Senator Sanders introduces bill to make public college free

[Desperado]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Yeah? So what is it when you force others to pay for your college education?

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Thats a rather simplistic view as it leaves out human nature.

That's because it is simple. Most people that receive government social services are working. Take away those services and a large segment will respond in a manor far more objectionable than goverment subsidies.

The basic impetus behind social services has never been the milk of human kindness but rather to keep the "have nots" from rising up against the "haves" or to improve the economy, or prevent the spread of disease, etc...

Basically bribing the have not to behave

 

[The Great Goose]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Europe has entrance standards, the U.S. doesn't, so no, it isn't a 'good idea' until they fix that little glitch. Maybe 10% or less of those there now even have an 8th grade level education.

Interesting.

Yer right. Let's punish the taxpayer. Buncha damn misers.

Unfortunately have to start somewhere. Germany has EXTREMELY cheap college and within 5 years of a college graduate working in Germany they have paid back in taxes what their education cost the state.

And yet no Americans are moving to Germany.

Those that can qualify for technical jobs can, and do; my son immigrated there 6 years ago, and there is an American community near where he and my daughter in law live. My granddaughter goes to an arts school in France, and my grandson goes to an AB school in Switzerland; much better than they can do here.

Yep! I told my kids the same thing go to Europe! Get to travel AND its a more sane society.

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

And heathcare!

Yep. Its what divides me from the conservatives here. I am a Racial Socialist. I believe healthcare and education should be rights not products you have to be rich to get or go into debt to get.

It's what divides you from intelligent thought.

I just have to wonder if you even realize that it will NOT be free? My guess is you'll make some asinine claim about how those who have worked hard and sacrificed can afford to part with just a tiny little bit for the loserman in our society, right?

Just out of curiosity, do you know what a skills gap is? Because if you do, then that makes you just another progressive partisan hack for promoting some nonsense about free education.

Course its not free nothing is. My taxes pay for war,welfare for negro's and mexicans,foreign aid and TONS of other useless shit so why not actually educating our future generations and get this country moving!

Educate them in what? You want us to go deeper in debt, spending money we don't have, on education programs that provide skills to jobs that do not even exist.

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering with this here. Someone who thinks that Europe is a saner society than the US isn't exactly exhibiting values and morals that I agree with.

Have a nice life.

btw.....look up Mike Rowe and skills gap and spend some time educating yourself on why universities are not always the answer.

You are so brainwashed.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Yeah? So what is it when you force others to pay for your college education?

So taxation is theft? I don't see you complaining about your taxes being used for war and foreign aid etc. Why not something that actually benefits the country?

Hold up there skippy!
I dont want my tax dollars spent on foreign aid anymore than you do.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

With today's technology, every college course can be on a DVD. People can study at their own pace and take tests at testing centers that require ID. College is great for the partying, coeds, networking, but a complete waste of time and money otherwise. Same for Public School K-12. Classroom time is a complete waste of time.

The only thing public school provides is experience in dealing with others,whether it be on the football field or band or just in the hallways.
If they'd just do away with all the indoctrination and got back to teaching public schools would be valuable tools for our youth.

Experience dealing with other is one thing that our schools do not teach kids.

Most schools do a decent job, some do a lousy job and some due an excellent job. There are over 100,000 schools out there. The best and worst are miles apart.

You cant dictate what happens socially in public schools.
Unless you include the effort by the socialist fuck heads that run the place.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Yeah? So what is it when you force others to pay for your college education?

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Thats a rather simplistic view as it leaves out human nature.

That's because it is simple. Most people that receive government social services are working. Take away those services and a large segment will respond in a manor far more objectionable than goverment subsidies.

The basic impetus behind social services has never been the milk of human kindness but rather to keep the "have nots" from rising up against the "haves" or to improve the economy, or prevent the spread of disease, etc...

Aaaaaaaand...you just proved my point.
Thank you and here's your participation trophy.

 

[ricechickie]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Ewwwww, I hate agreeing with you in any way.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Yeah? So what is it when you force others to pay for your college education?

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Thats a rather simplistic view as it leaves out human nature.

That's because it is simple. Most people that receive government social services are working. Take away those services and a large segment will respond in a manor far more objectionable than goverment subsidies.

The basic impetus behind social services has never been the milk of human kindness but rather to keep the "have nots" from rising up against the "haves" or to improve the economy, or prevent the spread of disease, etc...

And all this time I thought it was to buy votes and keep one particular party in power.

 

[Meathead]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

Sanders and Warren join forces?! a geriatric socialist and a genuine squaw?!

Golly jeepers!

