sex on the first date

[danielpalos]

dear any appeal to any fallacy can be a lie as that form of ignorance of sublime Truth (value) discoverable through argumentation.

Just as you want something that is unrealistic....
Many women want something that is unrealistic....
It's not lying. If I ceased to be married for whatever reason, and I wanted male companionship, I would not settle for anything less than what I want out of a relationship, and, if I found myself in that position (being single/dating) I would be quite forthright about my needs and expectations. It's important to "match up" properly. Even in a "casual sex/dating" scenario....

Perhaps it's an "age" thing...

honesty as a form of respect toward fellow human beings is unrealistic?

Depends. You don't tell someone they are fat because it's true do you?
I do think everyone should be honest about what they want out of a relationship, but, REALISTICALLY, people are not always going to share the 100% truth, because, we are civilized human beings. Some things are better left unsaid, and oftentimes, concessions need to be made.

There is a line to draw in there somewhere....

dear; there is a difference between honesty as a subjective moral value and honest, constructive criticism. only lousy socialists use social moral for free, for badness instead of goodness.

 

[danielpalos]

He's saying that just because the woman is ignorant doesn't mean she isn't lying.... that she can find out what men are like and really all about through research and discussion....

He's saying ignorance is no excuse.... (I think...I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong....)

i am saying keeping the guy ignorant is immoral. a King even had wives executed for not being upfront with him.

Well people will lie. Both MEN and WOMEN do it.
It is right? Depends - there are outright lies and there are things someone may think they are OK with, but, then find out, they are NOT ok with it. Not a lie, just an error in what they thought they could handle in a relationship.

how much error is there in simply and honestly asking for what you want?

 

[Bonzi]

dear any appeal to any fallacy can be a lie as that form of ignorance of sublime Truth (value) discoverable through argumentation.

Just as you want something that is unrealistic....
Many women want something that is unrealistic....
It's not lying. If I ceased to be married for whatever reason, and I wanted male companionship, I would not settle for anything less than what I want out of a relationship, and, if I found myself in that position (being single/dating) I would be quite forthright about my needs and expectations. It's important to "match up" properly. Even in a "casual sex/dating" scenario....

Perhaps it's an "age" thing...

Since you seem to understand what this loon is talking about, you want to explain what his statement means to me please?

He's just frustrated that women don't think and act like he does.
I know the feeling, I used to feel that way about men -

no dear; i know i only and merely need money, not playing silly chic trics for poon. only shills for poon play your games. and, most guys know not to take them any more seriously than any other liars.

You are fooling yourself if you think everyone thinks like you.
I have yet to hear one man agree with you.

 

[Bonzi]

He's saying that just because the woman is ignorant doesn't mean she isn't lying.... that she can find out what men are like and really all about through research and discussion....

He's saying ignorance is no excuse.... (I think...I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong....)

i am saying keeping the guy ignorant is immoral. a King even had wives executed for not being upfront with him.

Well people will lie. Both MEN and WOMEN do it.
It is right? Depends - there are outright lies and there are things someone may think they are OK with, but, then find out, they are NOT ok with it. Not a lie, just an error in what they thought they could handle in a relationship.

how much error is there in simply and honestly asking for what you want?

none. but you won't find much out there in they way of women that want to be just sex buddies.
Have you ever had a woman say she wanted to?
Maybe you can ask direct questions? If she says one thing and does another, you have a point.

 

[Bonzi]

Daniel is too caught up in equality without realizing there isn't any.

Is anyone superior?
Or just not equal?

Equality should be a dirty word. It is nonsense. In reality there is no such thing as equality. In male/female relationships there is no such thing as equality. One is the leader, the other is the follower. Who leads can be fluid depending on the circumstances but someone always leads.

it is about the social concept and equality before a god or the law, at its most fundamental in our republic.

in any case, it should be about informed consent and voluntary social transaction under any form of capitalism. only lousy socialists play silly social games for free.

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

 

[ChrisL]

He's saying that just because the woman is ignorant doesn't mean she isn't lying.... that she can find out what men are like and really all about through research and discussion....

He's saying ignorance is no excuse.... (I think...I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong....)

i am saying keeping the guy ignorant is immoral. a King even had wives executed for not being upfront with him.

Well people will lie. Both MEN and WOMEN do it.
It is right? Depends - there are outright lies and there are things someone may think they are OK with, but, then find out, they are NOT ok with it. Not a lie, just an error in what they thought they could handle in a relationship.

how much error is there in simply and honestly asking for what you want?

none. but you won't find much out there in they way of women that want to be just sex buddies.
Have you ever had a woman say she wanted to?
Maybe you can ask direct questions? If she says one thing and does another, you have a point.

Ask questions to whom? His blowup doll?

