care4all]

Pop-Quiz!

Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:

"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


Ready?

How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???

C'mon....guess.

YOU would think that you'd do a little homework on your claim....

If you had, then you would know that illegals that can get driver's licenses in certain states, are required by federal law since 2002 to be issued different Driver's Licenses than American citizens, with a space on it that says it's not an ID for Federal use and benefits and they can't vote is part of it.

Also you would know, they have to set up an appointment with drivers license bureau in most if not all of these states and can not just stand in line with citizens and can not be automatically registered to vote as American citizens getting or renewing drivers licenses.

You would also know that the REAL ID Act requires all states to have their citizens getting drivers licenses to show proof of citizenship, or when renewing, they are required now to show proof of citizenship then.

me thinks your laziness and unwillingness to do a little research on your own, has allowed you to believe and spread.... a bunch of HOGWASH.

 

[Bassman007]

Bassman007, post: 16128894

Help Donald Trump make America great again, or shut up and get the f out.

America has long been great. We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be.

"We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be."


Seems you missed this, too.

1. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...st-ground-every-single-economic#ixzz2hihAOpVl


2. (CNSNews.com) – The unemployment rate for black Americans is more than double that of white Americans, according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).... In the numbers released today, covering the month of June, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for black Americans age 16 and over was 10.7%, reported the BLS. The unemployment rate for white Americans in the same age group and time-frame was 5.3%, said the BLS. Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

3. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study




Is stupidity a requirement to be a Liberal???

What PoliticalHack hides from those reading her posts is that black unemployment has always been roughly double that of whites for as long as the BLS tracked such statistics.

What she also doesn't reveal is that black unemployment under Obama went from 12.7% when he was inaugurated, to its post recession high of 16.8% to its current ... 8.1%. Which is only one point higher than its all time low.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

7.1 is not the lowest unemployment rate ever. You are a nerd and a dumb one at that. 4.2 percent is a lot closer to the lowest unemployment rate ever. You want to try again stupid?

You do realize the post was referring to the BLACK unemployment rate?

Since all Americans are equal in my view, and ALL Americans deserve a job and equal treatment, there is no unemployment rate by color.

That said, the above post has been edited to refer to the black unemployment rate.

CIAO.

PS. What would the African American unemployment rate be without 12 million scavenging Mexicans?

Go jump.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cellblock2429, post: 16133927.

We'd link to The NY Times and CNN if they only told both sides of the story.[/QUOTE

There is only one side to this story. The truth and the lies that CHIC and the other rightwing conspiracy theorists are telling,

CNN and NYT don't peddle conspiracy theories. That is why you can't link to them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pop-Quiz!

Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:

"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


Ready?

How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???

C'mon....guess.

YOU would think that you'd do a little homework on your claim....

If you had, then you would know that illegals that can get driver's licenses in certain states, are required by federal law since 2002 to be issued different Driver's Licenses than American citizens, with a space on it that says it's not an ID for Federal use and benefits and they can't vote is part of it.

Also you would know, they have to set up an appointment with drivers license bureau in most if not all of these states and can not just stand in line with citizens and can not be automatically registered to vote as American citizens getting or renewing drivers licenses.

You would also know that the REAL ID Act requires all states to have their citizens getting drivers licenses to show proof of citizenship, or when renewing, they are required now to show proof of citizenship then.

me thinks your laziness and unwillingness to do a little research on your own, has allowed you to believe and spread.... a bunch of HOGWASH.

Pleeeeezzzz....don't be a dunce.

Why do you suppose Democrats give out the 'driver's licenses'????

Wanna see the folks 'checking' for valid documentation?

They close their eyes to the bogus documentation the same way you closed your eyes to the fact that Obama supports infanticide.


You linked to this:
How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???

C'mon......try to answer it.

 

[Faun]

another chump voter?

Hmmm....judging by the election results, those voting for Bill's wife would be the ones correctly characterized as 'chumps.'

True?

NO not yet political,,,,,let see the 4 year results Then we can talk about who the chumpettes really are

Ohhhh! I get it!
If President Trump is a abject and total failure....then we, whoever voted for his....would be chumps!


Excellent analysis!
Judge voters by the results of their voting!


So....you mean that any one who voted for Obama ....both times.....is a double chump!
No other President has chalked up the string of failures that Obama has...in both domestic and foreign policies!

And, of course.....the crowning miscue: making certain that a terrorist nation gets nuclear weapons.
What a buffoon.

Yup!

I agree.