 

[Hossfly]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

Sanders and Warren join forces?! a geriatric socialist and a genuine squaw?!

Golly jeepers!

I am 2 years older than Bernie and I can already spot his Alzheimers and Warren is just plain hog stupid.

 

[Rustic]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

You get what you pay for…

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Really? Because we still do have those things going on in this country.

Would't it benefit society if I went to work every day to create tax money? So why don't the taxpayers buy me a new car every three years? Wouldn't it benefit my society if my home looked up kept? Then why doesn't government buy me flowers for my front yard every year? Wouldn't it benefit society if we were safe in our homes? Then why doesn't government buy us guns and home alarm systems? Wouldn't it benefit society to have people fit and trim? Then why doesn't government give us all a built-in swimming pool?

There are a lot of things that benefit society, but that doesn't mean taxpayers should pay for it.

 

[Meathead]

We're pouring billions if not trillions down a black hole to produce generations of semi-literate dummies who we're now going to train in Gay & Lesbian Haiku and Urban Studies?!

Ya betcha!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Anybody has the ability to get an advanced education, it's just that you have to pay for it.

We are a country of 20 trillion in debt. I would love to see a lot of "free" things, but my country cannot afford it.

If you think "A Wall" is something we should be spending money on, I really don't think you have any business telling us all about our debt and what we can afford.

At least a wall is an investment even if it only saves one American life. Even if we pay for every foot of that wall, the savings it will produce will offset the cost in just a few years.


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And what savings are those exactly? I'd love to hear these details.

When I get home I'll detail it for you. But for now, I'll tell you that billions of dollars cross that border. They come here, make money, and send that money back home. In the meantime, Americans lose billions a year because of lower wages caused by immigrants. Then add all the border control needed, all the costs for processing these foreign criminals, welfare going to their children that they had here, it's easy to see the advantage and savings of having that wall.

Others suffer other financial losses. My cousin spent 7K to bury her son from an overdose about a year and a half ago. It adds up pretty quick.


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"Lower wages caused by immigrants". Isn't this the fundamental idea behind capitalism? Lower expenses(ie. wages, raise profits).

Are you in favor of a minimum wage then that can guarantee legal Americans are paid a fair salary for their work?

No, I've always been against the minimum wage. Government should not be in the position to tell companies what they should pay their employees.

Even capitalist systems can be cheated. Our supply and demand of employment works nearly perfect provided you don't throw a monkey wrench into the system like unions or foreigners.

 

[Flopper]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Yeah? So what is it when you force others to pay for your college education?

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Thats a rather simplistic view as it leaves out human nature.

That's because it is simple. Most people that receive government social services are working. Take away those services and a large segment will respond in a manor far more objectionable than goverment subsidies.

The basic impetus behind social services has never been the milk of human kindness but rather to keep the "have nots" from rising up against the "haves" or to improve the economy, or prevent the spread of disease, etc...

Basically bribing the have not to behave

Well, I wouldn't put it that way but Yes. When people can not increase their income and are faced with serious cuts in food, shelter, and healthcare they often do desperate things that are not acceptable to society.

 

[theHawk]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren join forces to make college free

As ANY sane country would want and MANY in Europe HAVE done. Its idiotic to PUNISH people to want to be educated....in due time...it will happen.

Does this mean all college professors and staff will work for free?

Do public school teachers work for free?

Do they make as much as university professors? Maybe we should force "equal pay" between public school teachers and university professors.

 

[HenryBHough]

Everybody should get everything they need for free!

I want to be the individual deciding what YOU need.

What you WANT is of no interest whatsoever.

 

[Flopper]

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Really? Because we still do have those things going on in this country.

Would't it benefit society if I went to work every day to create tax money? So why don't the taxpayers buy me a new car every three years? Wouldn't it benefit my society if my home looked up kept? Then why doesn't government buy me flowers for my front yard every year? Wouldn't it benefit society if we were safe in our homes? Then why doesn't government buy us guns and home alarm systems? Wouldn't it benefit society to have people fit and trim? Then why doesn't government give us all a built-in swimming pool?

There are a lot of things that benefit society, but that doesn't mean taxpayers should pay for it.

Yes, these bad things are going on now but that does not mean it won't get a lot worse if families are left without food, shelter, and healthcare.

It seems like I've read a hundred of your posts that all say the same thing get a job. You simply fail to realize that most people on welfare have a job. It just pays so little they can't live off of it. You also prefer to ignore the fact that 6 million families on welfare are headed by a single mom, most with very limited job skills and almost no chance to increase their income. Then there is the 30% of those on welfare that are mentally or physically disabled.

