Senate Appears To Have Votes to Overturn Emergency Declaration

[candycorn]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

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The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

 

[pismoe]

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

------------------------- i think that we have USA Military on the Border right now Bulldog .

Yes we do, and it's not because the military has a purpose there.

----------------------------------------- and thats your OPINION . But fact remains that USA Military is on the USA Southern Border serving a Militay purpose Bulldog .

 

[toomuchtime_]

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

 

[BULLDOG]

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

------------------------- i think that we have USA Military on the Border right now Bulldog .

Yes we do, and it's not because the military has a purpose there.

----------------------------------------- and thats your OPINION . But fact remains that USA Military is on the USA Southern Border serving a Militay purpose Bulldog .

US troops to stay at Mexico border 9 more months. Seriously.
Armed forces can put up wire on fencing, give US border staff rides on helicopters, and help them surveil the territory. But troops can’t interact with, let alone detain, any people trying to enter America.

The US military is barred from using its capabilities directly to enforce US domestic laws — including immigration laws — unless Congress specifically authorizes it to do so. This measure, known as “posse comitatus,” is why US troops can only support US border agents, but not take direct action themselves.

 

[Claudette]

Walls work. Ask Israel.

We have over 11 million illegals in this country that cost we the tax payer billions every year.

Illegals rob, rape and murder American citizens every year.

This has been an ongoing emergency for decades.

Glad one President has decided to do something about it. Go Trump.

 

[Thinker101]

Why do Dimms give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The money part is a lie. So list real problems.

Why do Repubs give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The "it will work" part is a proven lie. So list real reasons.

I suspect they just support Trump's whims no matter how goofy those whims are.

Walls will slow them down. Kind of like a door lock at your house.
Idiot.

The money can be better spent other ways. We both know the only reason the right is pushing for that silly wall is because of Trump's dumb campaign promise. That promise is already broken anyway. Mexico isn't going to pay for any wall.

Its better than amnesty and shit.
I don't support the wall, i want to actually fix the system. Nevertheless, the arguments against the wall are stupid.

The arguments for the wall are stupid.

Quite the argument there champ, got anything else?

 

[pismoe]

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

------------------------- i think that we have USA Military on the Border right now Bulldog .

Yes we do, and it's not because the military has a purpose there.

----------------------------------------- and thats your OPINION . But fact remains that USA Military is on the USA Southern Border serving a Militay purpose Bulldog .

US troops to stay at Mexico border 9 more months. Seriously.
Armed forces can put up wire on fencing, give US border staff rides on helicopters, and help them surveil the territory. But troops can’t interact with, let alone detain, any people trying to enter America.

The US military is barred from using its capabilities directly to enforce US domestic laws — including immigration laws — unless Congress specifically authorizes it to do so. This measure, known as “posse comitatus,” is why US troops can only support US border agents, but not take direct action themselves.

------------------------------ and i an mllions of others disagree that USA Military shouldn't be able to work deterring invading third worlders Bulldog . Maybe eventually things will change Bulldog .

 

[Ambivalent1]

Rand Paul and three others have decided that they are “no” votes on the Emergency Declaration.

Senate Seems to Have Enough Votes to Reject Trump’s Emergency Declaration

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The doesn’t seem to be enough to over-ride the assured Presidential veto however.

Yet.

lol After 58 national emergencies declared by every president since 1976 and thirteen by Obama and three previous national emergencies by Trump, Paul decided this was a good time to defend the Constitution?

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

Prove it kid.

 

[candycorn]

His objection was to re-allocation of funds that were approved by Congress.
Can’t blame him.

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Libs,how will you disarm the public. Please walk me though it.

Just asking. Let’s say President AOC makes an emergency order to outlaw all guns,

Walk us through that....

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

Staying the course in Iraq was always important, but Obama fucked up and got hundreds of thousands of people killed and millions made homeless refugees.

Family values continues to be important but with Democrats pandering for votes by advocating killing babies who are born alive, clearly the word family has little meaning for you people.

Deficit reduction and balanced budgets continue to be important but clearly we will not achieve either by cutting spending alone, and that's why President Trump is so focused on growing the economy faster and renegotiating bad trade agreements, so that our economy will grow fast enough to balance our expenditures, all of which the Democrats oppose.

Security on all our borders remains just as important as it always, but the Democrats have abandoned all values and issues other than opposing the President. The only other values the Democrats seem to have are socialism and anti semitism.

 

[the other mike]

Has it occurred to anyone that for the cost of having troops down there-- Pentagon: Troops deployed at US-Mexico border to cost about $210 million, -- we could have had several construction crews working on the various border fences, walls, moats and surveillance cameras needed to secure the entire border ?