Soooo......you're a double chump?

any one who voted for Obama ....both times.....is a double chump!??? are you a real fool ? tripled the DOW our 1000's of companies skyrocketed Folks made millions Others had a chance to get back what the other repub sb took from them ,,,15 million new jobs In 4 years or 8 if this miserable excuse of a human being is still in office lets look at the results and give it a fair count ,,not like the bs you repubs are throwing

Why must I always have to educate chumps like you?


Perhaps you should pick up a newspaper once in a while....
Take notes:

1. "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.
The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.
“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..."http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0


2. "....US hourly wages have not only not increased for the past 7 years, but for thevast majority of the labor force continue to decline,.... just the month of August will be enough to provide the Trump - and every other - campaign with enough soundbites and pivot points to last it for weeks on end: namely, that in August a whopping 698,000 native-born Americans lost their job. This drop was offset by 204,000 foreign-born Americans, who got a job in the month of August. .... since December 2007, according to the Household Survey, only 790,000 native born American jobs have been added. Contrast that with the 2.1 million foreign-born Americans who have found a job over the same time period..." 698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge


3. October 2015: "Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower" Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower | Zero Hedge




4. "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of the original $2 billion appropriated in 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.
...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
Obamacare Co-Op Mess Causes $1.3 Billion In Losses


5. "Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving


6. "...ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit."
400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



7. "The U.S. expanded at a 2.2% rate through the first nine months of the year, and the economy is projected to grow at a similar pace in the fourth quarter that ends on Dec. 31. If so, the economy will have failed to reach 3% growth for the 10th straight year, marking the slowest stretch since the end of World War II.
Historically the economy has expanded at a 3.3% rate." U.S. economy set to grow less than 3% for the 10th straight year


8. "Congress has now cleared the way for federal debt to pass $20 trillion by the end of the president’s second term. President Obama said the new budget deal will be paid for in a “balanced” and “responsible” way, but on the day the deal was signed, the federal debt jumped $339 billion—a third of a trillion dollars in one day."Societywatch


9. The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2015 is 0.8 percent on January 8, down from 1.0 percent on January 6. The forecast for the contribution of inventory investment to fourth-quarter real GDP growth declined 0.2 percentage points to -0.8 percentage points after this morning's wholesale trade report from the U.S. Census Bureau.GDPNow


10. "Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009 Sales at U.S. retailers declined in December to wrap the weakest year since 2009, raising concern about the momentum in consumer spending heading into 2016. The 0.1 percent drop matched the median forecast of 84 economists surveyed by Bloomberg and followed a 0.4 percent gain in November, Commerce Department figures showed Friday in Washington. For all of 2015, purchases climbed 2.1 percent, the smallest advance of the current economic expansion." Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009


11. " The federal government heavily subsidizes higher education through a complex system of grants and loans. While the programs are great for colleges — they have enabled an astronomical increase in tuition — they contain few measures holding the institutions accountable to their students. As a result, only 59 percent of students graduate from four-year colleges and universities within six years. Those lucky enough to graduate face another hurdle: 44 percent of recent college graduates occupy jobs which do not require a college degree. Taken together, these numbers suggest that only one-third of college enrollees emerge from the system with both a degree and a relevant job." http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/what-free-college-cant-fix/?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRokuq/JZKXonjHpfsX57OkvWaW+lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ARcNkI+SLDwEYGJlv6SgFQ7HBMbhr1rgPWhk=
12. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama's Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion
a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt
b. ".... first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire


13. According to the 2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation, America’s economic freedom has tumbled. With losses of economic freedom in eight of the past nine years, the U.S. has tied its worst score ever, wiping out a decade of progress. Since early 2009:
• Government spending has exploded, amounting to $29,867 per household in 2015.
• The national debt has risen to $125,000 for every tax filing household in America—a total over $18 trillion.
• The government takeover of health care is raising prices and disrupting markets.
• Bailouts and new government regulations have increased uncertainty, stifling investment and job creation. America’s Economic Freedom Has Rapidly Declined Under Obama
14 "Despite the unemployment rate being at an eight-year low (4.9 percent as of January 2016), the number of people on food stamps remains near an all-time high which was 47,636,000 in 2013.
Why the disparity in the numbers? Well, the unemployment rate does not take into account people who are not in, or have dropped out of, the workforce altogether.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported in January of this year that approximately 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce.
We now have a country based on government dependence." Food Stamp Users Near Record High Despite Low Unemployment Rate
15. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study

