Should Israel bomb Iran???

[Rigby5]

Prove it! Where is your proof? GEEZ do you think people believe just because YOU say so??? How stupid!

This is all common knowledge.
You would have to be about 12 years old not to know this already.

 

[BertramN]

Its common knowledge.
Anyone of the right age group was being hit up to join in to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Osama bin Laden was only 22 in 1979, but they recruited him.

{...
About the same time as the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the United States began collaborating with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to provide several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents fighting the Afghan pro-Soviet government and the Soviet Army in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as "Afghan Arabs". The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs.

When the war ended, bin Laden organized the al-Qaeda organization to carry on armed jihad against other countries, primarily against the United States.

A number of commentators have described Al-Qaeda attacks as "blowback" or an unintended consequence of American aid to the mujahideen.
...}

The Taliban was organized to fight the Soviets, and were the "Freedom Fighters" financed and equipped by the Reagan administration.



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[Toddsterpatriot]

It is not true that Moslem Arabs took land by force.
What is true that later, Asian invaders like Mongols, Moghuls, and Turks stole land by force, and then started pretending to be Moslem.

Jordan does not belong in the Palestine land equation because it was populated by Moslem Arabs that never allowed much Jewish immigration.
But what you are admitting is that the mistake the Palestinians made was to allow any Jewish immigration.
You are admitting the Jews lied when they claimed they wanted no part in the governing of Palestine.
That their intent was always to lie to get in, and then take over with illegally smuggled weapons.

The Arabs were right to not accept that 30% of the population that was recent immigrants, should get 60% of the land.
That they would not accept this bad division does not mean they should be forced to accept what is even worse.
That is not the way law is supposed to work.
Force is not supposed to over ride justice.
Anyone who thinks is should, is 2000 years out of date, and should never be allowed to have weapons, much less rule anything.

There was no Israel at all in 650.
The Jews were hardly significant.
And what Jews were left, were later murdered by the Christian Crusaders.

It is not true that Moslem Arabs took land by force.

They bought all the land they occupy outside of Saudi Arabia? LOL!

Jordan does not belong in the Palestine land equation

It wasn't part of the Mandate?

But what you are admitting is that the mistake the Palestinians made was to allow any Jewish immigration.

Allow? Why would the Arab squatters have any say?

That they would not accept this bad division does not mean they should be forced to accept what is even worse.

Like I said, they fucked up.
They continue to fuck up. If they ever do get a state, will it be as large as Lichtenstein?

You are admitting the Jews lied when they claimed they wanted no part in the governing of Palestine.

Which Jews claimed that? When? Why does it matter now?

That their intent was always to lie to get in, and then take over with illegally smuggled weapons.

Boohoo.

The Arabs were right to not accept that 30% of the population that was recent immigrants, should get 60% of the land.

The Arabs didn't own the land. Why would they get a vote on the issue?

That is not the way law is supposed to work.

How'd that UN law banning war work out again?

Force is not supposed to over ride justice.

Hello, McFly.........

Anyone who thinks is should, is 2000 years out of date, and should never be allowed to have weapons, much less rule anything.

You're funny. You should write for SNL.

There was no Israel at all in 650.

And now look at it......kicking all sorts of Arab ass.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nazism, in fact, all forms of fascism hate liberalism.

Not like the commies you guys fellated since 1917, eh comrade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Anyone of the right age group was being hit up to join in to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Why didn't you join?

 

[Rigby5]

It is not true that Moslem Arabs took land by force.

They bought all the land they occupy outside of Saudi Arabia? LOL!

Jordan does not belong in the Palestine land equation

It wasn't part of the Mandate?

But what you are admitting is that the mistake the Palestinians made was to allow any Jewish immigration.

Allow? Why would the Arab squatters have any say?

That they would not accept this bad division does not mean they should be forced to accept what is even worse.

Like I said, they fucked up.
They continue to fuck up. If they ever do get a state, will it be as large as Lichtenstein?

You are admitting the Jews lied when they claimed they wanted no part in the governing of Palestine.

Which Jews claimed that? When? Why does it matter now?

That their intent was always to lie to get in, and then take over with illegally smuggled weapons.

Boohoo.

The Arabs were right to not accept that 30% of the population that was recent immigrants, should get 60% of the land.

The Arabs didn't own the land. Why would they get a vote on the issue?