However, I have to agree with you. If government assistance were cut off some would find work or add a second job but most would not because no one is going to hire them. They are in ever sense of the word redundant in the job market.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Really? Because we still do have those things going on in this country.

Would't it benefit society if I went to work every day to create tax money? So why don't the taxpayers buy me a new car every three years? Wouldn't it benefit my society if my home looked up kept? Then why doesn't government buy me flowers for my front yard every year? Wouldn't it benefit society if we were safe in our homes? Then why doesn't government buy us guns and home alarm systems? Wouldn't it benefit society to have people fit and trim? Then why doesn't government give us all a built-in swimming pool?

There are a lot of things that benefit society, but that doesn't mean taxpayers should pay for it.

Yes, these bad things are going on now but that does not mean it won't get a lot worse if families are left without food, shelter, and healthcare.

It seems like I've read a hundred of your posts that all say the same thing get a job. You simply fail to realize that most people on welfare have a job. It just pays so little they can't live off of it. You also prefer to ignore the fact that 6 million families on welfare are headed by a single mom, most with very limited job skills and almost no chance to increase their income. Then there is the 30% of those on welfare that are mentally or physically disabled.

However, I have to agree with you. If government assistance were cut off some would find work or add a second job but most would not because no one is going to hire them. They are in ever sense of the word redundant in the job market.

From what I've seen I would say most of them would take action to improve their lot in life.

It's like what happened in Maine with food stamps. The state set up very minimal requirements for those without dependents to stay on food stamps. The results? Most of them dropped out of the program. Seems they were not that hungry in the first place.

You people on the left have to give your fellow Americans more credit than that. I remember what happened in the 90's after welfare reform was passed. Between the time the law passed and it went into full gear, all we read about was the death and destruction that would take place; robberies galore, murder out of control, people killing each other in the streets because of hunger. Never happened. In fact, just the opposite results took place.

So I'm going to go through your little list and point out the cause:

People are working and not making enough money so they use welfare. Okay, how many of them are working over 50 hours a week? If you have those stats, I'd love to see them. Because us non-welfare workers work those kinds of hours or more, and that's why we're not on welfare.

6 million families are single-parent households. Okay, who's fault is that? Who is it that gave those people the idea that they can start a family and have as many kids as they want, and there won't be anything to worry about?

They have very little job skills or ability to increase their income. So what you're telling me is that these people with no skills went out and had children. How did they expect to support those children if even they knew they had no sellable skills or ability to increase their income?

30% of people on welfare are physically or mentally incapable of working. I find that hard to believe, but I'll take a look at any reliable links you might have for that.

 

[Flopper]

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Really? Because we still do have those things going on in this country.

Would't it benefit society if I went to work every day to create tax money? So why don't the taxpayers buy me a new car every three years? Wouldn't it benefit my society if my home looked up kept? Then why doesn't government buy me flowers for my front yard every year? Wouldn't it benefit society if we were safe in our homes? Then why doesn't government buy us guns and home alarm systems? Wouldn't it benefit society to have people fit and trim? Then why doesn't government give us all a built-in swimming pool?

There are a lot of things that benefit society, but that doesn't mean taxpayers should pay for it.

Yes, these bad things are going on now but that does not mean it won't get a lot worse if families are left without food, shelter, and healthcare.

It seems like I've read a hundred of your posts that all say the same thing get a job. You simply fail to realize that most people on welfare have a job. It just pays so little they can't live off of it. You also prefer to ignore the fact that 6 million families on welfare are headed by a single mom, most with very limited job skills and almost no chance to increase their income. Then there is the 30% of those on welfare that are mentally or physically disabled.

However, I have to agree with you. If government assistance were cut off some would find work or add a second job but most would not because no one is going to hire them. They are in ever sense of the word redundant in the job market.

From what I've seen I would say most of them would take action to improve their lot in life.

It's like what happened in Maine with food stamps. The state set up very minimal requirements for those without dependents to stay on food stamps. The results? Most of them dropped out of the program. Seems they were not that hungry in the first place.

You people on the left have to give your fellow Americans more credit than that. I remember what happened in the 90's after welfare reform was passed. Between the time the law passed and it went into full gear, all we read about was the death and destruction that would take place; robberies galore, murder out of control, people killing each other in the streets because of hunger. Never happened. In fact, just the opposite results took place.

So I'm going to go through your little list and point out the cause:

People are working and not making enough money so they use welfare. Okay, how many of them are working over 50 hours a week? If you have those stats, I'd love to see them. Because us non-welfare workers work those kinds of hours or more, and that's why we're not on welfare.