16. "Employers added more workers in February than projected but wages unexpectedly declined, dashing hopes that reduced slack in the labor market was starting to benefit all Americans..... Average hourly earnings dropped by 0.1 percent from the prior month, the first decline since December 2014 the Labor Department’s figures showed. Worker pay increased 2.2 percent over the 12 months ended in February, less than the 2.5 percent forecast in the Bloomberg survey. Wage growth has been hovering just above 2 percent year-over-year on average since the current expansion began in mid-2009." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report
17. New Obama regulation will deprive middle class investors of access to financial information. "...the controversial pending Department of Labor regulation that would impose new restrictions on a vast swath of financial professionals... a newreport for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, similar restrictions in Great Britain have caused a “guidance gap” in which brokers have largely stopped serving customers with assets less than £150,000 ($240,000).... Such limits on financial discussion may seem to violate the First Amendment..." How Fiduciary Rule May Censor Financial Broadcasters Like Dave Ramsey
“this Obama rule will kill the Middle Class and below ability to access personal advice.”
18. "U.S. retail sales dropped in February and the prior month’s gain was revised to a decline, calling into question the narrative that bigger gains in consumer spending would propel economic growth at the start of 2016. The 0.1 percent decline in purchases followed a revised 0.4 percent January decrease, Commerce Department figures showed Tuesday.... “We’re seeing higher rents, higher healthcare expenses,.... Retail sales excluding autos fell 0.1 percent after a 0.4 percent decrease in January, according to Tuesday’s report." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-fell-in-february-after-january-revised-down
19. "That basic math is why middle class incomes have been in decline under Obama. The Census Bureau reports that since Obama became President 7 years ago, real median household income has fallen by $1,300 a year. Heritage Foundation Chief Economist Steve Moore explained in testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, “At 2 percent growth the economy doesn’t spin off enough jobs to increase wages, and tax revenues grow much too slowly to balance the budget.”
The recession officially ended more than 6 years ago. Wages and incomes have always grown in recoveries, not declined. Moreover, the American historical record is the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. The economy is supposed to boom in a recovery to catch up with its long term economic growth trendline. But over 6 years after the recession ended, that still has not happened. Instead, what we have gotten under President Obama is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression." http://limittaxes.org/2016/02/realizing-the-super-bowl-of-american-economic-growth/
20. "8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down

12 of the 23 taxpayer funded non-profit co-ops created under the Affordable Care Act were shuttered, and the largest of them is under investigation.
Records obtained by Richard Pollack of the Daily Caller indicate another 8 co-ops might be on their way out this year:
'...there’s not a turnaround in sight. The same problems that plagued them before are continuing,”
8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down
21. the United States had lost its once-enormous global lead in middle-class pay, based on international income surveys over the last three decades. After-tax median income in Canada appears to have been higher last year than the same measure in this country. The poor in Canada and much of western Europe earn more than the poor here. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/u...dgety-boys-and-a-sputtering-economy.html?_r=0
22. Middle aged people laid off and unable to find work are taking another way out. They're killing themselves. Suicide rates are soaring, according to federal data released last week. Especially in economically depressed states and job-starved upstate New York. People in need of work are twice as likely to take their own lives as employed people, and people fired in their forties and fifties find it hardest to get hired again.
That makes boosting economic growth a life- and- death issue. But you wouldn't know it listening to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. President Obama whitewashes reality, claiming the "American economy is pretty darn good right now."
Soaring Suicides Emerge As a National Crisis Laid to Economic Stall - The New York Sun

23. "U.S. Economy Expands to 0.5% Pace, Weakest in Two Years
The U.S. economy expanded in the first quarter at the slowest pace in two years ....Gross domestic product rose at a 0.5 percent annualized rate after a 1.4 percent fourth-quarter advance, Commerce Department data showed Thursday. The increase was less than the 0.7 percent median projection in a Bloomberg survey and marked the third straight disappointing start to a year." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-first-quarter-at-slowest-pace-in-two-years
24. "Nearly one in six young men (between the ages of 18-34) in the U.S. were either jobless or incarcerated in 2014, according to a new government report. It details a striking amount of male alienation that has been on the rise since the 1980s.
According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), out of the 38 million young men in the U.S. in 2014, 16 percent were jobless (5 million or 13 percent) or incarcerated (1 million or 3 percent). The share of young men without a job or in prison has increased substantially since 1980, when just 11 percent of young men fit into either category." http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...early-1-6-young-men-u-s-jobless-incarcerated/
25. "Stocks fall as inflation hits 3-year high
...consumers prices at the consumer level for items ranging from toilet tissue to gasoline rose 0.4% last month, slightly above the 0.3% estimate but its strongest monthly gain in more than three years." http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/17/stocks-dow-tuesday/84481164/