It would have been done already....probably under-budget.

 

[candycorn]

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

Staying the course in Iraq was always important, but Obama fucked up and got hundreds of thousands of people killed and millions made homeless refugees.

Family values continues to be important but with Democrats pandering for votes by advocating killing babies who are born alive, clearly the word family has little meaning for you people.

Deficit reduction and balanced budgets continue to be important but clearly we will not achieve either by cutting spending alone, and that's why President Trump is so focused on growing the economy faster and renegotiating bad trade agreements, so that our economy will grow fast enough to balance our expenditures, all of which the Democrats oppose.

Security on all our borders remains just as important as it always, but the Democrats have abandoned all values and issues other than opposing the President. The only other values the Democrats seem to have are socialism and anti semitism.

So Republican concern over “important” issues is determined by Democratic Party actions?



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[C_Clayton_Jones]

That's his excuse for grabbing the spotlight. In fact, no money is being reallocated. The money will come from drug interdiction money held by the Treasury and from the military construction fund.

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

Those things are "important" only when a Democrat is in the WH.

 

[the other mike]

I still like my idea of extending the Rio Grande River west to the Gulf of California and filling it with alligators to keep people out.

 

[toomuchtime_]

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

Staying the course in Iraq was always important, but Obama fucked up and got hundreds of thousands of people killed and millions made homeless refugees.

Family values continues to be important but with Democrats pandering for votes by advocating killing babies who are born alive, clearly the word family has little meaning for you people.

Deficit reduction and balanced budgets continue to be important but clearly we will not achieve either by cutting spending alone, and that's why President Trump is so focused on growing the economy faster and renegotiating bad trade agreements, so that our economy will grow fast enough to balance our expenditures, all of which the Democrats oppose.

Security on all our borders remains just as important as it always, but the Democrats have abandoned all values and issues other than opposing the President. The only other values the Democrats seem to have are socialism and anti semitism.

So Republican concern over “important” issues is determined by Democratic Party actions?



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Of course, just the opposite is true, Democrats have no values other than opposing the President, so Donald Trump decides what is important to Democrats. This is very clear from the fact that Democrats wanted the border fence right up until the President said he wanted it.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The military construction fund isn't a slush fund that can be tapped on a presidential whim. It was funded for specific military construction projects, and can not be redirected without some military reason to do so. We are not under attack, and there is no military reason to build a wall.

In fact, the allocation of the funds is done by the military under the direction of the President, and the money that will be used has not yet been allocated to other projects, so there is no problem using it to build the fence.

As for whether it is necessary, the Democrats clearly believed it was, right up until Trump agreed with them. In 2013, Chuck Schumer presented Senate bill S. 744 to the Senate and every Democrat in the Senate voted for it; the bill provided billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of border fencing and billions more to buy hi tech equipment to make it into the kind of smart fence the President wants. After saying in her campaign, "I want to build bridges not walls":

In her book “Hard Choices,” Clinton said she supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, S. 744, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (page 459).

Clinton, “Hard Choices”: I only wish that the bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013 reforming our immigration laws could have passed the House.

In addition to providing a path to citizenship for immigrants in the country illegally, the bill would have funded an enhanced border security plan, including additional border fencing.

FactChecking Clinton's Big Speech - FactCheck.org

It is clear the Democratic leaders have no real objection to building the border fence and are only putting on this theater because the President wants to make our southern border more secure.

Well, it’s clear that some republicans do have a problem with the national emergency declaration.

A few purple state Republicans are gambling they will not lose as many votes from Republicans as the will gain from Democrats and independents. We'll see. Support for the fence is very strong among Republican voters.

A few years ago, “staying the course” in Iraq was important. Where is that now?
A few years ago, family values were strong? Where is that now?
A few years ago, deficit reduction and balanced budgets were important? Where is that now?

Those things are "important" only when a Democrat is in the WH.

In 2025 people will be asking, does anyone remember when a Democrat was last in the WH?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I still like my idea of extending the Rio Grande River west to the Gulf of California and filling it with alligators to keep people out.
View attachment 248723

No good. The Democrats will claim the alligators are seeking asylum and want to give them green cards.

 

[the other mike]

Those things are "important" only when a Democrat is in the WH.

Which demagogue is the lesser of two evils ?
Don't blame me. I voted for Jill Stein.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Why do Dimms give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically?

The money part is a lie. So list real problems.

Why do the cultists give a shit if there is a physical barrier on the US southern border? Specifically? The [Mexico will pay for it] part is a lie.