6 million families are single-parent households. Okay, who's fault is that? Who is it that gave those people the idea that they can start a family and have as many kids as they want, and there won't be anything to worry about?

They have very little job skills or ability to increase their income. So what you're telling me is that these people with no skills went out and had children. How did they expect to support those children if even they knew they had no sellable skills or ability to increase their income?

30% of people on welfare are physically or mentally incapable of working. I find that hard to believe, but I'll take a look at any reliable links you might have for that.

Do you consider the US Census reliable? I ask because many on the right consider it false news.
Census: 30 percent on welfare disabled

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The same argument over and over. Why force people to pay for others college education, healthcare, public housing, food stamps, public education, etc.... The answer as always, is it benefits the nation to have a more educated workforce, healthier population, people living in buildings instead of the gutters, children in school instead prostitution and stealing on the streets.

Really? Because we still do have those things going on in this country.

Would't it benefit society if I went to work every day to create tax money? So why don't the taxpayers buy me a new car every three years? Wouldn't it benefit my society if my home looked up kept? Then why doesn't government buy me flowers for my front yard every year? Wouldn't it benefit society if we were safe in our homes? Then why doesn't government buy us guns and home alarm systems? Wouldn't it benefit society to have people fit and trim? Then why doesn't government give us all a built-in swimming pool?

There are a lot of things that benefit society, but that doesn't mean taxpayers should pay for it.

Yes, these bad things are going on now but that does not mean it won't get a lot worse if families are left without food, shelter, and healthcare.

It seems like I've read a hundred of your posts that all say the same thing get a job. You simply fail to realize that most people on welfare have a job. It just pays so little they can't live off of it. You also prefer to ignore the fact that 6 million families on welfare are headed by a single mom, most with very limited job skills and almost no chance to increase their income. Then there is the 30% of those on welfare that are mentally or physically disabled.

However, I have to agree with you. If government assistance were cut off some would find work or add a second job but most would not because no one is going to hire them. They are in ever sense of the word redundant in the job market.

From what I've seen I would say most of them would take action to improve their lot in life.

It's like what happened in Maine with food stamps. The state set up very minimal requirements for those without dependents to stay on food stamps. The results? Most of them dropped out of the program. Seems they were not that hungry in the first place.

You people on the left have to give your fellow Americans more credit than that. I remember what happened in the 90's after welfare reform was passed. Between the time the law passed and it went into full gear, all we read about was the death and destruction that would take place; robberies galore, murder out of control, people killing each other in the streets because of hunger. Never happened. In fact, just the opposite results took place.

So I'm going to go through your little list and point out the cause:

People are working and not making enough money so they use welfare. Okay, how many of them are working over 50 hours a week? If you have those stats, I'd love to see them. Because us non-welfare workers work those kinds of hours or more, and that's why we're not on welfare.

6 million families are single-parent households. Okay, who's fault is that? Who is it that gave those people the idea that they can start a family and have as many kids as they want, and there won't be anything to worry about?

They have very little job skills or ability to increase their income. So what you're telling me is that these people with no skills went out and had children. How did they expect to support those children if even they knew they had no sellable skills or ability to increase their income?

30% of people on welfare are physically or mentally incapable of working. I find that hard to believe, but I'll take a look at any reliable links you might have for that.

Do you consider the US Census reliable? I ask because many on the right consider it false news.
Census: 30 percent on welfare disabled

Many on the right? I haven't met or read of one yet that said the US Consensus is fake news.

So now that we have the figures from the US Census, we can reasonably assume that since 30% have mental or physical disabilities, that 70% do not. I think we can both draw that conclusion.

And I can believe 30%. After all, I know a couple of people in that 30%.

One is a neighbor of mine. He can't work because he's a drunk. I've lived here over 30 years, and have not once seen him hold down a full-time job. Basically, his old mother supports him.

Sure, he has worked before; took a construction job for a week or so here, maybe another one there, but only worked enough hours to buy booze for the month and he'd walk off the job. Finally, he managed to get a job where he supposedly hurt himself, and now he doesn't even take those jobs because he's collecting disability.

You'd never know it though. A couple of times when he's actually sober because he ran out of booze money, he cuts the grass, pulls weeds, always nailing something on that garage of his since he hangs out in the garage to keep away from his mother. But yes, he's in that 30%.

Just the other day I learned that an ex-tenant of mine joined the disability club. A current tenant of mine hangs out with the guy. He has some breathing disorder, but nothing that would prevent him from working. But he applied and got accepted to collect disability.

Statistics are fine if they tell the entire story, but in many cases, they don't. They just lead you to believe something that's actually not.