26. "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy created the fewest number of jobs in more than five years in May as employment in the manufacturing and construction sectors fell sharply, suggesting a deterioration in the labor market ...Nonfarm payrolls increased by only 38,000 jobs last month, the smallest gain since September 2010, the Labor Department said on Friday. Underscoring the report's weakness, employers hired 59,000 fewer workers in March and April than previously reported. While the unemployment rate fell three-tenths of a percentage point to 4.7 percent in May, the lowest since November 2007, that was in part due to people dropping out of the labor force." https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-job-gains-may-likely-dented-verizon-strike-043534655--business.html

27. "Then came the jobs numbers. Employers added 38,000 jobs in May, the weakest performance since September 2010. Revisions to previous payroll data showed employers added a combined 59,000 fewer jobs in April and March than previously reported. That brought average monthly job growth in the past three months to 116,000, a sharp slowdown from the average growth of 219,000 over the prior 12 months.

One economist dubbed it “an unqualified dud.”

by Erik Holm"
Recap: Janet Yellen on Economy, Monetary Policy
28. White House Cuts Economic Growth Forecasts
Budget office sees 1.9% growth in 2016, 2.5% in 2017 http://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-cuts-economic-growth-forecasts-1468601249
29. "20 million college grads living with their parents, courtesy of Obama ...reflects how dismal the economy still is today. Today we have college grads — along with working moms and 60-somethings — flipping burgers at Wendy’s and stocking the aisles at Walmart. Left-wing groups and union leaders are now demanding “a living wage” for jobs that were never intended to be held by heads of households. Who’s against higher wages for American workers? But wasn’t this what Obamanomics was supposed to deliver?
Seven years ago, Barack Obama promised a progressive workers paradise — a recovery from recession that would leave no one behind. Hope and Change would deliver high employment and rising wages. No one bought into this idyllic vision more than college kids.
President Obama and his supporters proclaim that he has saved America from the second Great Depression — a message we will hear again over and over in the months ahead. But even his own voters don’t believe him anymore ..." http://newbostonpost.com/2015/09/19...-living-with-their-parents-courtesy-of-obama/

30. "94,609,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Drops to 62.8% (CNSNews.com) - In its final report before next week's presidential election, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said on Friday that 94,609,000 Americans are not in the labor force, 425,000 more than last month's 94,184,000, and the second highest number on record." http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-risesdrops
31. (CNSNews.com) - The federal debt moved above 19,900,000,000,000 for the first time as of the close of business, Nov. 22, the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, according to data released by the Treasury.
On that day, it rose from $19,899,004,081,493.50 to $19,907,540,739,514.52." http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-debt-tops-19900000000000-black-friday
32. " According to the Labor Department, 95,055,000 Americans were out of workforce in November, meaning they were neither employed nor had made an effort to find work over the previous month.
The level of Americans outside of the workforce last month — due to retirement, education, discouragement, or otherwise — represented a substantial 446,000 increase over the month of October.... 591,000 discouraged workers or those who are not looking for a job because they do not think there is a job out there for them. When President Barack Obama took office, 80,529,000 Americans were out of the workforce. That number has since grown by 14,526,000.
The workforce participation rate also dipped in November, hitting 62.7 percent, hovering around levels not seen since the 1970s." http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/02/record-95055000-americans-out-of-the-labor-force/
33. "White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said that 805,000 manufacturing jobs have been created since President Barack Obama has been in office. In fact, there has been a net loss of 303,000 manufacturing jobs since January 2009.... Manufacturing employment was 12,258,000 in October 2016, according to the most recent estimates from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s down 303,000 from the number employed in January 2009, the same month that Obama was sworn in as president. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/obamas-record-on-manufacturing-jobs/




"OBAMA: Anyone claiming that America's economy is in decline is peddling fiction.” http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...conomy_is_in_decline_is_peddling_fiction.html

OMG!!!!

You probably imagine that ObamaCare is still a great idea, too.....


Just one more failure by this tin-pot dictator, the titular head of the LGBT movement, to impose policies that will injure the American people.

Look around....and remember those who put this man in office.


Let's stipulate this:

Barack Hussein Obama, the selectee of the Liberals/Democrats has been

a. the worst steward of the American economy in neigh on 100 years

and

b. has left the world in the worst turmoil, and closer to nuclear chaos than any President in memory.

and....his voters?

Double chumps.
True?

Looks like PoliticalHack is lying again. And I only had to get as far as her first bullshit story where she included a link that doesn't go to her claim, it's old data, and it's not true.