 

[danielpalos]

dear any appeal to any fallacy can be a lie as that form of ignorance of sublime Truth (value) discoverable through argumentation.

Just as you want something that is unrealistic....
Many women want something that is unrealistic....
It's not lying. If I ceased to be married for whatever reason, and I wanted male companionship, I would not settle for anything less than what I want out of a relationship, and, if I found myself in that position (being single/dating) I would be quite forthright about my needs and expectations. It's important to "match up" properly. Even in a "casual sex/dating" scenario....

Perhaps it's an "age" thing...

Since you seem to understand what this loon is talking about, you want to explain what his statement means to me please?

He's just frustrated that women don't think and act like he does.
I know the feeling, I used to feel that way about men -

no dear; i know i only and merely need money, not playing silly chic trics for poon. only shills for poon play your games. and, most guys know not to take them any more seriously than any other liars.

You are fooling yourself if you think everyone thinks like you.
I have yet to hear one man agree with you.

i already know jumping on the bandwagon is a fallacy; they all have nothing but fallacy to work with.

 

[danielpalos]

He's saying that just because the woman is ignorant doesn't mean she isn't lying.... that she can find out what men are like and really all about through research and discussion....

He's saying ignorance is no excuse.... (I think...I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong....)

i am saying keeping the guy ignorant is immoral. a King even had wives executed for not being upfront with him.

Well people will lie. Both MEN and WOMEN do it.
It is right? Depends - there are outright lies and there are things someone may think they are OK with, but, then find out, they are NOT ok with it. Not a lie, just an error in what they thought they could handle in a relationship.

how much error is there in simply and honestly asking for what you want?

none. but you won't find much out there in they way of women that want to be just sex buddies.
Have you ever had a woman say she wanted to?
Maybe you can ask direct questions? If she says one thing and does another, you have a point.

yes; all women say one thing and do another; that is the point: honesty.

 

[danielpalos]

Daniel is too caught up in equality without realizing there isn't any.

Is anyone superior?
Or just not equal?

Equality should be a dirty word. It is nonsense. In reality there is no such thing as equality. In male/female relationships there is no such thing as equality. One is the leader, the other is the follower. Who leads can be fluid depending on the circumstances but someone always leads.

it is about the social concept and equality before a god or the law, at its most fundamental in our republic.

in any case, it should be about informed consent and voluntary social transaction under any form of capitalism. only lousy socialists play silly social games for free.

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

sure; only false capitalists don't believe in using money as capital.

 

[danielpalos]

He's saying that just because the woman is ignorant doesn't mean she isn't lying.... that she can find out what men are like and really all about through research and discussion....

He's saying ignorance is no excuse.... (I think...I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong....)

i am saying keeping the guy ignorant is immoral. a King even had wives executed for not being upfront with him.

Well people will lie. Both MEN and WOMEN do it.
It is right? Depends - there are outright lies and there are things someone may think they are OK with, but, then find out, they are NOT ok with it. Not a lie, just an error in what they thought they could handle in a relationship.

how much error is there in simply and honestly asking for what you want?

none. but you won't find much out there in they way of women that want to be just sex buddies.
Have you ever had a woman say she wanted to?
Maybe you can ask direct questions? If she says one thing and does another, you have a point.

Ask questions to whom? His blowup doll?

no, hot chics on the internet who don't mind taking their clothes off.

 

[shadow355]

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

I asked a woman I was having an affair with ; if she wanted to stay in it for the long haul. We were having luch together if I am right. She said yes. I was getting a divorced, as was she. I was done wrong - stabbed in teh back and taken advantage of ; her husband treated her terribly. We found an interest in each other.

The woman i asked to stay with me was funny - smart ; and again, a sharp dresser. We got along terrifically, and we "Clicked".

After me asking her if we was in it together till the end - she started distancing herself from me, calling me on my cell phone less often, and stopped coming by my work place. I would call her, and get voice mail. After three weeks of her distancing herself from me ; I knew it was the end. About 6 weeks after I asked her to go all the way to the end with me - for a permanent relationship ; she basically disappeared.

We met for breakfast one morning, at the Metropolitan Area where I worked EMS - I believe we met on the west or southwest side of town. We were followed , and while eating breakfast we were being watched ( I will call it surveilled )......and why we were being watched - I do not know why. ( NO - I am not a criminal )

Her house - large house concerned me. Her husband had a good job ; but it was not great. Expensive.....to expensive for both of them in my opinion. I don't know their financials - and I might be wrong........but the house they lived in did set bells and whistles off in my head - real loud one afternoon as I set in her kitchen at the counter ( Corner of the counter ?? ) ; her standing between the counter and the stove ( or close to it ) and asking me if was alright / if I was OK.