That is not the way law is supposed to work.

How'd that UN law banning war work out again?

Force is not supposed to over ride justice.

Hello, McFly.........

Anyone who thinks is should, is 2000 years out of date, and should never be allowed to have weapons, much less rule anything.

You're funny. You should write for SNL.

There was no Israel at all in 650.

And now look at it......kicking all sorts of Arab ass.

It is extremely ignorant to imply Arab came from or have any significance to Saudi Arabia.
Like all human cultures, Arab came from Africa, and they traveled by land, through Palestine, to eventually reach Saudi Arabia.
Arabs are known to have inhabited places in Palestine as far back as 8000 BC, and created the oldest cities in the world.
The original and almost always main home of Arabs has always been Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.

And no, Jordan was separated from Trans Jordan, and given its own British Mandate for Jordan. It was never part of the British Mandate for Palestine.
The Arab Palestinians were the only legal natives of Palestine.
They were not squatters, they were the ones who helped the Allies against the Ottoman Empire, and they were represented at the WWI negotiations, such as the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

The Jews in 1920 agree they were to have no part in any governance of Palestine.
This came from the 1920 International Zionist Congress in Carlsbad, as well as Jewish representative who spoke with the British.
And to verify that, you can read the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922, intended to clear up any misunderstandings about the Balfour Declaration intending Jewish independence, when nothing could be further from the truth.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

You claim the Arab did not own Palestine, but then who did?
Obviously the Palestinians and British thought the Palestinians owned the land because the British were able to get the Palestinians to fight the Turks over independence.

The fact Israel can succeed with the use of US weapons is a very foolish thing to count on because the US is not going to keep supporting those Israeli war crimes. So just like Jewish arrogance and pride was the downfall of Jews turning on the Romans, Jews alienating the people of the US who believe in justice, will stop propping up Israel.

 

[Rigby5]

Not like the commies you guys fellated since 1917, eh comrade?

While the Germans sent Lenin into Russia in order to get Russia out of WWI, the US was always strongly anti communist and anti Bolshevik.
So what are you talking about?
The Germans actually got all the communists murdered by Lenin and Stalin, who actually were not communists at all, but state capitalists.

 

[Rigby5]

Why didn't you join?

I did not like the USSR, but it was not my fight.
But the CIA was paying very well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is extremely ignorant to imply Arab came from or have any significance to Saudi Arabia.
Like all human cultures, Arab came from Africa, and they traveled by land, through Palestine, to eventually reach Saudi Arabia.
Arabs are known to have inhabited places in Palestine as far back as 8000 BC, and created the oldest cities in the world.
The original and almost always main home of Arabs has always been Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.

And no, Jordan was separated from Trans Jordan, and given its own British Mandate for Jordan. It was never part of the British Mandate for Palestine.
The Arab Palestinians were the only legal natives of Palestine.
They were not squatters, they were the ones who helped the Allies against the Ottoman Empire, and they were represented at the WWI negotiations, such as the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.

The Jews in 1920 agree they were to have no part in any governance of Palestine.
This came from the 1920 International Zionist Congress in Carlsbad, as well as Jewish representative who spoke with the British.
And to verify that, you can read the Churchill Whitepaper of 1922, intended to clear up any misunderstandings about the Balfour Declaration intending Jewish independence, when nothing could be further from the truth.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

{...
The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}

You claim the Arab did not own Palestine, but then who did?
Obviously the Palestinians and British thought the Palestinians owned the land because the British were able to get the Palestinians to fight the Turks over independence.

The fact Israel can succeed with the use of US weapons is a very foolish thing to count on because the US is not going to keep supporting those Israeli war crimes. So just like Jewish arrogance and pride was the downfall of Jews turning on the Romans, Jews alienating the people of the US who believe in justice, will stop propping up Israel.

It is extremely ignorant to imply Arab came from or have any significance to Saudi Arabia.

If you say so petunia.

Arabs are known to have inhabited places in Palestine as far back as 8000 BC, and created the oldest cities in the world.

And yet, the "Palestinians" called themselves Arabs, the Arabs never called themselves "Palestinians".

The original and almost always main home of Arabs has always been Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.

I'm telling you.....SNL!

And no, Jordan was separated from Trans Jordan, and given its own British Mandate for Jordan. It was never part of the British Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews in 1920 agree they were to have no part in any governance of Palestine.