In reality, real wages are up since the recovery began...

 

[Care4all]

Getting sick and tired of the whiners claiming that Bill's wife won the popular vote?
Well...it's true....but only if you use the time honored Liberal method of claiming to be unable to connect the dots....
...in other words, refuse to include reality

"But....but .....but....no proof!!!! No proof!!!"
Of course there is no need for proof when they claim 'racism.'

The spoiled brats have one set of requirements for themselves, and a different one for the other side.




1. “If there is a recount in Michigan and Trump loses by a few votes, then it’s very plausible that noncitizen voting made a big difference. Hopefully, it doesn’t come to that.”

Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama.

Richman applied those numbers to 2016:

The basic assumptions on which the extrapolation is based are that 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted, and that of the noncitizens who voted, 81.8 percent voted for Clinton and 17.5 percent voted for Trump. … 6.4 percent turnout among the roughly 20.3 million noncitizen adults in the U.S. would add only 834,318 votes to Clinton’s popular vote margin. This is little more than a third of the total margin. … Is it plausible that noncitizen votes added to Clinton’s margin? Yes. Is it plausible that noncitizen votes account for the entire nationwide popular vote margin held by Clinton? Not at all.


“An issue of concern is that so many have voted that are not legally supposed to,” Miller told reporters in a conference call Monday.



Beyond the noncitizens voting study from Old Dominion, Miller pointed to the Pew study from 2012 that found 24 million voter registration records in the United States, or about 1 in 8, were “significantly inaccurate or no longer valid.”

The Pew study further found “1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters,” that “12 million records contain an incorrect address,” and that “2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.”


“If 10 percent of noncitizens voted, it would likely make a popular vote difference,” Camarota told The Daily Signal. “It’s not the Electoral College [Trump] is upset about. It’s the popular vote. I wish he wouldn’t focus on it. Bill Clinton got just 43 percent of the vote in 1992. How many states did he win more than 50 percent of the vote in?”

Trump could be correct about the number of illegal votes, but there is no way to know, said Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow with The Heritage Foundation who focuses on voter integrity issues."
Impact of Noncitizen Voters on the 2016 Election


2. "Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

How many of the absentee ballots are from the military....and who do you imagine (I almost said 'think') they voted for?



3. "Claims of votes by the dead, felons cloud North Carolina governor race"
Claims of votes by the dead, felons cloud North Carolina governor race



4. Criminal President Obama Encourages Illegal Aliens to Vote – Promises No Repercussions (VIDEO)




5. "Illegal Voters Uncovered in Philly Are ‘Tip of the Iceberg’
Law firm uncovers illegal immigrants, convicted felons on rolls — and some have voted in crucial swing state
He said there is no way to know how many non-citizens might be registered to vote in Philadelphia, let alone in the rest of politically crucial Pennsylvania.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”

“This is just the tip of the iceberg,” he said. “Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”

Illegal Voters Uncovered in Philly Are ‘Tip of the Iceberg’



6. "12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



7. "If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two

Sore Loser, eh?

Fyi, since 2002...federal law dictates that States MUST issue different drivers licence to immigrants than US citizen....which btw, does NOT automatically register the immigrants to vote....and that all US citizen must show proof of citizenship.....when my license came up for renewal, I was forced to go to the DMV with proof...of citizenship.

You don't really doubt that illegal aliens and dead folks voted for Bill's wife....do you.
You just don't want to admit how many were given a wink and a nod and a ballot.


Let me prove that:




Wanna deny this from the LATimes?
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



And..BTW....

Maine isn't one of the 12 states and DC that give illegal aliens drivers licenses.

Did you fall and hit your head? What is wrong with you? I read your link the first time around, and there is NOTHING in there about the undocumented immigrants being registered to vote. Nada, Zip, Zilch, Nothing, Niente.

Do some homework girl....stop being lazy.

the undocumented allowed to get driver's licenses in California have to go through a separate process and have to set up an appointment in order to get a license and do not go through the regular lines at DMV's for citizens getting licenses,

And most importantly, AB-60 applicants ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY REGISTERED to vote when they apply for a license.

so your article about citizens being registered as independents if they don't follow a 2 step process, MEANS NOTHING.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is no doubt the Trumpers stole millions of votes.

Aren't you part of the same coalition that told us that this is impossible and that voter fraud is ever so rare and miniscule?

FACE!

FACE IT that you convinced us you were right that millions of votes were stolen. Congrats!

Sorry, dude. But that's double talk to say the least. Another lie by liberals. Standard.