I did not see where they could afford a large home ( Brick house if I remember correctly ) in a "Very Ritzy" part of the neighborhood. The furnishings was excellent

WOMEN also, pick relationships that go no where. They just want a "companion" for awhile ; or until it gets serious.

Women at times also - are underhanded and have ulterior motives. They can be sneaky and not trustworthy.

I know.......from experience.

Shadow 355

 

[WinterBorn]

Junior, it was about superior use of tactics against a force that THOUGHT they were superior. They had superior numbers. But their superiority was shown to be an illusion by the end of the battle.

the point is Hannibal did need to use guile.

And that does nothing to prove your point. I did not claim that guile is not used by forces with inferior numbers. You claimed that guile is not used (according to military doctrine) unless you are inferior. That is simply not true. Guile is used by virtually all modern military.

only due to the inferiority of cost concerns.

What? If guile can result in a victory with fewer casualties for your men or fewer resources expended, it would be stupid not to use guile in your tactics.

And you were the one who claimed guile was only used by the inferior, and that this was military doctrine. It is most certainly NOT military doctrine. So spare us any more justifications of your lies.

there is no guarantee of victory with defensive war. it usually requires a master Tzu.

Sun Tzu? You are quoting The Art of War in defense of your claim?

Tzu said "All warfare is based on deception".

And I have no idea why you add the qualifier of a "defensive" war. Guile is not strictly a defensive tactic.

But I see you are not ready to admit that you lied when you made your claim about military doctrine.

 

[WinterBorn]

How many women have you offered a full body massage?

i have an outstanding offer all the time.

That is not what I asked you. How many women (ballpark figure) have you made the offer of a full body massage to?

i don't keep track. but, it is much higher than the ones who accept. i guess they are mostly just lesbians and not real women.

How do you know they are lesbians or that they are not "real women"?

Because real women don't day no to full body massage with happy ending just like real men don't say no to full body massage with happy ending, dear.

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

If a woman does not find you attractive, she will say no to a full body massage with happy ending every day, and twice on Sunday. It is just that simple.

 

[WinterBorn]

I'm quite sure that is not true.

it must be true since you give me a difficult time.

So any heterosexual woman would accept a full body massage from you? lol

anyone that wants one.

But you said that only lesbians give you a difficult time when you want to offer a full body massage.

So if a woman doesn't want a massage, does that make them a lesbian?

And since you are offering a full body massage (which would involve nudity), you want nothing in return? You do not want any reciprocation by the women?

dear, it is just banter. you already lost the real arguments a long time ago. just keep, shilling on.

Junior, if I was shilling you wouldn't know it.

I have not lost the argument. If I had you would not be trying to be so obtuse.

But I see you refuse to answer a simple question of whether or not your motives are completely altruistic or whether you hope for something else to happen.

 

[ChrisL]

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

I asked a woman I was having an affair with ; if she wanted to stay in it for the long haul. We were having luch together if I am right. She said yes. I was getting a divorced, as was she. I was done wrong - stabbed in teh back and taken advantage of ; her husband treated her terribly. We found an interest in each other.

The woman i asked to stay with me was funny - smart ; and again, a sharp dresser. We got along terrifically, and we "Clicked".

After me asking her if we was in it together till the end - she started distancing herself from me, calling me on my cell phone less often, and stopped coming by my work place. I would call her, and get voice mail. After three weeks of her distancing herself from me ; I knew it was the end. About 6 weeks after I asked her to go all the way to the end with me - for a permanent relationship ; she basically disappeared.

We met for breakfast one morning, at the Metropolitan Area where I worked EMS - I believe we met on the west or southwest side of town. We were followed , and while eating breakfast we were being watched ( I will call it surveilled )......and why we were being watched - I do not know why. ( NO - I am not a criminal )

Her house - large house concerned me. Her husband had a good job ; but it was not great. Expensive.....to expensive for both of them in my opinion. I don't know their financials - and I might be wrong........but the house they lived in did set bells and whistles off in my head - real loud one afternoon as I set in her kitchen at the counter ( Corner of the counter ?? ) ; her standing between the counter and the stove ( or close to it ) and asking me if was alright / if I was OK.

I did not see where they could afford a large home ( Brick house if I remember correctly ) in a "Very Ritzy" part of the neighborhood. The furnishings was excellent

WOMEN also, pick relationships that go no where. They just want a "companion" for awhile ; or until it gets serious.

Women at times also - are underhanded and have ulterior motives. They can be sneaky and not trustworthy.

I know.......from experience.

Shadow 355

Well you said you were having an "affair?" WTF do you expect from a woman who would cheat on her husband?

 

[Ernie S.]

No, I would think he was a dirty whore!

I am. When are you coming to visit?