Which Jews agreed to that? You have a list?

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine.

Thank goodness Israel isn't wholly Jewish, otherwise your whining would never end.

You claim the Arab did not own Palestine, but then who did?

Mostly the Ottomen. Not the Arabs.

Obviously the Palestinians and British thought the Palestinians owned the land

Maybe a couple of percent.

the British were able to get the Palestinians to fight the Turks over independence.

How many of the lazy squatters fought? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

While the Germans sent Lenin into Russia in order to get Russia out of WWI, the US was always strongly anti communist and anti Bolshevik.
So what are you talking about?
The Germans actually got all the communists murdered by Lenin and Stalin, who actually were not communists at all, but state capitalists.

the US was always strongly anti communist and anti Bolshevik.

And yet the Dems loved them some commies. Still do.

Lenin and Stalin, who actually were not communists at all, but state capitalists.

They faked it pretty good. How much of the economy did the commies control?
Was it 100%? LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I did not like the USSR, but it was not my fight.
But the CIA was paying very well.

How much did they offer to pay you to fight in Afghanistan?

 

[Rigby5]

It is extremely ignorant to imply Arab came from or have any significance to Saudi Arabia.

If you say so petunia.

Arabs are known to have inhabited places in Palestine as far back as 8000 BC, and created the oldest cities in the world.

And yet, the "Palestinians" called themselves Arabs, the Arabs never called themselves "Palestinians".

The original and almost always main home of Arabs has always been Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.

I'm telling you.....SNL!

And no, Jordan was separated from Trans Jordan, and given its own British Mandate for Jordan. It was never part of the British Mandate for Palestine.

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The Jews in 1920 agree they were to have no part in any governance of Palestine.

Which Jews agreed to that? You have a list?

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine.

Thank goodness Israel isn't wholly Jewish, otherwise your whining would never end.

You claim the Arab did not own Palestine, but then who did?

Mostly the Ottomen. Not the Arabs.

Obviously the Palestinians and British thought the Palestinians owned the land

Maybe a couple of percent.

the British were able to get the Palestinians to fight the Turks over independence.

How many of the lazy squatters fought? Link?

That is wrong to say Arabs never call themselves Palestinian.
But Palestine is the greater region, and Arabs tend to think of themselves tied to a smaller region.
So it depends on if the Arabs are Canaanites, Chaldeans, Akkadians, Philistines, Phoenicians, Amorites, Edomites, Urites, etc.

And your map is out of date.
Originally Trans Jordan included Jordan and Palestine, but during the negotiations with all the parties, at the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres, Trans Jordan was split into Palestine and Jordan, with different immigration rules.

Again, it was not a list of Jews, but the International Zionist Congress at Carlsbad who agreed to take no part in the government of Palestine.

‎⁨^^^^ j ! Zionist Conference in Carlsbad f 4 * * V ⁩ | ⁨The Reform Advocate⁩ | 9 September 1922 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel

^^^^ j ! Zionist Conference in Carlsbad f 4 * * VCarlsbad , Aug . 28 ( J . T . A . )—The first annual Conference of about 100 Ziontist delegates from many lands since the approval of the Palestine Ma

www.nli.org.il

And obviously Arabs owned all of Palestine.
The Ottoman ruled Palestine but did not own the properties.
Biden rules the US, but that does not give him property ownership.
If the Ottoman tried to claim property ownership, nothing would have been built and the country would have ended up in total disarray.
Never has an invading force claimed property ownership unless the goal was genocide.

Tens of thousands of Arabs fought along with Lawrence of Arabia, and they won.
The Jews did not fight in WWI at all, so are owed nothing.

 

[Rigby5]

How much did they offer to pay you to fight in Afghanistan?

It was not much by today's standards, but $40k a year was pretty good back in 1979.

 

[Rigby5]

the US was always strongly anti communist and anti Bolshevik.

And yet the Dems loved them some commies. Still do.

Lenin and Stalin, who actually were not communists at all, but state capitalists.

They faked it pretty good. How much of the economy did the commies control?
Was it 100%? LOL!

Controlling the economy is exactly what all capitalist want and try to do.
Any monarch, dictator, etc. who control the economy is always a capitalist, because their motive is always profit.

The motive of a communist or socialist is communal sharing instead of pure profit.