The double talk is that their are millions of illegal voters with no evidence of significance at all. Standard.

California registers them and doesn't put any rigors/consequences against it; hence the skewed numbers out here compared to the rest the nation.

That's a Fake News Assertion (FNA).

 

[Faun]

Pop-Quiz!

Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:

"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


Ready?

How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???

C'mon....guess.

YOU would think that you'd do a little homework on your claim....

If you had, then you would know that illegals that can get driver's licenses in certain states, are required by federal law since 2002 to be issued different Driver's Licenses than American citizens, with a space on it that says it's not an ID for Federal use and benefits and they can't vote is part of it.

Also you would know, they have to set up an appointment with drivers license bureau in most if not all of these states and can not just stand in line with citizens and can not be automatically registered to vote as American citizens getting or renewing drivers licenses.

You would also know that the REAL ID Act requires all states to have their citizens getting drivers licenses to show proof of citizenship, or when renewing, they are required now to show proof of citizenship then.

me thinks your laziness and unwillingness to do a little research on your own, has allowed you to believe and spread.... a bunch of HOGWASH.

Pleeeeezzzz....don't be a dunce.

Why do you suppose Democrats give out the 'driver's licenses'????

Wanna see the folks 'checking' for valid documentation?

They close their eyes to the bogus documentation the same way you closed your eyes to the fact that Obama supports infanticide.


You linked to this:
How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???

C'mon......try to answer it.

PoliticalHack lies again.

States like California provide driver's licenses with special designations to indicate undocumented folks; which can't be used to obtain a voter's registration ID...

Driver License (DL) and Identification Card (ID) Information



PoliticalHack lies as she already knows this.

 

[Dr Grump]

Bassman007, post: 16128894

Help Donald Trump make America great again, or shut up and get the f out.

America has long been great. We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be.

"We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be."


Seems you missed this, too.

1. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...st-ground-every-single-economic#ixzz2hihAOpVl


2. (CNSNews.com) – The unemployment rate for black Americans is more than double that of white Americans, according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).... In the numbers released today, covering the month of June, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for black Americans age 16 and over was 10.7%, reported the BLS. The unemployment rate for white Americans in the same age group and time-frame was 5.3%, said the BLS. Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

3. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study




Is stupidity a requirement to be a Liberal???

What PoliticalHack hides from those reading her posts is that black unemployment has always been roughly double that of whites for as long as the BLS tracked such statistics.

What she also doesn't reveal is that black unemployment under Obama went from 12.7% when he was inaugurated, to its post recession high of 16.8% to its current ... 8.1%. Which is only one point higher than its all time low.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

7.1 is not the lowest unemployment rate ever. You are a nerd and a dumb one at that. 4.2 percent is a lot closer to the lowest unemployment rate ever. You want to try again stupid?

You do realize the post was referring to the BLACK unemployment rate?

I say, no. Yes Bassboy is that dumb.

 

[Bassman007]

Bassman007, post: 16128894 America has long been great. We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be.

"We don't need Trump's bad ideas overall of what greatness - 50's whiteness - should be."


Seems you missed this, too.

1. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...st-ground-every-single-economic#ixzz2hihAOpVl


2. (CNSNews.com) – The unemployment rate for black Americans is more than double that of white Americans, according to the latest data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).... In the numbers released today, covering the month of June, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for black Americans age 16 and over was 10.7%, reported the BLS. The unemployment rate for white Americans in the same age group and time-frame was 5.3%, said the BLS. Black Unemployment 10.7%, More Than Double White Unemployment 5.3%

3. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study




Is stupidity a requirement to be a Liberal???

What PoliticalHack hides from those reading her posts is that black unemployment has always been roughly double that of whites for as long as the BLS tracked such statistics.

What she also doesn't reveal is that black unemployment under Obama went from 12.7% when he was inaugurated, to its post recession high of 16.8% to its current ... 8.1%. Which is only one point higher than its all time low.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

7.1 is not the lowest unemployment rate ever. You are a nerd and a dumb one at that. 4.2 percent is a lot closer to the lowest unemployment rate ever. You want to try again stupid?

You do realize the post was referring to the BLACK unemployment rate?

I say, no. Yes Bassboy is that dumb.

Be honest, yer Mommy helpedy u with that right?

 

[Dr Grump]

Be honest, yer Mommy helpedy u with that right?

Why mommy whated??
Tell you what I do know. I can read. I can tell when somebody is talking about the black unemployment rate. Not the national unemployment rate. You obviously didn't click did ya, ya numbskull...

