Should DC become a state and get 2 Senators and voting rights for residents?

[struth]

Dems in Congress say they are so concerned about disenfranchised citizens living in DC.

However, when you suggest giving DC back to Maryland,just like we did with Virginia…the Dems all of a sudden dont care about the voting rights of DC residents.

You lefties are so utterly full of shit ALL THE TIME.

if they were really concerned they’d just exempt them from federal taxes..then the entire “no taxation without representation” argument is moot

beyond the fact they of course get to vote for the President and VP

 

[M14 Shooter]

the Feds own and operate about a 1/3 of the land in DC.

Given ther map I posted, I dont believe that;s true.
And even it is it, it doesn't change anything

 

[Lesh]

The Founders intend DC to be neutral ground, as the federal seat of Govt,

And it would remain neutral. The populated section would no longer be part of it

 

[Lesh]

More importantly...
How much area does the state department (and remaining federal apparatus) take up of the part of DC that lies outside the map?
The federal infrastructure is not so intertwined with the District that it cannot be separated out.

Sure it can. You just didn't

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sure it can. You just didn't

M'kay. So?

 

[struth]

Given ther map I posted, I dont believe that;s true.
And even it is it, it doesn't change anything

Just did a quick google search.

that’s what it said… i mean other then that leaves about 44 miles to make a state

 

[HappyJoy]

read up on it, In the Federalist Papers

Oh? Why don't you be a big boy and source something that shows the reason D.C. was created was to take away peoples' representation in Congress.

 

[struth]

And it would remain neutral. The populated section would no longer be part of it

simply silly to make a state out of roughyly 45 miles, of all urban area that can’t substane itself.

easier to simply exempt them from federal taxes or give the land back to the state that donated it for the sole purpose of being a federal district

 

[Lesh]

M'kay. So?

So you were wrong. The Federal buildings CAN be separated from the populated sections. Misread your post

 

[ColonelAngus]

if they were really concerned they’d just exempt them from federal taxes..then the entire “no taxation without representation” argument is moot

beyond the fact they of course get to vote for the President and VP

This is a fantastic idea!

No Fed taxes for DC residents!

I fucking love it.

Within a year DC would be as crowded as Manila.

 

[HappyJoy]

simply silly to make a state out of roughyly 45 miles, of all urban area that can’t substane itself.

easier to simply exempt them from federal taxes or give the land back to the state that donated it for the sole purpose of being a federal district

Mississippi can't sustain itself. What are you talking about?

Why would you want to exempt a populace that pays more in federal taxes than other states per capita? Seems like a great idea to put us further into a hole.

 

[struth]

Mississippi can't sustain itself. What are you talking about?

Why would you want to exempt a populace that pays more in federal taxes than other states per capita? Seems like a great idea to put us further into a hole.

sure it can

 

[struth]

So you were wrong. The Federal buildings CAN be separated from the populated sections. Misread your post

The Feds are free to give Georgetown and Anacostria back to MD

 

[candycorn]

Why or why not?

I say NO.

The remaining part of DC should be given BACK to Maryland...and then the residents have voting rights as Marylandins.

Virginia already got their piece back...now give MAryland back their piece.

By the way, the 3 westernmost counties in MAryland are trying to leave Maryland and join WEST VIRGINIA.

MAryland should love this...shed off a bunch of Red votes.

No.

It, PR, Wake, US VI, Guam, etc... are either states or not. They need to either be made states or folded into the current 50 states. The EV total should be reduced to 535.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

More importantly...
How much area does the state department (and remaining federal apparatus) take up of the part of DC that lies outside the map?
The federal infrastructure is not so intertwined with the District that it cannot be separated out.

You obviously have never paid attention if you went there. There are apartment buildings inside the area on your map. Many of the hotels in that area are residences for federal employees.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No.

It, PR, Wake, US VI, Guam, etc... are either states or not. They need to either be made states or folded into the current 50 states. The EV total should be reduced to 535.

Wake Island has no permanent residents.

 

[Pellinore]

No.

U.S. Constitution: Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17:

"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings"

The seat of government is Not A State.

The 23rd Amendment, though, gave DC 3 Electors' worth of voting rights. Then, DC got home rule under Nixon and a non-voting House Rep under Carter. Given that the Constitution was also designed to be changed over time, I'd say that establishes a pretty clear pattern of movement toward its potential statehood.

 

[Pellinore]

no. its a district represented by Virginia

Virginia has no representational involvement with DC at all. You might as well link it to Utah.

 

[Pellinore]

D.C can never become a State. It's absolutely against the Constitution.

Most of D.C. could be ceded back to Maryland, but that's it.

Why doesn't anyone want to discuss Puerto Rican Statehood?

What you're talking about is called retrocession, and it's probably not likely to happen any time soon, if for no other reason than because Maryland doesn't want it. Besides the administrative and budgetary nightmares it would bring, it would also completely redraw the district maps, only to add one additional House Rep. (Plus, some other state would lose that House Rep, and whoever it is would fight this tooth and nail.)

Also, yeah, Maryland is a deep blue state, and they would rather keep pushing for DC statehood and two new D Senators. It's nakedly partisan, but it's politics (plus, we all know the GOP wouldn't do the exact same thing).

 

[HappyJoy]

sure it can

Nope, it's drunk on federal dollars.