 

[healthmyths]

The Taliban was organized to fight the Soviets, and were the "Freedom Fighters" financed and equipped by the Reagan administration.



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FACTS please just your comment and who the hell are you?

 

[healthmyths]

Damn, you are fucking stupid.

Israel holding over $250m it owes Iran for oil in secret ...

Israel holding over $250m it owes Iran for oil in secret account

A secret government bank account holds funds Israel owes Iran for oil it received before the 1979 revolution. Israel refuses to reveal who has been depositing money into and withdrawing money from the account.

www.haaretz.com

Feb 20, 2015 · Israel’s most mysterious bank account has been managed for 30 years in the Bank of Israel. It contains money that Israeli bodies owe to National Iranian Oil Co. for crude oil supplied before the Islamic revolution in January 1979. Palestinian boycott

Thank you for your link! How difficult was that?

 

[healthmyths]

Controlling the economy is exactly what all capitalist want and try to do.
Any monarch, dictator, etc. who control the economy is always a capitalist, because their motive is always profit.

The motive of a communist or socialist is communal sharing instead of pure profit.

Fidel Castro lived a lie to his own people as claims about his wealth start to surface
A prodigious womaniser and food connoisseur who kept some 20 luxurious properties throughout the Caribbean — including a private island he used to visit on his beautiful yacht — Castro was a complete fraud.

The man who spent his life railing against the excesses of capitalism lived like a king — and a very debauched one at that.
The full extent of his hypocrisy and personal excesses emerged only in 2014 when a former longtime bodyguard, Juan Reinaldo Sanchez, wrote a book about Castro’s secret life and estimated he was worth at least £100 million ($168 million).

He revealed in lavish detail that would have appalled struggling Cubans how even a typical day’s spear-fishing for Castro in the crystal-clear waters off his private island was like the ‘royal hunts of Louis XV in the forests around Versailles’.

Inside Castro’s monumental lies

FIDEL Castro the restless revolutionary had no time for pleasure, despising holidays as bourgeois and claiming to live in a fisherman’s hut. His only luxury was the cigars that he continually chomped.

www.news.com.au

Vladimir Putin Net Worth​

As of 2021, Vladimir Putin’s net worth is estimated to be $70 Billion.​

Vladimir Putin Net Worth

Introduction As of , Vladimir Putin’s net worth is estimated to be . Vladimir Putin is the current president of Russia and is in his fourth term in the position. Putin has gained recent national attention due to his controversial relationship with President Trump, and the human rights violations...

wealthygorilla.com

You were saying???

 

[surada]

Thank you for your link! How difficult was that?

You should know by now that I don't lie.

Why don't YOU have the courtesy to ever look something up?

 

[surada]

It is extremely ignorant to imply Arab came from or have any significance to Saudi Arabia.

If you say so petunia.

Arabs are known to have inhabited places in Palestine as far back as 8000 BC, and created the oldest cities in the world.

And yet, the "Palestinians" called themselves Arabs, the Arabs never called themselves "Palestinians".

The original and almost always main home of Arabs has always been Palestine, not Saudi Arabia.

I'm telling you.....SNL!

And no, Jordan was separated from Trans Jordan, and given its own British Mandate for Jordan. It was never part of the British Mandate for Palestine.

View attachment 522533

The Jews in 1920 agree they were to have no part in any governance of Palestine.

Which Jews agreed to that? You have a list?

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine.

Thank goodness Israel isn't wholly Jewish, otherwise your whining would never end.

You claim the Arab did not own Palestine, but then who did?

Mostly the Ottomen. Not the Arabs.

Obviously the Palestinians and British thought the Palestinians owned the land

Maybe a couple of percent.

the British were able to get the Palestinians to fight the Turks over independence.

How many of the lazy squatters fought? Link?

The Akkadians migrated to Mesopotamia, Syria and the Levant from the Arabian Peninsula including Yemen about 8,000 years ago and they had a written language by 3600 BC. Look at their empire.

 

[surada]

The Taliban was organized to fight the Soviets, and were the "Freedom Fighters" financed and equipped by the Reagan administration.
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Nope.. The Taliban were war orphans .. They did NOT fight the Soviets.. They came on the scene in 1994. Soviets were long gone. They organized to fight the lawlessness in Afghanistan after the US pulled out.