 

[Bassman007]

Be honest, yer Mommy helpedy u with that right?

Why mommy whated??
Tell you what I do know. I can read. I can tell when somebody is talking about the black unemployment rate. Not the national unemployment rate. You obviously didn't click did ya, ya numbskull...

This board allows editing MORON....................

Now go get your Mommy because you are too easy

See...............................!

 

[Ame®icano]

Poor, unhinged, PoliticalHack can't post without lying.

She asks if UNDOCUMENTED aliens can vote...will they be caught and deported....

No, she did not ask that. Stop lying. What she actually asked was...

"so if I vote, will immigration know where I live?"

And of course, Gina Rodriguez is a U.S. citizen.

Obama says 'no way'....you're a citizen if if you're illegal!!!!

No, he did not answer that. Stop lying. What he actually said was...

"Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself..."

... and Gina Rodriguez, who asked the question about if she herself votes, is a citizen.

If truth and reality was on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

True, Gina Rodriguez is a US citizen. True, she asked "so if I vote, will immigration know where I live".

First of, US citizen have no reason to ask that question for themselves. Why would immigration care about US citizen exercising their constitutional right? Nope, she's asking that question for all those who she's identifying as citizens, like herself.

She also said that undocumented, and dreamers etc are citizens, because they "contribute" to the country, which is not true. They're not citizens, they have no right to vote. She said they're "fearful of voting". Why would citizen be fearful of voting? Only those who have no right to vote, but they vote, should fear, and if you're citizen, why would you fear to cast the vote?

The premise of her question is pointing to "should illegals be afraid of immigration if they vote". Yes, she did say "if I vote" but she as a citizen have nothing to worry about, because she has right to vote. She isn't asking for herself, she's asking for all those who she's calling "citizens", while they're not, should they worry if they vote.

They should worry, since they shouldn't even be in my country, let alone to vote.

Throw them all out. Every single illegal Juan.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

First of, US citizen have no reason to ask that question for themselves.

Are you a US citizen that has undocumented non-citizen family members living with you or close by?

If not, you are talking out of your butt.

She was asking the question for legal voting citizens that have illegal family members living with them or involved with them.

There is concern out there if that is their situation.

You know nothing about the fears they have

Why do you believe this lie about our President?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

The premise of her question is pointing to "should illegals be afraid of immigration if they vote". Yes, she did say "if I vote" but she as a citizen have nothing to worry about, because she has right to vote.

You don't get to change what she said from "I" to "they" and then call it a premise.

premise: a statement that is assumed to be true for the purpose of an argument from which a conclusion is drawn.

Her statement was "If I vote". Which you have just argued must be assumed to be true. You can't say that legal voters have nothing to worry about because you obviously are not in their situation.

So, you obviously have no undocumented relatives or friends involved in your life. You would rat them out. Your own mother and father, aunt or uncle or child born here from undocumented parents.

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

they shouldn't even be in my country, let alone to vote.

Throw them all out. Every single illegal Juan.

You understand nothing about the question as it was asked.

Stop lying and making things up about our President.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Bassman007, post: 16133983

PS. What would the African American unemployment rate be without 12 million scavenging Mexicans?

What is a scavenging Mexican?

Scavenging:
1. To search through refuse for useful items.
2. To feed on dead or decaying matter.

I doubt your adjective broadly applied to Mexicans would change the unemployment rate one bit for anybody.

 

[Ame®icano]

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

The premise of her question is pointing to "should illegals be afraid of immigration if they vote". Yes, she did say "if I vote" but she as a citizen have nothing to worry about, because she has right to vote.

You don't get to change what she said from "I" to "they" and then call it a premise.

premise: a statement that is assumed to be true for the purpose of an argument from which a conclusion is drawn.

Her statement was "If I vote". Which you have just argued must be assumed to be true. You can't say that legal voters have nothing to worry about because you obviously are not in their situation.

So, you obviously have no undocumented relatives or friends involved in your life. You would rat them out. Your own mother and father, aunt or uncle or child born here from undocumented parents.

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

they shouldn't even be in my country, let alone to vote.

Throw them all out. Every single illegal Juan.

You understand nothing about the question as it was asked.

Stop lying and making things up about our President.

It's either that you missed the premise, or you don't understand what premise is.

Premise to "if I vote" was "I call them citizens".

She assumes that is the truth, and it's not. She identifies her citizenship with their assumed "citizenship".