 

[ChrisL]

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

I asked a woman I was having an affair with ; if she wanted to stay in it for the long haul. We were having luch together if I am right. She said yes. I was getting a divorced, as was she. I was done wrong - stabbed in teh back and taken advantage of ; her husband treated her terribly. We found an interest in each other.

The woman i asked to stay with me was funny - smart ; and again, a sharp dresser. We got along terrifically, and we "Clicked".

After me asking her if we was in it together till the end - she started distancing herself from me, calling me on my cell phone less often, and stopped coming by my work place. I would call her, and get voice mail. After three weeks of her distancing herself from me ; I knew it was the end. About 6 weeks after I asked her to go all the way to the end with me - for a permanent relationship ; she basically disappeared.

We met for breakfast one morning, at the Metropolitan Area where I worked EMS - I believe we met on the west or southwest side of town. We were followed , and while eating breakfast we were being watched ( I will call it surveilled )......and why we were being watched - I do not know why. ( NO - I am not a criminal )

Her house - large house concerned me. Her husband had a good job ; but it was not great. Expensive.....to expensive for both of them in my opinion. I don't know their financials - and I might be wrong........but the house they lived in did set bells and whistles off in my head - real loud one afternoon as I set in her kitchen at the counter ( Corner of the counter ?? ) ; her standing between the counter and the stove ( or close to it ) and asking me if was alright / if I was OK.

I did not see where they could afford a large home ( Brick house if I remember correctly ) in a "Very Ritzy" part of the neighborhood. The furnishings was excellent

WOMEN also, pick relationships that go no where. They just want a "companion" for awhile ; or until it gets serious.

Women at times also - are underhanded and have ulterior motives. They can be sneaky and not trustworthy.

I know.......from experience.

Shadow 355

She probably lied to you, Shadow. Her husband probably treated her fine and she had no intentions on ever leaving him. Bad idea to get involved in "those" kinds of relationships, IMO. Leads to nothing but trouble, trouble, trouble.

 

[ChrisL]

No, I would think he was a dirty whore!

I am. When are you coming to visit?

Ernie!!!

 

[Ernie S.]

i have an outstanding offer all the time.

That is not what I asked you. How many women (ballpark figure) have you made the offer of a full body massage to?

i don't keep track. but, it is much higher than the ones who accept. i guess they are mostly just lesbians and not real women.

How do you know they are lesbians or that they are not "real women"?

Because real women don't day no to full body massage with happy ending just like real men don't say no to full body massage with happy ending, dear.

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

If a woman does not find you attractive, she will say no to a full body massage with happy ending every day, and twice on Sunday. It is just that simple.

No, I would think he was a dirty whore!

I am. When are you coming to visit?

Ernie!!!

If you want to slap me, you'll have to come here.

 

[danielpalos]

People play the games they want to play.
We don't live in a controlled environment - where we have to play by any given rules, in relationships or otherwise.

Want to play it your way? State your rules up front. People interested and with similar "values" to yours will stick around.

I asked a woman I was having an affair with ; if she wanted to stay in it for the long haul. We were having luch together if I am right. She said yes. I was getting a divorced, as was she. I was done wrong - stabbed in teh back and taken advantage of ; her husband treated her terribly. We found an interest in each other.

The woman i asked to stay with me was funny - smart ; and again, a sharp dresser. We got along terrifically, and we "Clicked".

After me asking her if we was in it together till the end - she started distancing herself from me, calling me on my cell phone less often, and stopped coming by my work place. I would call her, and get voice mail. After three weeks of her distancing herself from me ; I knew it was the end. About 6 weeks after I asked her to go all the way to the end with me - for a permanent relationship ; she basically disappeared.

We met for breakfast one morning, at the Metropolitan Area where I worked EMS - I believe we met on the west or southwest side of town. We were followed , and while eating breakfast we were being watched ( I will call it surveilled )......and why we were being watched - I do not know why. ( NO - I am not a criminal )

Her house - large house concerned me. Her husband had a good job ; but it was not great. Expensive.....to expensive for both of them in my opinion. I don't know their financials - and I might be wrong........but the house they lived in did set bells and whistles off in my head - real loud one afternoon as I set in her kitchen at the counter ( Corner of the counter ?? ) ; her standing between the counter and the stove ( or close to it ) and asking me if was alright / if I was OK.

I did not see where they could afford a large home ( Brick house if I remember correctly ) in a "Very Ritzy" part of the neighborhood. The furnishings was excellent

WOMEN also, pick relationships that go no where. They just want a "companion" for awhile ; or until it gets serious.

Women at times also - are underhanded and have ulterior motives. They can be sneaky and not trustworthy.

I know.......from experience.

Shadow 355

capital is always simpler and we can insure promptness instead of delays and excuses.