By saying "if I vote" (as citizen), would immigration come for me (they would not), she's asking "if they vote" (as "citizens", which they're not), would immigration come for them? Why would they come for them if they are real citizens? Why would any citizen be "fearful of voting"? Now I assume you do know answer to that question.

Making things up about president? Nope, the leftist illusion of Barry somehow being honest and great is proven wrong. He openly was inviting illegals to vote by saying, "if you vote, you are citizen yourself". That is, as everything else he does and says completely skewed.

In less than a month, he's out. Good riddance.

 

[owebo]

Ame®icano, post: 16135944

First of, US citizen have no reason to ask that question for themselves.

Are you a US citizen that has undocumented non-citizen family members living with you or close by?

If not, you are talking out of your butt.

She was asking the question for legal voting citizens that have illegal family members living with them or involved with them.

There is concern out there if that is their situation.

You know nothing about the fears they have

Why do you believe this lie about our President?

It's a good place for us to start looking.....

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ame®icano, post: 16136649

Premise to "if I vote" was "I call them citizens".

She assumes that is the truth, and it's not. She identifies her citizenship with their assumed "citizenship".

At least you responded to my point with an actual thought about it. But your response is pure nonsense and you ignored my full explanation as to why undocumented citizens, as Gina personally calls them, have fears when someone they are related to in some way, legally votes. You go on in your reply once again to deliberately change the words and meaning of "if I vote" to "if they vote". It is dishonest, deceitful and immoral to revise what was said and then attack them for an entirely fabricated meaning that was not ever intended to be conveyed.

Her explaining that she calls them citizens, for the specific reason that they contribute to society, is not the premise of her following question at all. Her question was about what happens if a legal voting citizen votes in regards to genuine fears among undocumented related citizens (her personal term for people under that status) that it may lead to some kind of hassle from Immigration authorities, and nothing more.

You have to mangle her words and her intent in order to continue the conspiracy theory that Obama incited illegals to vote.

Obama did not do what you said because there is a lie in your argument when you revise her words to fit your own interpretation.

You further obstruct the truth when you self-determine that an entire group of people you have no contact with or concern about them, have nothing to fear when a legal voter they know, votes.

You cannot speak for people specifically when you admit that you despise and probably hate them.

Your demand to deport all undocumented Latinos, although most actually do contribute to our society, is the very reason they have fears when someone they know legally votes.

Their fears are real and you cannot explain your rationale that those fears do not exist - other than you don't want them to be here.

You have defeated you own argument by your self confession that you want all undocumented citizens to be deported.

You must be depressed that Trump has backed away from his deportation force campaign promise to rid the country of 12 million illegals.

Trump has decided to continue Obama's policy of deporting criminals. And that's what you get from the billionaire white President. Same as Obama except with white nationalistic extremist rhetoric thrown in to appease people like you.

 

[owebo]

Premise to "if I vote" was "I call them citizens".

She assumes that is the truth, and it's not. She identifies her citizenship with their assumed "citizenship".

At least you responded to my point with an actual thought about it. But your response is pure nonsense and you ignored my full explanation as to why undocumented citizens, as Gina personally calls them, have fears when someone they are related to in some way, legally votes. You go on in your reply to deliberately change he words and meaning of "if I vote" to "if they vote". It is dishonest, deceitful and immoral to revise what was said and then attack them for an entirely fabricated meaning that was not ever intended to be conveyed.

Her explaining that she calls them citizens, for the specific reason that they contribute to society, is not the premise of her following question at all. Her question was about what happens if a legal voting citizen votes in regards to fears among undocumented related citizens (her personal term for people under that status) that it may lead to some kind of hassle from Immigration authorities, and nothing more.

You have to mangle her words and her intent in order to continue the conspiracy theory that Obama incited illegals to vote.

Obama did not do what you said because there is a lie in your argument when you revise her words to fit your own interpretation.

You further obstruct the truth when you self-determine that an entire group of people you have no contact with or concern about them, have nothing to fear when a legal voter they know, votes.

You cannot speak for people specifically when you admit that you despise and probably hate them.

Your demand to deport all undocumented Latinos, that most do contribute to our society, is the very reason they have fears when someone they know legally votes.

The fears are real and you cannot explain your rationale that those fears do not exists other than you don't want them to be here.

You have defeated you own argument by your self confession that you want all undocumented citizens to be deported.

You must be depressed that Trump has backed away from his deportation force campaign promise to rid the country of 12 million illegals. He has decided to continue Obama's policy of deporting criminals. And that's what you get from the billionaire white Presudent. Same as Obama except with white nationalistic extremist rhetoric thrown in to appease people like you.

You mean illegal aliens?